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Trump: "Kurds Not Angels... PKK Worse Than ISIS"

Lord Tammerlain said:
What I like is the flip flop of people on how they view kurds (namely Trump supporters
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Seriously. The conservatives used Hussein's attack on the Kurds as part of the reason to invade Iraq... over 15 years later. And now they are perfectly fine with Dear Leader throwing them to the wolves. Frikkin' lemmings.
 
OldFatGuy said:
And oil in the autonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq.
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He also implied that the Kurds are a bunch of commies anyway.
We heard that old script back in 1953.

Seems I remember Mohammed Mossadegh suggesting that all that oil in the ground belonged to the Iranian people.
BLAMMO!!! Suddenly he is branded a communist and he must go, democratically elected notwithstanding, because just as sure as ****, the moment any oil nation suggests that there is a public share in their treasure, they are immediately branded communists and they are now fair game.

Yes, Mossadegh NATIONALIZED the oil because the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now known as BP) insisted on ripping them off for the oil they were taking. Mossadegh wanted a better deal and wanted renegotiations. Anglo-Persian told him to go pound sand, he nationalized the oil and Anglo-Persian came crying to MI-5 and CIA, ergo root out the commie and overthrow the government.

Well, this time we're giving the shaft to the Kurdish people because it is more expedient to give Putin the upper hand in the negotiations.
We just gave him control over most of the Middle East.

This is potentially a bigger blunder than Iran 1953.
 
apdst said:
What if you're wrong? It isn't your life on the line. Right?
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Then there would have been a bunch of dead Turks.
 
apdst said:
He stopped our troops from being used as human shields and handle thing with diplomacy. How is that irresponsible?



Ask your mother country about that. It was the Brits that ****ed the Kurds, post WW1.
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That's pretty insulting to the special forces that were there. I thought you guys supported the troops....
 
Geoist said:
You are the one who is wrong. No way in hell would Erdogan been dumb enough to attack our troops. But hey, in Trumpworld I guess you guess would believe anything.
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Guys* not guess.
 
Geoist said:
Ceasefire = Give Turkey what it wants.
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Trump is merely confused. He knew he was supposed to pardon a turkey. He just misunderstood which one.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
This is potentially a bigger blunder than Iran 1953.
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This is a different set of dynamics. The specter of communism is a canard, but the issue of Turkey's survival in their own eyes is at stake. The Ottoman's displaced the Kurds in the mideast from their prominence as the janissaries of islam. The Kurds have not forgotten, and they will use any and all resources from wherever to battle the Persians an age old foe, Turks and anyone else. If you stop looking at the mideast through American eyes, you might gain a clearer perspective.
 
OldFatGuy said:
This is a different set of dynamics. The specter of communism is a canard, but the issue of Turkey's survival in their own eyes is at stake. The Ottoman's displaced the Kurds in the mideast from their prominence as the janissaries of islam. The Kurds have not forgotten, and they will use any and all resources from wherever to battle the Persians an age old foe, Turks and anyone else. If you stop looking at the mideast through American eyes, you might gain a clearer perspective.
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I wasn't arguing that the dynamics were carbon copy clones, and yes...I am indeed arguing it from an American perspective, as well I should because I live here, not there. And although I am always open to learning more, in the end what matters most to an American is where my motivatio lies. And I am well aware of the history of the region, so thank you for the lesson but in the end, why we were even allied with the Kurds has mostly to do with the energy politics of the region, and that is because that is what motivates Putin as well.

And the history of the region hasn't got much to do with the reason why Trump is suddenly dragging out that old canard.
Hey, it worked when he was a little kid growing up, why not try it now.
So while that old canard gets the Trump supporters stateside out of the way, it also cleared the way for handing it all over to Erdogan and Putin.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
why we were even allied with the Kurds has mostly to do with the energy politics of the region, and that is because that is what motivates Putin as well.
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You forget, being an American, Russia and Turkey share a border, having been at war on countless occasions throughout history. It is not merely about energy. Syria has no oil. The Kurds, with their desire for a Kurdish nation, are a threat to Turkey's existence. Should they succeed, they present an example for Turkey's 40 other separatist ethnic groups. Terrorism becomes secondary, a symptom of the illness. This is not part of the American perspective.
 
OldFatGuy said:
You forget, being an American, Russia and Turkey share a border, having been at war on countless occasions throughout history. It is not merely about energy. Syria has no oil. The Kurds, with their desire for a Kurdish nation, are a threat to Turkey's existence. Should they succeed, they present an example for Turkey's 40 other separatist ethnic groups. Terrorism becomes secondary, a symptom of the illness. This is not part of the American perspective.
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Good, then you also understand why this plays directly into Putin's hands.
You just explained it perfectly.
Turkey and Russia have indeed been at war on countless occasions.
After this, it is now clear that Russia will be in the driver's seat from now on in that region.

Don't forget, all that history notwithstanding, the Kurdish section of Syria does have oil, just like the Kurdish partition of Iraq.
Also, don't forget that today, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.
It is Nigeria with snow. It simply must have control over the region or else.

