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Trump disparages Pelosi at their first meeting since impeachment inquiry began, Democrats say

apdst said:
Keep dreaming. Pelosi doesn't even have the guts to vote on the inquiry. There's no way they'll vote to forward the articles to the Senate...lol
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It's not about guts its about the fact she has the power to tell the toddler in chief , no
 
ClaraD said:
It's not about guts its about the fact she has the power to tell the toddler in chief , no
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She's mad because he hurt her widdle feewins...lol
 
MTAtech said:
The House committee hearings were perfunctory when Clinton was impeached. There was not much, if any, proceedings of the committee.

Today's committee hearings have numerous witnesses, and they are closed-door to prevent future witnesses from knowing what the testimony had been. This is a common convention in courts.
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There was no full House vote. The hearings are being conducted in secret, just like in North Korea or some other communist country where there are no rights of defense for the accused. That should not be done in America. That is not how the Clinton impeachment was conducted.
 
marke said:
There was no full House vote. The hearings are being conducted in secret, just like in North Korea or some other communist country where there are no rights of defense for the accused. That should not be done in America. That is not how the Clinton impeachment was conducted.
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The testimony is being conducted in secret, just like a grand jury. And just like a grand jury there is no right of defense. The time for that is in court for an accused and before the Senate for impeachment.
 
Mach said:
First, the rules for special counsel under Clinton, expired and were replaced by DOJ specific rules for special counsel, you should know this if you are going to act like you care.
Kenn Starr was allowed to do it mostly any way he wanted with the old rules. Mueller had to follow DOJ policy.

As to Trump's impeachment investigation, they had no other option, because Barr/DOJ chose at least 3 time, not to investigate this.
As a direct result of that, the House has to do its own investigation. Investigations like this, are done mostly in private to protect the investigation. What do investigators often say during ongoing investigations marke? "We don't comment on ongoing investigations".
But here you are, crying that they aren't commenting about ongoing investigations as much as you'd like, whey they both shouldn't, and It was Barr who chose not to investigate it.
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Is this an impeachment or an investigation? Bill Clinton was impeached after the investigations had already accumulated enough evidence for him to be charged with breaking various laws. Mueller investigated Trump for years and found no evidence of a crime. Is this a new democrat policy where the impeachment is to begin before the rumors of crime have even been investigated? Is Trump going to be charged with a crime first or impeached before any crime has been proven through due process?
 
marke said:
Mueller investigated Trump for years and found no evidence of a crime.
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That's false, he evidenced obstruction and says DOJ policy is that he cannot indict (or anything like it) as a result.

Is this a new democrat policy where the impeachment is to begin before the rumors of crime have even been investigated?
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You're not making any sense.
There is no "new democratic policy" I'm aware of with regards to this.
The impeachment investigation has begun, is ongoing, they have interviewed a number of key witnesses and are trying to subpoena documents and other white house officials who refuse to cooperate.
There are no "rumors", we have a transcript that evidences criminality that is being investigated.

Also SDNY found criminality in the behaviors of Rudy's associates, and that investigation appears to be ongoing as well.
And the FBI is running another counter-intelligence investigation.

That's just the recent ones. Have no fear, no one is being impeached or charged, before investigations are complete.
 
MauiMan said:
She won with 78.1% of the vote in her district. The Republican got 7.6%. That’s better than Trump by a wide margin. In fact, Trump lost the popular vote.
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Pelosi garnered tens of thousands of votes in her election. Trump amassed tens of millions of votes in his first election. I fail to see your point.

Trump did not fair well in highly populated democrat strongholds, but democrats in Detroit did do well even in the stuffed ballot box counts. Democrats shot all their credibility to hell by refusing to allow investigations into highly populated democrat precincts, because now they cannot claim any evidence after the Detroit recount that other major democrat precincts were not stuffing their democrat ballot boxes as well.

Trump will be impeached. President Pence will lose to Elizabeth Warren in 2020.
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Bad assumption. Pelosi cannot even get enough votes in the democrat House to authorize the initiation of a legitimate impeachment process, so how are democrats going to amass 67% of Senators needed to remove him from office, should the House manage to gather enough votes to impeach him to begin with?
 
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rocket88 said:
Trump is not geing overthrown. If he is removed from office via impeachment, that's a Constitutional process. You don't just get to change the meaning of words.
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Legitimate impeachment and removal is a Constitutional process. Illegitimate impeachment is an overthrow. Nancy should stop screwing around with the Constitution and the American people and call for a vote to legitimately begin impeachment proceedings or she should stop the current kangaroo court charade by Schitff and his thugs which is being conducted illegally and behind closed doors.
 
