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Pelosi announces House won't vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry

Jay59 said:
Both are what the Clinton campaign did in 2016, using Christopher Steele. Was that your point?
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LOL, where is the Steele country located?
 
Jay59 said:
Still on this hairy old lie. I give you points for sticking with a story, no matter how fast it sinks.
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LOL Nothing is sinking faster than the Trumptanic.

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Nalu said:
She's definitely walking a tightrope. That's why she resisted this so forcefully for so long. Public opinion, at least among Democratic constituencies, has forced her to take this action.
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More accurately, opinion among the extremists. A tightrope is a good analogy. She's throwing them the extreme liberals a bone with this 'inquiry' line - in an attempt to keep them from turning on her and fracturing the party. At the same time, the establishment left doesn't want her to commit - because the last thing they want to do is present their case, and try to come to a conclusion. A failed impeachment - or a successful one - would be a disaster for Democrats. They just want to keep the pot at a slow boil.

One interesting aspect politically is that the whole thing is that Trump is successfully, for the second election cycle, pulling ALL of the media coverage. Democrats are actually in the middle of their primary, and can't get a mention.
 
dcsports said:
More accurately, opinion among the extremists. A tightrope is a good analogy. She's throwing them the extreme liberals a bone with this 'inquiry' line - in an attempt to keep them from turning on her and fracturing the party. At the same time, the establishment left doesn't want her to commit - because the last thing they want to do is present their case, and try to come to a conclusion. A failed impeachment - or a successful one - would be a disaster for Democrats. They just want to keep the pot at a slow boil.

One interesting aspect politically is that the whole thing is that Trump is successfully, for the second election cycle, pulling ALL of the media coverage. Democrats are actually in the middle of their primary, and can't get a mention.
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I guess you could call them extremists. They're the Democratic base. Just like the Republican base are extremists for Trump. It's the base that matters during primary season. Speaking of which, I don't know your news sources, but Trump does not pull "ALL" of the media coverage. Click on any of political subforums on this site's homepage and read the subjects.
 
Glitch said:
I have no idea where you manufactured that quote, but it is never anything I posted. So you can stop making up complete BS and attributing them to me.
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It was a mistake. I quoted the wikipedia article, but mistakenly included your name. Did not intend to include your name as part of the quote. If you bothered to click on the links I provided that would have been clear.

You could respond to those examples of impeachment.

Do you think it's okay for a judge to accept a 150k bribe in exchange for a more lenient sentence? Do you agree that no matter what a person's political affiliation may be that they cannot do things like this? If not, why?
 
dcsports said:
More accurately, opinion among the extremists. A tightrope is a good analogy. She's throwing them the extreme liberals a bone with this 'inquiry' line - in an attempt to keep them from turning on her and fracturing the party. At the same time, the establishment left doesn't want her to commit - because the last thing they want to do is present their case, and try to come to a conclusion. A failed impeachment - or a successful one - would be a disaster for Democrats. They just want to keep the pot at a slow boil.

One interesting aspect politically is that the whole thing is that Trump is successfully, for the second election cycle, pulling ALL of the media coverage. Democrats are actually in the middle of their primary, and can't get a mention.
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Not just the coverage. He has also stolen the issues. The Democrats are promoting US military intervention in Syria. Read that again, slowly.

Why? Because Trump owns non-intervention, not to mention the economy, jobs, wages, immigration, all usual Democratic issues.
 
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haymarket said:
Extortion and a withholding of military funds in the middle of a war is something you think would be FREELY GIVEN?!?!?!?!? .
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They've been given the aid. They weren't even aware it was being delayed and the President of Ukraine wasn't aware of any pressure after the call. You people have nothing other than what you have imagined. All contradicted by the facts. And I noticed you couldn't even come up with even one single example from history
 
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The sociopaths that support this president need to be put in their place by the GOP. If they do not hold dear the constitution then they are cowards and traitors.

Newsflash, GOP, your base is a bunch of rabid ideologues -you- created. Time to own your problem and give them the spanking they deserve.

Impeach and remove.
 
