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Pelosi announces House won't vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry

Glitch said:
Then whose job is it? ROFL!

Any one of the 435 voting members of the House of Representatives may introduce a House Resolution that includes one or more Articles of Impeachment. There was only one - H.Res. 498 - which they voted to table immediately by a vote of 332 to 95, before submitting the bill to the House Committee on the Judiciary to investigate.

That was in July. To date the bill is still tabled and no other Article of Impeachment has been introduced.



You forgot the most important step: First and foremost someone must introduce at least one Article of Impeachment.

Without that bill there is no investigation, no committee vote, no house vote, and no Senate vote. The bill comes first, and there isn't one.

So you are blowing smoke, nothing more.
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No, no one "must" introduce anything. Individual members of the House may introduce resolutions. Committees may also investigate topics within their respective jurisdictions. If and when someone decides that legislation (or impeachment) is in order, the committee staff or a member's staff will draft it. THEN the committee will vote and after that, if it passes, the House will vote.

By the way, there were two impeachment resolutions already. One died. That's what tabled means. The other was referred to the Judiciary Committee where it will sit indefinitely. You think they're the same and your knowledge of this process overall is frighteningly inadequate. So don't talk to me about blowing smoke. You're in the deep end without arm floaties.
 
Jonsa said:
Well somebody is blowing something around here.

No a bill is not necessary for congressional committees to investigate impeachable conduct. Congressional committees are MANDATED with oversight and have a preexisting constitutional authority to investigate the president for impeachable offenses.

Personally, Gorilla Glue #4 and Alaskan Thunder **** are the smokes I'm blowing these days.
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Alaskan Thunder **** is a gift from gawd. I never stray too far from my Tangerine Dream though. I love that bitch.
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

tacomancer said:
Good. Even if there was a vote, the WH would just invent another reason not to go along with it and nothing would be accomplished :shrug:
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What is going to be accomplished until 2020?
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

dixon01767 said:
Why more could you possible need when you have a confession? I know the answer, do you.
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Because people like you claim that wet means dry and that a confession means Trump's mom's recipe for apple pie.
 
dixon01767 said:
The target audience is anyone who is not damned fool enough to buy the BS the media has been feeding them.
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Right. That's got to be it. The media can't be trusted. Have you ever paused to notice how everyone who hates the same media loves Trump and that they all think the exact same things, which coincidentally (or maybe not) are the exact same things that Trump tells them to believe? Wake up.
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

dixon01767 said:
Why more could you possible need when you have a confession? I know the answer, do you.
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you need ALL the evidence you can get to erase any last shred of doubt or to ensure against possible lame excuses or alibis that will be offered on behalf of Trump from his usual apologists and enablers.

In other words, you need to make the absolute strongest case that you can.

Now you can pretend nobody ever told you and keep asking the same dumb thing over and over again.
 
gdgyva said:
again...who is going to make people comply?

the AG? nope

the DOJ? nope

the DC metro police?

who is going to lock these people up? who is going to put the pressure on?

because the democrats havent made it official, not one agency will comply....not one

so now what?
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You think a vote by the House is magically going to compel William Barr, the DOJ, or the DC police to enforce contempt?

Please stop screwing with us. It's boring and insulting.
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

dixon01767 said:
You made up the part about it being used in a political election.
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Do you normally have great difficulty in reading?

It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
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The law says it. I did not make it up. :doh:roll:
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Obscurity said:
The sociopaths that support this president need to be put in their place by the GOP. If they do not hold dear the constitution then they are cowards and traitors.

Newsflash, GOP, your base is a bunch of rabid ideologues -you- created. Time to own your problem and give them the spanking they deserve.

Impeach and remove.
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Ive been watching this trainwreck for years unfortunately i was on the beginnings of the ideologue problem when i was a ron paul fan.
 
Nalu said:
Alaskan Thunder **** is a gift from gawd. I never stray too far from my Tangerine Dream though. I love that bitch.
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My wine is red and my weed is sativa dominant with a 20+% THC content.
 
