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Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%.

VanceMack said:
Which means at least 80% of those should be purged.

You folk sure do seem desperate to ensure there is an environment ripe for fraud.
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The problem is you cannot show any "fraud" from not purging voter rolls.

It's OK apparently to illegally disenfranchise 40,000 eligible, registered voters through deliberate incompetence, but by all means let's spend all our time worrying about the half dozen cases of "voter" fraud in a typical state per year!
 
JasperL said:
What was partisan about my post?

The problem is you can't identity ANY actual problem with not doing regular voter purges. You cannot show any "voter" fraud attributable to having outdated lists that rises above the trivial.

On the other hand, we have a story in the OP of the HUGE problem of doing massive voter purges, which is they are often riddled with errors, and in this case to "solve" the problem you can't document, the GOP were going to illegally and wrongly remove 40,000 from the voting rolls.

So you tell me where we should spend our time worrying? On the nearly non-existent problem of voter fraud at the polls, or on voter purges that we all know are intended to drive down the voting population for partisan advantage, by the 10s of thousands?
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No you are being illiterate, I literally asked, is there a legit purpose in NOT doing them....if so, what was it, if not, how can errors like this be prevented.

You then want on this partisan diatribe about how the evil right side wants to ruin the elections and stay in power and how the left is going to save the universe or some BS like that....

Re-read my FIRST post in this thread.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From The New York Times

Ohio Was Set to Purge 235,000 Voters. It Was Wrong About 20%.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio — The clock was ticking for Jen Miller.
The state of Ohio had released names of 235,000 voters it planned to purge from voter rolls in September.

Ms. Miller, director of the League of Women Voters of Ohio, believed thousands of voters were about to be wrongly removed.

Over the summer, the Ohio secretary of state had sent her organization and others like it amassive spreadsheet with the 235,000 names and addresses that would be purged from the state’s voter rolls in just a month — a list of people that, state officials said, some part of the bureaucracy flagged as deceased, living somewhere else or as a duplicate. The League of Women Voters had been asked to see if any of those purged qualified to register again.

She went online and discovered that her name had also been flagged as an inactive voter. The state was in the process of removing her from its voter rolls.

“I voted three times last year,” said Ms. Miller. “I don’t think we have any idea how many other individuals this has happened to.”

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And the people that the state didn't send a personal notice to (like Ms. Miller [who only found out about it because she was a director of the League of Women Voters of Ohio and not because the state sent her any personal notice]) would know that their names had been in danger of being "purged" - found out about it - how?

PS - Don't you find it interesting that almost 10% of the names to be "culled" by a Republican administration came from one heavily "Democrat" district?
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That's the only way the Right wins---By cheating.
 
sjmay said:
No you are being illiterate, I literally asked, is there a legit purpose in NOT doing them....if so, what was it, if not, how can errors like this be prevented.
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Yes, there is a legitimate reason NOT to do voter purges, because they are OFTEN riddled with errors like here. I explained that. The most famous was in the Florida 2000 election where FL used a felon list with lots of false matches to purge voters. I also explained that you cannot point to any 'fraud' that results from not doing frequent voter purges. So if there is no fraud evident from not purging, and the fact that the purges are so often full of errors, that seems like a good reason NOT to do them.

And "errors" like this can be prevented when those doing the purging, which lately has been the GOP, actually give a flying **** about them being accurate, versus having error ridden purges a positive feature that so happen to dump a bunch of poor likely Democrats off the rolls versus a bug that needs fixing. 20% error rates are hard to chalk up to mere gross incompetence. If it's incompetence, then it demonstrates a desire to BE incompetent and overbroad.


You then want on this partisan diatribe about how the evil right side wants to ruin the elections and stay in power and how the left is going to save the universe or some BS like that....

Re-read my FIRST post in this thread.
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Interesting. Here's that post in full. I didn't say any of that....how odd you'd make it up!

Why three straight elections?

And, sure, I don't de-register when I move, but what no one can show is ANY evidence - ANY - that those problems are the source for "voter" fraud that rises about the trivial. There ARE lists of voters each election. Surely if the GOP wanted and those moves etc. produced a lot of double votes or other 'voter' fraud, we'd see some evidence, right? But we never, ever do see ANY evidence.

So the quick purges after what's a common enough period of activity - shorter than presidential election cycles - don't solve any problem you can point to as contributing to fraud. Voter purges are a solution in a desperate and failed search of a problem to solve. What they do is purge the poor, pretty reliably because they're more likely to rent and change frequently.