The President of the United States just handed over control of the region to Putin.
It's his birthday present to him.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Good, then you also understand why this plays directly into Putin's hands.
You just explained it perfectly.
Turkey and Russia have indeed been at war on countless occasions.
After this, it is now clear that Russia will be in the driver's seat from now on in that region.

Don't forget, all that history notwithstanding, the Kurdish section of Syria does have oil, just like the Kurdish partition of Iraq.
Also, don't forget that today, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.
It is Nigeria with snow. It simply must have control over the region or else.

The President of the United States just handed over control of the region to Putin.
It's his birthday present to him.
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I don't care if it plays into Russia's hands. It is not our problem.

The Kurdish autonomous region of Iraq has oil, not the Syrian region where the Kurds are active. There is no oil in Syria.

On the other hand, the Israeli offshore oil and gas reserves are believed to be greater than originally found on the Saudi Peninsula. The Israelis just started tapping the gas this year, next year the oil, and the entire energy dynamic of the mideast changes. Syria, too busy with domestic problems, hopes the offshore shelf extends into their waters but has had no ability to explore. There is no question the oil shelf extends into Lebanese waters. Syria has claimed Lebanon is part of Syria for centuries. But that won't happen. And Lebanon with a weak central government has found itself also unable to take advantage of the find, with no private companies willing to step in because of Hezbollah and its match point.

You underestimate Russia. Oil is a very small part of Russia's untapped natural resources wealth. And Putin, just like our own president, is only a figure head with limited powers. He too, shall pass and will be replaced by another tsar.
 
SheWolf said:
Do you think America should stand by and watch ethnic cleaning because the victims might be commies?
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What if they were fascists? Would you still side with them?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
What I like is the flip flop of people on how they view kurds (namely Trump supporters

I am sure that I could go back and the majority of people who are know calling the Kurds terrorists etc, 2 years ago were strong supporters of them. Now they are the devil and communists.

Some people flip faster than a cook at IHOP
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What I like is how Liberals are suddenly supporting military intervention and nation building.
 
Geoist said:
You are the one who is wrong. No way in hell would Erdogan been dumb enough to attack our troops. But hey, in Trumpworld I guess you guess would believe anything.
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You hope. But, hope isn't a strategy.
 
apdst said:
You hope. But, hope isn't a strategy.
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You HOPE that ISIS doesn't return and you HOPE that we aren't creating more terrorists. See how that works con? Your hypocritical hope is there all the time for Donny Bonespurs actions. Sad that you don't see the hypocrisy in your own posts con. Now go sit your ass back down instead of mouthing off **** you know nothing about.
 
Praxas said:
You HOPE that ISIS doesn't return and you HOPE that we aren't creating more terrorists. See how that works con? Your hypocritical hope is there all the time for Donny Bonespurs actions. Sad that you don't see the hypocrisy in your own posts con. Now go sit your ass back down instead of mouthing off **** you know nothing about.
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We don't create terrorists. Just like guns don't turn people into murderers.

If the Kurds launch a terrorist attack against us, then that'll prove we should have never tried to help them, to begin with.
 
apdst said:
We don't create terrorists. Just like guns don't turn people into murderers.

If the Kurds launch a terrorist attack against us, then that'll prove we should have never tried to help them, to begin with.
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Right because leaving them behind to get slaughtered won’t change their minds about the US. Folks like you are why we had 9/11. Trump and trump supporters are not Americans and they are the enemy of the US and can all burn in hell for their actions.
 
Uh, the Brits called our founders terrorists.
 
Praxas said:
Right because leaving them behind to get slaughtered won’t change their minds about the US. Folks like you are why we had 9/11. Trump and trump supporters are not Americans and they are the enemy of the US and can all burn in hell for their actions.
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Spare us the "it's America's fault" bull****. The Kurds haven't been slaughtered and you wren't whining when Obama cut-n-run from Iraq leaving millions to be slaughtered. The faux outrage you all are exhibiting is stupid
 
Geoist said:
“But the Kurds know how to fight,” Trump continued. “And, as I said, they’re not angels. They’re not angels, if you take a look … The PKK, which is a part of the Kurds … is probably worse at terror, more of a terrorist threat in many ways, than ISIS.”

Trump: Kurds Are ‘Not Angels’ – They’re Worse ‘Than ISIS’

I know the Trumpcult will find a way to defend this latest moronic statement from Dear Leader...
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It seems not to matter to you whether the statement is true. sarcasm.png
 
apdst said:
What if they were fascists? Would you still side with them?
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I noticed you didn’t answer the question.

Do you think it’s appropriate for people to be killed or cleaned because you don’t like their political philosophy?
 
apdst said:
We don't create terrorists. Just like guns don't turn people into murderers.

If the Kurds launch a terrorist attack against us, then that'll prove we should have never tried to help them, to begin with.
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I don’t think the poster was talking about Kurds attacking the US. America’s actions have led to thousands of Isis prisoners being released. The resurgence of Isis is a real threat, and that includes Isis terror attacks
 
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