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Chicago teachers striking in nation's 3rd largest district

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Yes, more money, smaller class sizes and less instructional time will help improve our at best, 17th in the world education ranking(thumbs up)


CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago parents and community groups are scrambling to prepare for a massive teachers' strike set to begin Thursday, prompting the city to preemptively cancel classes in the nation's third-largest school district.

The Chicago Teachers Union confirmed Wednesday night that its 25,000 members would not return to their classrooms Thursday after months of negotiation between the union and Chicago Public Schools failed to resolve disputes over pay and benefits, class size and teacher preparation time
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Chicago teachers striking in nation's 3rd largest district - AOL News
 
remember when overpaid teachers, cops, and firefighters collapsed the economy?

neither do i.
 
Helix said:
remember when overpaid teachers, cops, and firefighters collapsed the economy?

neither do i.
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Nationally, not when you have the top 10% paying 60% of the Fed and state income tax

Locally, the jury is still out for the exodus of the "doers" is still happening out of these areas
 
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Boy, shortening instructional time by 30 min is a tough sell wouldn't you say?

Remember, It's all for the children(cough)


"The union is still demanding to shorten instructional time by 30 minutes in the morning," she said. "We won't do that. We will not cheat our children out of instructional time."
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My colleagues wife is a CPS teacher. This is the meat and potatoes of what’s happening here
Although the main focus of this strike may not be salary and raises, I found out that what the Board wants is to have NO raises EVER AGAIN after 14 years of teaching. This is why my wife has had no raise for the past two years. And perhaps never again as long as she works. That's not fair. The Board actually said that they would prefer if teachers turned over every 5 years, that they would be OK with beginning teachers throughout forever. That's not fair to the children. A teacher on television last night said that in her school, 4 teachers share 1 Chromebook, no other computers. No reading books, no math books. Samantha has never had a science book or social studies book for her class. They have to cobble together their own curriculum for those subjects from whatever source, always ensuring they match up with these hyper-specific multi-tiered standards from Common Core. That's not fair. Most teachers work from worksheets that they have to copy themselves and pay for themselves at Kinko's because the old copy machine, the only one, doesn't work or there's no toner or there's no paper. I'm only describing what's happening at Samantha's school, these things and worse are going on all over the South and West sides.

And not only that, but this contract the Board is trying to push medical concerns onto the teachers too. At Sam's school there are several Type 1 Diabetic children who need injections throughout the day and their food monitored and measured. The Board would have the teacher responsible for that, in addition to all of the other tasks they have to contend with. That's not fair or right.

These are only a couple of issues still lingering in these negotiations that the Board only took up a few weeks ago, they did not negotiate hardly at all over the summer even though CTU was asking them to and was ready to do so.

Every Chicagoan regardless of where you are in the city or your personal situation should stand behind these professionals, these people, most of whom have Master's degrees and continually have to prove through Professional Development units and a terribly long and complex recertification and licensing process, more onerous than many other professions, deserve respect. The children deserve the basic resources, not extravagant, but f'ing BOOKS.

These teachers aren't in it for the money, they care, they care and they cry and they struggle and they endure hardship because they care about these children nobody else will. Support them please in this cause, they need and deserve it.

#SupportChicagoTeachers
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Also let's not forget that Chicago Public School teachers don't get Social Security. They gave that up along with other financial considerations along the way in exchange for the pension that is threatened and that people somehow think they're being greedy about....
#KnowYourTeachers
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This strike isn't about salary, it's about the fact that Sam's school has a nurse 1 day per week. It's about the fact that she has never worked in a Chicago Public School that has a library. That these children, so many of whom have witnessed or been personally affected by gun violence and have other traumatic situations in their daily lives, have no counselors or social workers to help them. It's about 40 kids in a Kindergarten class. It's about providing the children of Chicago the services they need, it's not about the teachers wanting something for themselves.
#SupportChicagoTeachers
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Luther said:
Nationally, not when you have the top 10% paying 60% of the Fed and state income tax

Locally, the jury is still out for the exodus of the "doers" is still happening out of these areas
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Yes, let's worship the affluent and beg for crumbs at their feet.

The right wing argument about the rich paying taxes is both a fraud, and an argument I personally don't care about. If you expect me to have empathy for people who are made rich by poor people who then keep all their income and pay nothing in taxes while being enriched by those poor people, and then those poor people don't have services for healthcare and other necessities, I will let you down.

I don't ****ing care about the rich. They're rich and they're fine. They need nothing. End of story.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Holding the kids hostage.