Jay59 said:
Not just the coverage. He has also stolen the issues. The Democrats are promoting US military intervention in Syria. Read that again, slowly..
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And the media that championed Obama defying the military's advice when he withdrew troops from Iraq, is now attempting to crucify Trump for withdrawing from Syria
 
Deuce said:
Are you really stupid enough to not understand the difference between opposition research and soliciting a foreign government for information?
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If your referring to Hillarys opposition research she added to Trumps methods illegal money laundering.
 
Nalu said:
I guess you could call them extremists. They're the Democratic base. Just like the Republican base are extremists for Trump. It's the base that matters during primary season. Speaking of which, I don't know your news sources, but Trump does not pull "ALL" of the media coverage. Click on any of political subforums on this site's homepage and read the subjects.
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Not all the base. The extremists. Most democrats in congress, the not-far left, establishment types, recognize that it's a bad idea to get into a battle where every outcome is a loss.
 
Jay59 said:
Not just the coverage. He has also stolen the issues. The Democrats are promoting US military intervention in Syria. Read that again, slowly.

Why? Because Trump owns non-intervention, not to mention the economy, jobs, wages, immigration, all usual Democratic issues.
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That's true (although we could debate that all of these are 'democrat' issues). All the left has, and all that gets coverage, is impeach Trump.
 
dcsports said:
That's true (although we could debate that all of these are 'democrat' issues). All the left has, and all that gets coverage, is impeach Trump.
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Isnt it revealing that all the Democratic candidates seeking to be elected President this year are so obsessed with impeaching the current President
 
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dixon01767 said:
They've been given the aid. They weren't even aware it was being delayed and the President of Ukraine wasn't aware of any pressure after the call. You people have nothing other than what you have imagined. All contradicted by the facts. And I noticed you couldn't even come up with even one single example from history
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It is illegal to solicit anything of value from a foreign source to be used in a political election campaign. And that is precisely what Trump has admitted to and confessed to the nation.

And that is the example.
 
dixon01767 said:
Isnt it revealing that all the Democratic candidates seeking to be elected President this year are so obsessed with impeaching the current President
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Yes. It's their strongest case. It's almost impossible for a president to not be re-elected to a second term when the economy is doing well.
 
Pelosi sees this support and goes...oh ****!

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sjmay said:
So then, why/how do you think we are hearing about all this stuff that has been said behind closed door hearings? There's a reason I am assuming, that they are closed door hearings, yet things seem to drip out of there, painting a one way picture.

What is more likely, that EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED, is negative, and there is ZERO spin on it, by anyone, or that, words/context are being snipped, and released outside of their original intent, to paint negative pictures? In otherwords, that EVERYTHING was criminal and NOTHING WAS BENIGN, that seems a bit...far-fetched when you think of it... in order to make some sort of sense, there would have to be something benign, somewhere, but the Dems aren't releasing those tidbits.....ask yourself why...
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Considering Trump's record, yes, it is very likely that everything is negative. And it appears very obvious to me that you are buying into the GOP game. This is the record:

- Foremost, we know that the independent counsel investigations of Nixon and Clinton were held behind closed doors before the public hearings. This is all that is happening now. We also know that private sessions are conducted as a matter of protocol when it comes to criminal investigations to keep witnesses from hearing each other and tainting their own testimony. Which leads us to...

- We have the President of the United States making threats towards witnesses and ordering his associates to ignore Congress, thereby leaving government organizations like the CIA and the FBI to have to defend their own people from White House meddling and obstruction. And we know that without closed sessions, Trump loyalists will feel more inclined to lie, such as in the case of Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer, who was convicted of lying to Congress on another matter.

- We know that immediately following the White House release of the transcript, Trump's peeps issued spin instructions to his Republican supporters (and accidentally(?) to Democrats) on how to avoid what that transcript clearly displayed for all us to see.

- Now Republicans are routinely complaining that they have not been allowed to cross-examine witnesses, but this is a lie. We know that staff attorneys have led the questioning, and that the time was evenly divided between Democratic and Republican aides. We know that, while some Republicans, who have been invited to sit in, have refused, while others who have not been invited, try to crash and disrupt. Essentially, combined with the spin instructions, we are seeing a GOP that is using obstructionism as a tactic to defeat the truth, much like Trump did with Mueller.