MTAtech said:
The testimony is being conducted in secret, just like a grand jury. And just like a grand jury there is no right of defense. The time for that is in court for an accused and before the Senate for impeachment.
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I see. This is not a trial and no charges will be submitted as evidence for impeachment. In other words, to hell with Trump's civil and judicial rights, the democrats are in charge and if they want to impeach him then they can do so without having to give any reasons whatsoever and do not have to have a vote to authorize the proceedings.
 
Mach said:
That's false, he evidenced obstruction and says DOJ policy is that he cannot indict (or anything like it) as a result.


You're not making any sense.
There is no "new democratic policy" I'm aware of with regards to this.
The impeachment investigation has begun, is ongoing, they have interviewed a number of key witnesses and are trying to subpoena documents and other white house officials who refuse to cooperate.
There are no "rumors", we have a transcript that evidences criminality that is being investigated.

Also SDNY found criminality in the behaviors of Rudy's associates, and that investigation appears to be ongoing as well.
And the FBI is running another counter-intelligence investigation.

That's just the recent ones. Have no fear, no one is being impeached or charged, before investigations are complete.
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I suppose if Bill Clinton had been a republican you would also have advocated he be impeached because some of his associates committed crimes, many of his opponents did not like him and thought he was destroying the country, and democrats needed to remove him before the next election because almost all of them believed he could not be defeated by voters in that election? Not me. Demoicrats can clean it up and put a thousand coats of white paint on this, but it is still a dirty democrat hit job that bears none of the marks of legitimacy, fairness, respect, kindness, precedent, justice, honor, transparency, morality, or ethical behavior.
 
ClaraD said:
It's not about guts its about the fact she has the power to tell the toddler in chief , no
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Pelosi: 'Listen here, you conniving traitorous bastard, we will not tolerate you and your destructive ways any longer.'

Trump: 'Looks like someone did not get her daily dose of baby aspirin today.'

Pelosi: 'Well! I never! I will not sit here any longer while this orange moose totally disrespects me and my position as leader of the House of Representatives. I am leaving! Come on, boys, let us get out of this den of iniquity.'

Trump: 'Bye bye, Nancy. I hope you get to feeling better. We will try to conduct adult business with the remaining big boys after you leave.'
 
Mach said:
That's false, he evidenced obstruction and says DOJ policy is that he cannot indict (or anything like it) as a result.
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That is not what the DOJ and officers in government intelligence said.

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You're not making any sense.
There is no "new democratic policy" I'm aware of with regards to this.
The impeachment investigation has begun, is ongoing, they have interviewed a number of key witnesses and are trying to subpoena documents and other white house officials who refuse to cooperate.
There are no "rumors", we have a transcript that evidences criminality that is being investigated.
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What democrats have are badly twisted interpretations of existing evidence which proves Trump did nothing wrong. That is why the shifty lying Schitfftites must suspend due process and the freedom to cross examine witnesses. That is also why Schitff must conduct his hearings in secret, call only witnesses he think may be helpful in crafting lying narratives, and refuse to allow any testimony from republican witnesses.

Also SDNY found criminality in the behaviors of Rudy's associates, and that investigation appears to be ongoing as well.
And the FBI is running another counter-intelligence investigation.
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So? Does that mean Schitff thinks he can hide all testimony derived from witnesses in his hearings except for the massaged snippets he illegally spins and leaks in support of his lying narratives, because someone close to someone close to Trump is under investigation?

That's just the recent ones. Have no fear, no one is being impeached or charged, before investigations are complete.
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That is apparent. Schitff will likely never bring the impeachment hearings to the full House because he knows there is no legitimate basis for impeachment. Like the fake Trump/Russian democrat scam, Schitff's best hope at doing the most damage to Trump is to continue the spinning leaks from his closed door sessions up until nearly the day of the election. That way the truth will not be able to come out until voters have already voted and the greatest number of voters will have been crookedly manipulated into voting against Trump for all the lies coming out of Schitff's wicked kangaroo court trial.
 
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marke said:
I see. This is not a trial and no charges will be submitted as evidence for impeachment. In other words, to hell with Trump's civil and judicial rights, the democrats are in charge and if they want to impeach him then they can do so without having to give any reasons whatsoever and do not have to have a vote to authorize the proceedings.
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Thank you for letting us know that you have no idea how impeachment works. Fortunately, the New York Times provides a graphic, so you no longer have an excuse to muddy the waters.
 
Rexedgar said:
Look real close at the official WH photo........Kevin looks as though he wants to be anywhere else along with everyone to Trumps’s right.....
Pelosi has last laugh after Trump posts pics of contentious meeting - MarketWatch
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I once heard a democrat say Trump must be guilty because he looks guilty. I also heard a democrat say Trump must be guilty because he denies his guilt. I am ashamed for those who use very bad logic while imagining their thoughts are filled with wisdom.
 