And, yes, people will "complain" about an incompetent process that so happens to purge 40,000 voters in error, a 20% error rate. All the while you're worried about "voter" fraud that might hit 5 voters per election. So you tell me what's the bigger problem - a 40,000 error voter purge or 5 morons voting illegally each cycle?
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JasperL said:
What we see in Ohio is how ELECTION fraud happens. That's how partisans swing elections, by using insiders to impact 10s or 100s of thousands of voters.
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No, no, no! The way to swing an election is to get together with 3 or 4 million of you closest friends and all agree to each cast a single fraudulent vote. We can get away with it if they don't have voter ID laws. That and keeping all 4 million of us to keep our mouths shut. Now that's clever! Much more clever than gerrymandering every district via the legislature and heavily purging voters rolls with no notice to the folks on the lists. That's just dumb.
 
Republicans are the Party that wants fewer people voting. What does that tell you?
 
calamity said:
Republicans are the Party that wants fewer people voting. What does that tell you?
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We do not want ineligible people voting including the dead. What does that tell you?

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sjmay said:
No you are being illiterate, I literally asked, is there a legit purpose in NOT doing them....if so, what was it, if not, how can errors like this be prevented.

You then want on this partisan diatribe about how the evil right side wants to ruin the elections and stay in power and how the left is going to save the universe or some BS like that....

Re-read my FIRST post in this thread.
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Maybe the right wing should stop angle shooting on **** like this and they wont earn derision.
 
What if...? said:
That would be defeating the purpose though.

Just like those who push for voter ID never include any kind of "ID Drive" in their legislation. Quite the opposite in fact. They do **** like close the only DMV for miles and miles at the same time. If dems vote early, cut early voting. That kind of thing.

Republican licans lose when tur out is high. So they do what they can to limit turnout where they can't gerrymand a lock.

It is what it is.
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I don't see what the big issue is over "Voter ID". Canada has had "Voter ID" for years. In fact, the provisions of the Canadian "Voter ID" law are likely more all encompassing than the various US ones. Why not check "ID to vote" to see what a really rigourous "Voter ID" law looks like and then compare it with the sloppy ones currently being touted in various US jurisdictions.

You will probably notice that the Canadian legal requirements are MUCH more comprehensive than the American ones.
 
BahamaBob said:
Wow, those evil Republicans trying to clean up the voter rolls. Over 200,000 cited for removal. The Democrats would never do that.

Oh wait, California is trying to eliminate over 5 million.
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Actually that's 1.5 million.

BahamaBob said:
Democrats must not want poor people to vote.
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Actually the process is the result of a lawsuit launched by "Republicans" (whatever that means).

Calif. Begins Removing 5 Million Inactive Voters on Its Rolls | RealClearPolitics[/QUOTE]

Not only that, but the process is slated to take between 3 and 5 years before a single name is "automatically purged" and it won't happen "just in time to make sure that the current incumbent in the White House gets re-elected" since no one knows who will be the President of the United States of America in 2025.
 
It's really smart for Republicans to keep Democrats from voting.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I don't see what the big issue is over "Voter ID". Canada has had "Voter ID" for years. In fact, the provisions of the Canadian "Voter ID" law are likely more all encompassing than the various US ones. Why not check "ID to vote" to see what a really rigourous "Voter ID" law looks like and then compare it with the sloppy ones currently being touted in various US jurisdictions.

You will probably notice that the Canadian legal requirements are MUCH more comprehensive than the American ones.
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I don't have a problem with the idea, per se.

But the republican efforts aren't about election integrity.

They're about voter suppression. I know because they are accompanied by actions that make it harder to get id's rather than making sure everybody gets one.
 
What if...? said:
I don't have a problem with the idea, per se.

But the republican efforts aren't about election integrity.

They're about voter suppression. I know because they are accompanied by actions that make it harder to get id's rather than making sure everybody gets one.
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If you check the link provided you will see that someone REALLY has to work at it in order not to be "identified" enough to vote in Canadian elections.

Of course, the people who are running the elections in Canada have as a part of their mandate


"to ensure that all eligible voters who want to vote are able to vote"
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rather than


"to ensure that all eligible voters (who are going to vote for 'the party in power') who want to vote are able to vote and to ensure that as few eligible voters (who are going to vote for 'the party NOT in power') who want to vote are able to vote."
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might have some slight effect on creating a slight difference.
 
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