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Chicago teachers striking in nation's 3rd largest district

JustHanging said:
Maybe pensions work differently in the USA. Isn't pension money deducted from every paycheck, for their entire careers? Possibly with some sort of matching from the employer as part of the contract?

Thus the money should be in their pension fund, earning enough interest and dividends to pay the pension. So why does anyone have to pay retired teachers?
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What you are describing is a defined contribution pension much like a 401K but what many (most?) teachers have is a defined benefit pension which pays some percentage of one's final (or high three years average) salary plus COLA raises for life.

11 things you need to know about Chicago teacher pensions
 
JustHanging said:
Maybe pensions work differently in the USA. Isn't pension money deducted from every paycheck, for their entire careers? Possibly with some sort of matching from the employer as part of the contract?

Thus the money should be in their pension fund, earning enough interest and dividends to pay the pension. So why does anyone have to pay retired teachers?
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In theory it's paid as they 'earn it' - most of it is paid by the district (which is fine). The problem is that public pensions are notoriously underfunded and over-benefited, so they end up having to make near constant contributions. In many cases, the health insurance and other benefits are also paid directly. So an oversized retired population can definitely have an impact.

As a note.... this actually came up during the auto bail outs. Part of the reason that US automakers have difficulty competing with those overseas is the large amount paid to retirees. They simply had significantly less margin, so they had to charge more (or give less features) for the same type of car.
 
haymarket said:
I lost you because you have no real work practical knowledge of the public school system. Trying to educate you is like a surgeon trying to explain to a fisherman how do to a heart bypass operation.

But in America today, some people arrogant and stupid enough to believe they know more than life long professionals when they are out of the field themselves. Again, it is like a fisherman correcting heart surgeon on the procedure of a heart bypass.
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I lost you because you have no real work practical knowledge of the public school system.
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Wrong

I have been working within the school system for 15 years buddy


I lost you because I was on the forum since 2am

Stew on that(wink)
 
Helix said:
If that isn't fake news, then it's a good argument to nationally prioritize education. However, we need to do that anyway. We can start by better compensating teachers, reducing class sizes, and phasing out the voucher programs that Trumpist fools advocate for.
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If that isn't fake news
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It's not fake news

Calif once upon a time had some of the best education in the world

Is the LA times "Fake news"?


California test scores 2019: Half of students meet English standards, fewer meet math standards - Los Angeles Times
 
buck said:
Yes, my company, one of the biggeSt employers in illinois, is in the process of evacuating the state. I just recently purchased a new car over the border in wisconsin, and the fact that illinois has become a joke, was the topic of a couple and their finance guy.. and us and our finance girl.

Taxes just keep going up to cover these public pensions, and now the teachers union wants to add billing more in costs.

Once my job is gone, I'll be going too.
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Yep, you will join the the "exodus" because you're smart

I quit a good job and gave up a nice house and split Calif

I got out while the getting is good
 
JustHanging said:
Money isn't everything. And it sounds like Haymarket loves being a teacher.

EDIT: LOL, I just saw their last post. But I already knew Haymarket loved the job. You don't get nominated as teacher of the year, or be considered a Master Teacher, without loving the job.
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Money isn't everything. And it sounds like Haymarket loves being a teacher.
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Of coarse he does

Not too many occupations that has more time off and more perks as a teacher
 
Obscurity said:
Nothing you write here is relevant to anything at all, so it should be unsurprising that no one takes your commentary seriously.
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Oh it’s very relevant. You’re having a meltdown because teachers aren’t paid enough. Where do you suggest they find the money to pay them more?

And your rant about state testing...how do you propose teachers are evaluated? They should just be free of any measurable job performance review?


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Obscurity said:
And of course, there it is; the ignorant derision of a sneering elitist mindset.

You completely ignore the reality here. You ignore how much the state mandates. This arbitrary regurgitation of fox news talking points means only one thing - You don't have a counter, at all. You just have sound bytes that aren't relevant.

I've offered solutions. You've offered derision. Dismissed.
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Your solutions don’t include any job performance checks and balances.


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JustHanging said:
That's awesome. More teachers like you and the American public education system would rank a lot higher.

Quick question: I've talked to some American teachers, and both pay and moral seem very low. In your opinion, is that a common problem throughout your public education system?
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Thank you for the kind words.