MTAtech said:
Thank you for letting us know that you have no idea how impeachment works. Fortunately, the New York Times provides a graphic, so you no longer have an excuse to muddy the waters.
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Here is how impeachment works: In Bill Clinton's case:

Bill is accused of improper sexual molestation of an innocent woman. She sues. Congress begins an investigation. Clinton repeatedly lies about his conduct. A special prosecutor is appointed to investigate and turns up evidence of 11 violations of federal law. Congress votes in the full open House to begin impeachment proceedings and holds public impeachment hearings, resulting in the House impeachment judgment.

In Donald Trump's case:

Democrats call for his impeachment from almost the day he took office. They begin looking for a cause. They file charges against him for several different offences in succession over 3 years with no success. They finally say to hell with it and begin a private impeachment process behind closed doors without the authorization of a majority House vote. They refuse to allow due process and the proper cross examination of witnesses, and will not allow the public to see the full context of witness testimony. They give the public their spin and not the whole truth in context because their intention is to give support to the lying narratives democrats so desperately need to convict.

There are no high crimes and misdemeanors. Democrats say that does not matter, they are going to charge him anyway based on their perversion of the truth and fully intend to violate Trump's basic civil rights under due process, claiming they do not have to allow Trump any rights to due process because they are in charge now and fully intend to operate under different rules.

They say Trump will have his chance to offer a defense in the Senate after he has been impeached by the new rules in the House. trump will be vindicated and democrats know that, but only after they have inflicted the maximum amount of damage on him with their unchallenged lies in the House. Trump will be vindicated, just like he was in the Mueller witch hunt, but even then democrats will still be spinning like tornadoes to promote lies in continued support of their crooked dealings.
 
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marke said:
Is this an impeachment or an investigation? Bill Clinton was impeached after the investigations had already accumulated enough evidence for him to be charged with breaking various laws. Mueller investigated Trump for years and found no evidence of a crime. Is this a new democrat policy where the impeachment is to begin before the rumors of crime have even been investigated? Is Trump going to be charged with a crime first or impeached before any crime has been proven through due process?
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You're the one demanding that they vote before an investigation. Make up your mind.
 
rocket88 said:
Trump is not geing overthrown. If he is removed from office via impeachment, that's a Constitutional process. You don't just get to change the meaning of words.
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An excellent point. The more I see of this everyday what we are witnessing is the self destruction of Trump. He is committing a form of political suicide and he has only himself to blame.
 
haymarket said:
An excellent point. The more I see of this everyday what we are witnessing is the self destruction of Trump. He is committing a form of political suicide and he has only himself to blame.
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Yes, Trump has indisputably committed impeachable offenses and adds to that list daily -- but did he wear a tan suit? Did he have a private email server? Answer me that!
 
rocket88 said:
You're the one demanding that they vote before an investigation. Make up your mind.
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You misunderstand. I do not support the move to impeach Trump before the full House votes to do so and before any crime has been reasonably established as a high crime or misdemeanor. Opposing the democrat party and agenda does not qualify as a high crime and misdemeanor except for in the darkened cloistered dens of democrat political oligarchs.
 
marke said:
Pelosi garnered tens of thousands of votes in her election. Trump amassed tens of millions of votes in his first election. I fail to see your point.

Trump did not fair well in highly populated democrat strongholds, but democrats in Detroit did do well even in the stuffed ballot box counts. Democrats shot all their credibility to hell by refusing to allow investigations into highly populated democrat precincts, because now they cannot claim any evidence after the Detroit recount that other major democrat precincts were not stuffing their democrat ballot boxes as well.



Bad assumption. Pelosi cannot even get enough votes in the democrat House to authorize the initiation of a legitimate impeachment process, so how are democrats going to amass 67% of Senators needed to remove him from office, should the House manage to gather enough votes to impeach him to begin with?
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Just need 20 honest Republican Senators. It’s more possible than you think.
 
marke said:
You misunderstand. I do not support the move to impeach Trump before the full House votes to do so and before any crime has been reasonably established as a high crime or misdemeanor. Opposing the democrat party and agenda does not qualify as a high crime and misdemeanor except for in the darkened cloistered dens of democrat political oligarchs.
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Trump cannot he impeached until the full house votes. Right now is the investigation into whether a crime has heen committed.

So you're getting exactly what you say you want. But i think we all know that's not really what you want.
 
apdst said:
She's mad because he hurt her widdle feewins...lol
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You do realize Trump whines like his snowflake minions incessantly about how unfairly he's treated. Waaaaaaaaaa it's so unfair!

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Get back to us when Nancy starts whining. Good luck with that.
 
apdst said:
Keep dreaming. Pelosi doesn't even have the guts to vote on the inquiry. There's no way they'll vote to forward the articles to the Senate...lol
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The ignorance you demonstrate with this post speaks to how little you understand the process. And as days go by, your toddler president and the dip****s on his team keep digging a deeper hole. Carry on losers. Nancy will soon have his balls hanging from her mantle. He's this close to coughing them up.

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