The GOP obviously wants is to create a mood among its constituents that this is merely partisan and that Trump remains the eternal victim of a "witch hunt" or a "political hit job," as if the man hadn't already been caught and then admitted to it. They do this by declaring that this isn't on display on prime time television for all to see, while completely ignoring the context of the situation. They are serving themselves, not America, and making you feel that you are also a victim.

Now, ask yourself why the GOP has gone from "not reading the transcript" to "we aren't all given access" to what they know is proper, in accordance to how the Nixon and Clinton cases were handled. It's a game of obtuse defense that attempts to avoid the issue at hand, because they know that they do not want to deal with the issue at hand. This is why those who are invited don't attend, and those who are not invited try to crash. It's a spectacle and they pass this nonsense off too you through FOX News spin and propaganda. Trump is already guilty. The evidence that we know about is clear enough on this. What we don't know is how deep that cookie jar is and how much wider Trump's lack of integrity actually goes. Such as, why does Giuliani have foreign-born clients giving money to the Trump campaign and how deep an impact has foreign governments had on the White House after they have been buying up massive amounts of rooms on Trump properties (with no one staying in them). Oh, but Giuliani also refuses to be interviewed, doesn't he? More obstruction from a Party that complains that it should be allowed to prematurely know everything all the time.

Oh, it's all negative because at the center of this is a very negative man who finally got caught and along the way he has burned all his bridges to a GOP that has no idea what it is supposed to do anymore. Trump only really has Giuliani left, another private lawyer, to take the fall. Because everybody else appears to either want to obtusely play the spin game or simply remove themselves from the playing field altogether.
 
MSgt said:
Considering Trump's record, yes, it is very likely that everything is negative. And it appears very obvious to me that you are buying into the GOP game. This is the record:

- Foremost, we know that the independent counsel investigations of Nixon and Clinton were held behind closed doors before the public hearings. This is all that is happening now. We also know that private sessions are conducted as a matter of protocol when it comes to criminal investigations to keep witnesses from hearing each other and tainting their own testimony. Which leads us to...

- We have the President of the United States making threats towards witnesses and ordering his associates to ignore Congress, thereby leaving government organizations like the CIA and the FBI to have to defend their own people from White House meddling and obstruction. And we know that without closed sessions, Trump loyalists will feel more inclined to lie, such as in the case of Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer, who was convicted of lying to Congress on another matter.

- We know that immediately following the White House release of the transcript, Trump's peeps issued spin instructions to his Republican supporters (and accidentally(?) to Democrats) on how to avoid what that transcript clearly displayed for all us to see.

- Now Republicans are routinely complaining that they have not been allowed to cross-examine witnesses, but this is a lie. We know that staff attorneys have led the questioning, and that the time was evenly divided between Democratic and Republican aides. We know that, while some Republicans, who have been invited to sit in, have refused, while others who have not been invited, try to crash and disrupt. Essentially, combined with the spin instructions, we are seeing a GOP that is using obstructionism as a tactic to defeat the truth, much like Trump did with Mueller.




The GOP obviously wants is to create a mood among its constituents that this is merely partisan and that Trump remains the eternal victim of a "witch hunt" or a "political hit job," as if the man hadn't already been caught and then admitted to it. They do this by declaring that this isn't on display on prime time television for all to see, while completely ignoring the context of the situation. They are serving themselves, not America, and making you feel that you are also a victim.

Now, ask yourself why the GOP has gone from "not reading the transcript" to "we aren't all given access" to what they know is proper, in accordance to how the Nixon and Clinton cases were handled. It's a game of obtuse defense that attempts to avoid the issue at hand, because they know that they do not want to deal with the issue at hand. This is why those who are invited don't attend, and those who are not invited try to crash. It's a spectacle and they pass this nonsense off too you through FOX News spin and propaganda. Trump is already guilty. The evidence that we know about is clear enough on this. What we don't know is how deep that cookie jar is and how much wider Trump's lack of integrity actually goes. Such as, why does Giuliani have foreign-born clients giving money to the Trump campaign and how deep an impact has foreign governments had on the White House after they have been buying up massive amounts of rooms on Trump properties (with no one staying in them). Oh, but Giuliani also refuses to be interviewed, doesn't he? More obstruction from a Party that complains that it should be allowed to prematurely know everything all the time.

