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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Yes, more assumption and more allegation. Not like that's really far out of line for most of you to do. But seeing as this isn't actually going to happen, I think the lot of you are going to have to find something new to cry about.
    I didn't assume anything. Trump directed state business to his own pocket. After even Republicans couldn't defend in your face self dealing like that, he was forced to reverse course, but it's because that kind of thing cannot be normalized. The founders recognized the potential for corruption and banned it from domestic and foreign sources. If you think it's OK, do you think we should strike those provisions from the Constitution because the founders got it all wrong?

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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't assume anything. Trump directed state business to his own pocket. After even Republicans couldn't defend in your face self dealing like that, he was forced to reverse course, but it's because that kind of thing cannot be normalized. The founders recognized the potential for corruption and banned it from domestic and foreign sources. If you think it's OK, do you think we should strike those provisions from the Constitution because the founders got it all wrong?
    I think it's okay when the correct provisions are followed, not when it's illegal. But people continually bitching about something that isn't even going to happen now, just seems like a waste of breath to me.
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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Actually, if the democrat followed proper state filings and the necessary laws. I'd be fine with that as well.

    You may be fine with corruption so long as the person performing, isn't Trump. But I would at least like everyone to look at all of this logically.

    The fact that this isn't even going to happen now, not withstanding.
    Of course you'd say that because you defended Trump doing it, but it makes no rational sense. The state cannot be objective when one of the bidders is the head of that state. It puts competitors at an impossible disadvantage. Taxpayers are not represented when the government is negotiating contracts with the head of government - it would be employees of Trump on one side of that table negotiating contracts with....Trump on the other side. It's an invitation for fraud, corruption, self dealing.

    Under the Barr theory, Trump IS the executive branch. So under that theory, Trump is literally giving Trump the contract. Trump is negotiating with Trump on the terms. If something goes wrong, Trump is holding Trump accountable for those failures. You cannot make a rational case why that's an acceptable outcome.
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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Of course you'd say that because you defended Trump doing it, but it makes no rational sense. The state cannot be objective when one of the bidders is the head of that state. It puts competitors at an impossible disadvantage. Taxpayers are not represented when the government is negotiating contracts with the head of government - it would be employees of Trump on one side of that table negotiating contracts with....Trump on the other side. It's an invitation for fraud, corruption, self dealing.

    Under the Barr theory, Trump IS the executive branch. So under that theory, Trump is literally giving Trump the contract. Trump is negotiating with Trump on the terms. If something goes wrong, Trump is holding Trump accountable for those failures. You cannot make a rational case why that's an acceptable outcome.
    No, you can make a rational case for such. Seeing as Trump removed himself from that position so long as he's president and there is no issue with him even suggesting, nor following through with the idea. So long as the rules for such business are followed to the letter.

    I'm just not looking for any small thing to be upset about.
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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't assume anything. Trump directed state business to his own pocket. After even Republicans couldn't defend in your face self dealing like that, he was forced to reverse course, but it's because that kind of thing cannot be normalized. The founders recognized the potential for corruption and banned it from domestic and foreign sources. If you think it's OK, do you think we should strike those provisions from the Constitution because the founders got it all wrong?
    That's the biggest joke of the thread. You assume criminal intent.

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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Just like you'd come to the aid of Epstein's holdings, sure. We can both play this silly game.

    But I'd like to point out that I've given those on the left more than enough chances to actually make their case on multiple matters concerning Trump. Only to suffer one attack after the other.

    It's this kind of nonsense that makes having any reasonable debate on here, rather challenging and it's the same kind of happening that has normal voters just tuning out of the discussion entirely.


    Because this is what you are known for?


    What does Epstein have to do with the tea in China?
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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    I think it's okay when the correct provisions are followed, not when it's illegal. But people continually bitching about something that isn't even going to happen now, just seems like a waste of breath to me.
    Get SERVPRO! “Like it never even happened.”

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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    But seeing as this isn't actually going to happen, I think the lot of you are going to have to find something new to cry about.
    The reason it is not going to happen is because everyone "cried" about it. The media made a fuss, Congress threatened to block funding, impeachment was mentioned again, corruption more than a few times and the president was forced to back down and put the nation's interests ahead of his own personal profit. The checks and balances did their job.

    That he tried to fleece the public in the first place still remains a huge problem. What a grifter, what a crook.
    NRAMAGASHFT: When I "excuse" you it only means that I can no longer carry water for the president and you have defeated me with reason and logic. My blithe attempts at personal attacks and undermining forum civility guidelines have also failed and my only recourse is to tuck tail and run.

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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Because this is what you are known for?


    What does Epstein have to do with the tea in China?
    Yes, when I'm not dealing with the likes of you and the continuous nonsense that the lot of you continuously spew.

    Epstein has nothing to do with it. But seeing as you game me free reign to play by your own rules, I did it nonetheless.
    Why do they run?
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    But even a cornered rat, with no choice, will fight.
    Yes my son, and that should tell you more than you need to know about the coward.

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    Re: Trump to host G7 at his own Florida resort property

    Quote Originally Posted by Rexedgar View Post
    Get SERVPRO! “Like it never even happened.”

    Really, this is all you have?
    Why do they run?
    Because they have no choice son, such is the way of cowards.
    But even a cornered rat, with no choice, will fight.
    Yes my son, and that should tell you more than you need to know about the coward.

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