Jonsa said:
My wine is red and my weed is sativa dominant with a 20+% THC content.
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Eyyy, my man. I tried a 48.5% strain a few months ago. I just woke up. :lol:
 
dcsports said:
lol. 1/2 the country doesn't 'deem him unfit' -
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Actually, more than 1/2 of America does deem him unfit////

Majority of Americans think Trump is unfit to serve as president
National (US) Poll - September 27, 2017 - Trump Is Not Fit To Be Preside | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
National (US) Poll - January 10, 2018 - Trump Is Intelligent, But Not | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
National (US) Poll - September 10, 2018 - U.S. Voters Believe Anonymous | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
National (US) Poll - January 15, 2019 - Shutdown Does Not Change Trump | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

dcsports said:
and those that do have difficulty even articulating a reason. 1/2 doesn't believe he should be removed from office via impeachment without hearing evidence. (The majority aren't even paying attention).
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Au contraire.... the articulation of Trump's lack of fitness from office includes numerous reasons from multiple parties. They have been well and routinely articulated.

George Conway: Trump Is Unfit for Office - The Atlantic
Donald Trump's mental health: Experts get sidelined for speaking out
We recommend Hillary Clinton for president
Enquirer: It has to be Hillary Clinton
USA TODAY's Editorial Board: Trump is 'unfit for the presidency'
http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/
https://time.com/5704178/trump-character-unfit-office/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...is-critics-trump-is-still-unfit-be-president/
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-star-army-general-trump-serious-threat-to-us

dcsports said:
Certainly, this is a unique situation, but 'most people' care little about politics. If they are doing well, they are happy to have the current president continue.
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What do you mean by the bolded? .. well, not that important..

More than 1/2 of America are so tired of all of this, they do want him impeached and removed. They do not currently see a rationale for him to serve out their term.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...t-of-americans-support-trumps-impeachment-and
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment

You really need to read a little more as you seem surprisingly out of step with what has been going on. Hopefully this helps bring you up to speed. LOL.
 
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Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

dixon01767 said:
Why more could you possible need when you have a confession? I know the answer, do you.
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You need much more.... as we have already seen a big issue arise with the concept of quid pro quo. You need to depose as many witnesses as possible to give you the backstory. Then you need to cull those depositions to find the truth and the compelling story.

Meanwhile, every day that impeachment inquiry goes on down the street, without Trump knowing exactly what is going on, Trump's anxiety forces even more truths and confessions from him. He just can't sit still. I'd say Trump is working as hard to build the case against him as the Dems. No rush for the Dems when Trump is self-impeaching, and now, self-convicting.
 
dixon01767 said:
And Trumps GOP ship just set a new record in the history of Presidential politics by raising $125 million last quarter.
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I hope he steals it all and stiffs everyone of the ****ing idiots that donated. Fools.
 
Nalu said:
You think a vote by the House is magically going to compel William Barr, the DOJ, or the DC police to enforce contempt?

Please stop screwing with us. It's boring and insulting.
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i am saying there is NO SHOT of anyone complying right now

with the vote, maybe you get more people on your side of the equation

is it a risk? you bet....

guess what, politics is a risky business....

either get in the game, or gtfo
 
upsideguy said:
Actually, more than 1/2 of America does deem him unfit////

Majority of Americans think Trump is unfit to serve as president
National (US) Poll - September 27, 2017 - Trump Is Not Fit To Be Preside | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
National (US) Poll - January 10, 2018 - Trump Is Intelligent, But Not | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
National (US) Poll - September 10, 2018 - U.S. Voters Believe Anonymous | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
National (US) Poll - January 15, 2019 - Shutdown Does Not Change Trump | Quinnipiac University Connecticut



Au contraire.... the articulation of Trump's lack of fitness from office includes numerous reasons from multiple parties. They have been well and routinely articulated.