That's evil.
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What's evil is right winger demonizing educators. You guys are downright wrong on education and educators in general. What's evil is expecting slave labor.

I thought you guys were voting with the party of Lincoln.
 
Obscurity said:
What's evil is right winger demonizing educators. You guys are downright wrong on education and educators in general. What's evil is expecting slave labor.

I thought you guys were voting with the party of Lincoln.
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What are they paid?

With other markets dropping pay, why are they special?

Education has been on the dive ever since the formation of the Department of Education.

Starting pay is around $56k annual. Almost double that with time and more credentials.

Why should we feel sorry?
 
Luther said:
Nationally, not when you have the top 10% paying 60% of the Fed and state income tax

Locally, the jury is still out for the exodus of the "doers" is still happening out of these areas
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My family has worked in education for my entire life. I trust their take on it more than I care about the opinion of random internet guy.
 
Lord of Planar said:
What are they paid?

With other markets dropping pay, why are they special?

Education has been on the dive ever since the formation of the Department of Education.

Starting pay is around $56k annual. Almost double that with time and more credentials.

Why should we feel sorry?
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Education has been on the dive since we began teaching for "state tests," and you know it. It has little to do with educators. I am married to one. She knows how to educate students but is held to task by arbitrary, outdated, and often completely contrived methods of education to appease state bureaucrats who are often far removed from the actual education process.

Of course, none of this, at all, even comes close to a talking point any of YOU lot use; you instead demand teachers do the impossible; educate in the traditional sense, and, somehow, also ensure the state tests are passed (even when the state tests have nothing to do with multiple topics being taught.)

In addition, I find your stiff lipped, sneering assault on their pay to be hilarious. To attract the best you must pay well, but you already knew that. Instead, to you "conservatives," people I tend to refer to as forced birth anti-education demagogues in general, you think paying them "less" will help.

Sheer lunacy.

You're completely misinformed, malinformed about this topic and it shows. You spare no harsh words for educators but ignore state testing, bueareacrats in state and local legislatures who demand unreasonable teach-them-to-the-test-but-also-raise-them-and-educate-them-in-the-traditinal-sense compliance. Do you understand, at all, why a teacher WANTS smaller class sizes?

SO YOUR KIDS GET MORE ONE ON ONE INSTRUCTIONAL TIME.

Because to folks like you, education is like a conveyor belt and kids are like widgets on a screen, each learns precisely the same at the same rate.

You're in over your head and you don't have the standing to level -any- charges at educators in general here.

Go back to debating Mises and his hideous policies, but in this realm, you are outmatched.
 
Obscurity said:
Education has been on the dive since we began teaching for "state tests," and you know it. It has little to do with educators. I am married to one. She knows how to educate students but is held to task by arbitrary, outdated, and often completely contrived methods of education to appease state bureaucrats who are often far removed from the actual education process.
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Yes, and it's the power of the Department of Education doing one-size-fits-all solutions.

Are you saying teachers are underpaid more than other professions are underpaid?

We are all hurting. It's this damn free trade agreements president Clinton signed. It's destroying America. Almost all professions are working harder for less.

I get the complaints, but holding kids hostage... That's where I draw the line!
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, and it's the power of the Department of Education doing one-size-fits-all solutions.

Are you saying teachers are underpaid more than other professions are underpaid?

We are all hurting. It's this damn free trade agreements president Clinton signed. It's destroying America. Almost all professions are working harder for less.

I get the complaints, but holding kids hostage... That's where I draw the line!
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Half reply that sort of agrees and doesn't. Yes, I am saying overall educators are underpaid; but I also support merit pay, with a REMOVAL outright of state testing, becauser it treats kids like they are on a conveyor belt. It's absurd and grotesque.

Yes, almost all professions are working more for less and yes, it's trade agreements, hence why I support Bernie Sanders.

The kids aren't being held hostage. The administration is. The government is. The parents are being told no school until the educators get a fair shake; and they haven't, for DECADES.
 
Obscurity said:
Half reply that sort of agrees and doesn't. Yes, I am saying overall educators are underpaid; but I also support merit pay, with a REMOVAL outright of state testing, becauser it treats kids like they are on a conveyor belt. It's absurd and grotesque.

Yes, almost all professions are working more for less and yes, it's trade agreements, hence why I support Bernie Sanders.

The kids aren't being held hostage. The administration is. The government is. The parents are being told no school until the educators get a fair shake; and they haven't, for DECADES.
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No school...