Yes, morale is very low and it is due to several things including the heavy dependency on standard testing and the rigid curriculum teachers must follow taking away their own freedom to make decisions. There always have been the pay factor and the long hours - most teach put in lots of time other than the 8 AM - 3:30- hours that the kids and pubic see. There is the reality that many teachers spend a good deal out their own pocket on their kids - my guess is this is especially true of elementary teachers.

Proof can be found in many district poor teacher retention rates and gimmicks like Teach for America that are pretty much stop gap measures are mostly are failing.

If I were 22 and starting over again I would not go into teaching - and that comes from a person who absolutely loved their job and the kids.
 
Groogrux said:
Oh it’s very relevant. You’re having a meltdown because teachers aren’t paid enough. Where do you suggest they find the money to pay them more?

And your rant about state testing...how do you propose teachers are evaluated? They should just be free of any measurable job performance review?


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I can walk into a classroom and within minutes tell you if the teacher is doing a good job and I sure don't need test results to make that judgement.

As for money, where does all government money come from - taxes of course. Let us not be ashamed nor shy about that. Of course taxpayers must pay more. There never was any doubt about the necessity for that to happen.
 
Luther said:
Of coarse he does

Not too many occupations that has more time off and more perks as a teacher
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Teachers normally put in their eight hours a day in the classroom and building - many put in more than that. In addition, many work extra time at home and you are not paid additionally for that. Nobody pays you for extra classes you have to take to keep your certification or costs associated with those.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for the kind words.

Yes, morale is very low and it is due to several things including the heavy dependency on standard testing and the rigid curriculum teachers must follow taking away their own freedom to make decisions. There always have been the pay factor and the long hours - most teach put in lots of time other than the 8 AM - 3:30- hours that the kids and pubic see. There is the reality that many teachers spend a good deal out their own pocket on their kids - my guess is this is especially true of elementary teachers.

Proof can be found in many district poor teacher retention rates and gimmicks like Teach for America that are pretty much stop gap measures are mostly are failing.

If I were 22 and starting over again I would not go into teaching - and that comes from a person who absolutely loved their job and the kids.
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Yes, morale is very low
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Oh yes...

But there seems to be a never ending supply of new teachers(wink)

I wonder why?
 
haymarket said:
Teachers normally put in their eight hours a day in the classroom and building - many put in more than that. In addition, many work extra time at home and you are not paid additionally for that. Nobody pays you for extra classes you have to take to keep your certification or costs associated with those.
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So?

Teachers normally put in their eight hours a day
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I see many skating out after only 7.5hr


. In addition, many work extra time at home and you are not paid additionally for that.
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So what? Do you think that is unusual?

Realtors, Architects , and many other occupation work at home as well

What's unusual is all the time you have off

Yeppers


Nobody pays you for extra classes you have to take to keep your certification or costs associated with those
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I'm seeing a lot f reimbursement stuff floating around including college debt pay off

Yep
 
Groogrux said:
Oh it’s very relevant. You’re having a meltdown because teachers aren’t paid enough. Where do you suggest they find the money to pay them more?

And your rant about state testing...how do you propose teachers are evaluated? They should just be free of any measurable job performance review?


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Yawn. Misrepresentation. We know offering high pay attracts top talent. You guys want to offer minimum wage and then use that to justify ending public education. Your opinion is nonsense.
 
Groogrux said:
Your solutions don’t include any job performance checks and balances.


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Yes, they do.

Grades. That thing we used to use to measure success.

Amazing, ain't it?
 
As far as Chicago public schools go it makes no sense to teach them after 3rd grade.By the time they get to 12th grade they still can't read and write.
 
Helix said:
you are entitled to live in a false reality bubble.
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(cough)

So you ignore the super majority Democrat grip and low education ranking in Calif?

You ignore that over all, we're 17th best in education compared to the would?


Now who is really living in that unreality bubble?
 
Luther said:
(cough)

So you ignore the super majority Democrat grip and low education ranking in Calif?

You ignore that over all, we're 17th best in education compared to the would?


Now who is really living in that unreality bubble?
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already addressed. in the spirit of this education thread, perhaps you should learn to read for comprehension.
 
Helix said:
already addressed. in the spirit of this education thread, perhaps you should learn to read for comprehension.
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Me read?

How about you?



So you ignore the super majority Democrat grip and low education ranking in Calif?

You ignore that over all, we're 17th best in education compared to the would?


Now who is really living in that unreality bubble?
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