George Conway: Trump Is Unfit for Office - The Atlantic
Donald Trump's mental health: Experts get sidelined for speaking out
We recommend Hillary Clinton for president
Enquirer: It has to be Hillary Clinton
USA TODAY's Editorial Board: Trump is 'unfit for the presidency'
http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/
https://time.com/5704178/trump-character-unfit-office/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...is-critics-trump-is-still-unfit-be-president/
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-star-army-general-trump-serious-threat-to-us



What do you mean by the bolded? .. well, not that important..

More than 1/2 of America are so tired of all of this, they do want him impeached and removed. They do not currently see a rationale for him to serve out their term.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...t-of-americans-support-trumps-impeachment-and
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment

You really need to read a little more as you seem surprisingly out of step with what has been going on. Hopefully this helps bring you up to speed. LOL.
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Those are talking approval ratings - not whether a person is 'fit' to serve (although the summaries and opinion pieces you posted tend to use the word 'fit'.) So no, those are not about whether he is 'fit' for office.

If you'll notice, congress and Nancy Pelosi specifically got a worse ranking.
 
upsideguy said:
What do you mean by the bolded? .. well, not that important..

You really need to read a little more as you seem surprisingly out of step with what has been going on. Hopefully this helps bring you up to speed. LOL.
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It's a unique situation in that Democrats are trying very hard to make this an election about personality rather than policy, and Trump tends to be a very polarizing figure. If the election were based on economic and policy performance, Trump would walk away with it. Again, the point I made is that people tend to re-elect presidents when the economy is going well. That's very much in Trump's favor.

And, again, establishment Democrats don't want an actual impeachment process, because there's no good end game there. Their best hope is to stir the pot for a year, and win in November.
 
dcsports said:
It's a unique situation in that Democrats are trying very hard to make this an election about personality rather than policy, and Trump tends to be a very polarizing figure. If the election were based on economic and policy performance, Trump would walk away with it. Again, the point I made is that people tend to re-elect presidents when the economy is going well. That's very much in Trump's favor.

And, again, establishment Democrats don't want an actual impeachment process, because there's no good end game there. Their best hope is to stir the pot for a year, and win in November.
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If the Democrats were smart, which clearly they are not, they would have waited until the day after the 2020 election to introduce at least one Article of Impeachment against Trump. They wouldn't say a word about impeachment prior to the election, and start the impeachment process the day after the 2020 election. Then there can be no accusations that the Democrats are merely using the term "impeachment" in order to deliberately influence the election against Trump. By running around and screaming "impeachment" on a daily basis, without actually conducting an impeachment investigation, the Democrats are hurting their chances of defeating Trump in 2020.

Presently, Democrats look like mentally deranged morons screaming irrationally at the top of the lungs about Trump's criminality, yet refusing to introduce even one Article of Impeachment to begin the impeachment process. To make matters worse, Pelosi decides she was going to violate the law - again - and meet with Syria. If Trump doesn't have the DOJ slap Pelosi with violating the Logan Act then he is an even bigger idiot than I originally thought. Throw that stupid criminal bitch in prison.
 
Glitch said:
If the Democrats were smart, which clearly they are not, they would have waited until the day after the 2020 election to introduce at least one Article of Impeachment against Trump. They wouldn't say a word about impeachment prior to the election, and start the impeachment process the day after the 2020 election. Then there can be no accusations that the Democrats are merely using the term "impeachment" in order to deliberately influence the election against Trump. By running around and screaming "impeachment" on a daily basis, without actually conducting an impeachment investigation, the Democrats are hurting their chances of defeating Trump in 2020.

Presently, Democrats look like mentally deranged morons screaming irrationally at the top of the lungs about Trump's criminality, yet refusing to introduce even one Article of Impeachment to begin the impeachment process. To make matters worse, Pelosi decides she was going to violate the law - again - and meet with Syria. If Trump doesn't have the DOJ slap Pelosi with violating the Logan Act then he is an even bigger idiot than I originally thought. Throw that stupid criminal bitch in prison.
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That's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure how that would even work. I don't think it would be possible to complete the impeachment process in 2 months over the holidays. Even if you could, it would either be a moot point, or he could leave and take office in January. And either way it's still a lose-lose situation for Democrats.