Messing up plans of daycare id needed.

Messing up planned June vacations when the schools go longer because they start late.

No thought, or consideration for others.

I'm sorry. I cannot support such actions amounting to evil.
 
Lord of Planar said:
No school...

Messing up plans of daycare id needed.

Messing up planned June vacations when the schools go longer because they start late.

No thought, or consideration for others.

I'm sorry. I cannot support such actions amounting to evil.
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And yet, teachers have -no other recourse-. They already sacrifice so much of themselves for your kids and you spit right in their ****ing faces.

Shameful and a disgrace.
 
HenryChinaski said:
My colleagues wife is a CPS teacher. This is the meat and potatoes of what’s happening here
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Pension? That's a time bomb ready to explode.

Why not use 401K's like the rest of the United States?

The offer rejected included about a 3% raise every year for 5 years according to NBC.
 
Obscurity said:
Yes, let's worship the affluent and beg for crumbs at their feet.

The right wing argument about the rich paying taxes is both a fraud, and an argument I personally don't care about. If you expect me to have empathy for people who are made rich by poor people who then keep all their income and pay nothing in taxes while being enriched by those poor people, and then those poor people don't have services for healthcare and other necessities, I will let you down.

I don't ****ing care about the rich. They're rich and they're fine. They need nothing. End of story.
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What is the system or method by which poor people make rich people rich?
 
Obscurity said:
What's evil is right winger demonizing educators. You guys are downright wrong on education and educators in general. What's evil is expecting slave labor.

I thought you guys were voting with the party of Lincoln.
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The simple truth is that the teachers in our public schools prepare their students to draw wages that, on average, are about half of what teachers are paid.
 
Helix said:
My family has worked in education for my entire life. I trust their take on it more than I care about the opinion of random internet guy.
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Couldn't possibly be any bias in their views.
 
code1211 said:
What is the system or method by which poor people make rich people rich?
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Buying their products. That's the system. In alot of cases, subsidizing their little projects like real estate development and whatnot.
 
code1211 said:
Couldn't possibly be any bias in their views.
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Nor in yours, right? More trash talking points incoming that have already been address, right? Bring them on. You'll learn too. You're over your head in this.
 
code1211 said:
Couldn't possibly be any bias in their views.
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Like I said, I value their experienced opinions more than those of right wing teacher haters on the internet.
 
code1211 said:
Pension? That's a time bomb ready to explode.

Why not use 401K's like the rest of the United States?

The offer rejected included about a 3% raise every year for 5 years according to NBC.
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401k simply enrich investment bankers and are entirely too fickle, based strictly on the whims, in our current case, of the twitter mindset of our POTUS.

The stock market is a gigantic gambling scheme that has made addicts out of too many conservatives.
 
Obscurity said:
Education has been on the dive since we began teaching for "state tests," and you know it. It has little to do with educators. I am married to one. She knows how to educate students but is held to task by arbitrary, outdated, and often completely contrived methods of education to appease state bureaucrats who are often far removed from the actual education process.

Of course, none of this, at all, even comes close to a talking point any of YOU lot use; you instead demand teachers do the impossible; educate in the traditional sense, and, somehow, also ensure the state tests are passed (even when the state tests have nothing to do with multiple topics being taught.)

In addition, I find your stiff lipped, sneering assault on their pay to be hilarious. To attract the best you must pay well, but you already knew that. Instead, to you "conservatives," people I tend to refer to as forced birth anti-education demagogues in general, you think paying them "less" will help.

Sheer lunacy.

You're completely misinformed, malinformed about this topic and it shows. You spare no harsh words for educators but ignore state testing, bueareacrats in state and local legislatures who demand unreasonable teach-them-to-the-test-but-also-raise-them-and-educate-them-in-the-traditinal-sense compliance. Do you understand, at all, why a teacher WANTS smaller class sizes?

SO YOUR KIDS GET MORE ONE ON ONE INSTRUCTIONAL TIME.

Because to folks like you, education is like a conveyor belt and kids are like widgets on a screen, each learns precisely the same at the same rate.

You're in over your head and you don't have the standing to level -any- charges at educators in general here.

Go back to debating Mises and his hideous policies, but in this realm, you are outmatched.
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With respect, our educators have created the system, created the plan, created the curriculum and are executing the system they have constructed.

The outcomes are falling measured against the rest of the world since 1970.

If the system, plan and execution do not produce a superior outcome, who do you suggest be blamed if not the creators of the system, plan and execution?

Who else could possibly be responsible?
 
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