If they were smart, Pelosi and other establishment democrats would just say... 'Look, we've got a year. Focus on winning the election.'
 
dcsports said:
That's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure how that would even work. I don't think it would be possible to complete the impeachment process in 2 months over the holidays. Even if you could, it would either be a moot point, or he could leave and take office in January. And either way it's still a lose-lose situation for Democrats.

If they were smart, Pelosi and other establishment democrats would just say... 'Look, we've got a year. Focus on winning the election.'
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Pelosi in particular is not very bright, and clearly she has a very bad memory. It took a full 12 months from the time Rep. Bob Barr introduced the first Article of Impeachment in H.Res. 304 in December 1997 until the day the House voted on those Articles of Impeachment in December 1998. Which means that even if they were to introduce an Article of Impeachment today they wouldn't be voting on the bill until just weeks before the election. Which will certainly work against the Democrats. Americans will see Democrats as petty and childish, unable to win an election, so they have to create a coup d'etat through impeachment in order to win. However, since the Republicans control the Senate, the Democrats can't win. Even if they succeeded with their coup in the House, it would still fail in the Senate.

All Trump has to do is point to the violence, destruction of property, and irrational criminal behavior by the mentally-deranged left for the last four years and Americans will be eager to reelect him rather than have an insane leftist in charge. Democrats are their own worst enemy.
 
This isn't too surprising given the fact that Pelosi has generally been against impeachment. The very fact that they aren't taking a lot only continues that line of thinking, but more importantly it shows that the entire impeachment inquiry is nothing but a stage show. If they were serious about impeaching Trump, the Dems could've done it years ago and could do it now with even more fervor, the fact that they choose not to when the iron is hot only shows that they aren't actually interested in impeachment per se, but want to have this battle in the media and a high profile situation in order to boost up support in 2020.
 
Glitch said:
Pelosi in particular is not very bright, and clearly she has a very bad memory. It took a full 12 months from the time Rep. Bob Barr introduced the first Article of Impeachment in H.Res. 304 in December 1997 until the day the House voted on those Articles of Impeachment in December 1998. Which means that even if they were to introduce an Article of Impeachment today they wouldn't be voting on the bill until just weeks before the election. Which will certainly work against the Democrats. Americans will see Democrats as petty and childish, unable to win an election, so they have to create a coup d'etat through impeachment in order to win. However, since the Republicans control the Senate, the Democrats can't win. Even if they succeeded with their coup in the House, it would still fail in the Senate.

All Trump has to do is point to the violence, destruction of property, and irrational criminal behavior by the mentally-deranged left for the last four years and Americans will be eager to reelect him rather than have an insane leftist in charge. Democrats are their own worst enemy.
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She really shows herself to be a third rate politician.
The Democrats and their endless string of losing strategies... tossing crap at the wall, and hoping it sticks. Thing is, that crap has a way of boomeranging back in their general direction.

Agree, they are their own worst enemies.
America deserves so much more than these losers.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
This isn't too surprising given the fact that Pelosi has generally been against impeachment. The very fact that they aren't taking a lot only continues that line of thinking, but more importantly it shows that the entire impeachment inquiry is nothing but a stage show. If they were serious about impeaching Trump, the Dems could've done it years ago and could do it now with even more fervor, the fact that they choose not to when the iron is hot only shows that they aren't actually interested in impeachment per se, but want to have this battle in the media and a high profile situation in order to boost up support in 2020.
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Technically, Democrats really couldn't begin the impeachment process until after the November 2018 mid-term election, because they didn't have the majority. So they could have begun the impeachment process 10 months ago (after taking control of the House in January 2019), but not any earlier.

Still it is a mistake to even talk about impeachment until there has been at least one Article of Impeachment introduced in the House. They did introduce one Article of Impeachment in July 2019, H.Res. 498, but then immediately voted 332 to 95 in favor of tabling the bill before submitting it to the House Committee on the Judiciary (which would have begun the impeachment process). Which means that there are currently no Articles of Impeachment against Trump. So all this talk about impeachment, as you said, "is nothing but a stage show" or empty rhetoric.
 
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