Oh, it's all negative because at the center of this is a very negative man who finally got caught and along the way he has burned all his bridges to a GOP that has no idea what it is supposed to do anymore. Trump only really has Giuliani left, another private lawyer, to take the fall. Because everybody else appears to either want to obtusely play the spin game or simply remove themselves from the playing field altogether.
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Actually, the only thing I disagree with what is going on, is that there is no Republican involvement. Get Republican involvement, and I think you have a gateway to their base regardless of Trump.

The entire reason why Trump was elected, because huge swarths of people, were ignored, and now...Congress is doing it again, stop doing that, Trump might not have ever happened. But they run risk of doing it again by shutting Republicans out.

Invite Republicans in, IF they cross a line, say, subpoena unnecessary documents or witnesses, MAKE YOUR CASE that it's unnecessary to the people, let Republicans make theirs, and let the people decide. If They feel the Democrats were right, two things happen, Dems get relected, and Republicans don't, and vice versa.

By shutting down one side, they are paying into the message that they don't matter, and I guarantee you, they will make sure they are heard at the polls, ala how Trump got elected.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Spare me the holier than though "I'm a true American and you are not" self aggrandizing blather. You can also cram the "You're a Trump loyalist" bull****, too. What people like you fail to even consider is that there are MILLIONS of people just like me who don't really like the idea that Trump is President but at the same time recognize that the left in this country is every bit as bad, if not WORSE.
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BS. You are absolutely a Trump or partisan loyalist; and this attitude is more about wanting to distance yourself from taking responsibility for that blind loyalty since the 2016 campaign. I will prove it with your own post:

You recognize exactly what FOX News has led you to irrationally believe and only what FOX news leads to you to believe. You are faced with quite possibly the worst President in our history and still you prefer to cling to the ignorant notion that "the left" is "as bad or worse." This is FOX garbage. YOU are why tomato paste is a vegetable. YOU are why science is a hoax. YOU are why birthers exist. YOU are why so many right-wing conspiracies take precedence over facts and reality.

Jack Fabulous said:
Do you really expect me NOT to scoff at this latest attempt to remove Trump from office in the wake of the whole Russian collusion debacle?
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More proof from your posts:

- The Mueller investigation was not about Trump. It was Trump who made it that way and it was Trump who began using "collusion." What was he worried about that forced him to see himself at the center? I guess those Trump Tweets and FOX News spins got to you easy enough.

- Despite "no collusion," Trump consistently tried to obstruct the investigation. Why?

- And now we know that Giuliani had at least three foreign-born clients who were funneling money to the Trump campaign. Ignore that. One still wants "the left" to be as bad or worse," huh?

Jack Fabulous said:
So pardon the **** out of me.....
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No. Own your blind partisan loyalty and your FOX news sheep-like following.
 
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Obscurity said:
The sociopaths that support this president need to be put in their place by the GOP. If they do not hold dear the constitution then they are cowards and traitors. Newsflash, GOP, your base is a bunch of rabid ideologues -you- created. Time to own your problem and give them the spanking they deserve. Impeach and remove.
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Trump is close to 90% approval among Republicans. Conservatives love him because he is getting things done.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have self destructed. They bet all their political chips on the idea of getting him out before the end of his term. Time to own your mistake and finally admit he won the election. Newsflash, you have been calling your base names for years and they are starting to bleed into the Trump camp. His base used to be your base.
 
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Jay59 said:
Trump is close to 90% approval among Republicans. Conservatives love him because he is getting things done.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have self destructed. They bet all their political chips on the idea of getting him out before the end of his term. Time to own your mistake and finally admit he won the election. Newsflash, you have been calling your base names for years and they are starting to bleed into the Trump camp. His base used to be your base.
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Conservatives love him because he upsets liberals, bar none.

That's the sole reason. The rest is noise.
 
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haymarket said:
It is illegal to solicit anything of value from a foreign source to be used in a political election campaign. And that is precisely what Trump has admitted to and confessed to the nation. And that is the example.
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So even you don't think seeking information is a problem. Yet, you say things like this. Get a grip.
 
Trump said:
Pelosi sees this support and goes...oh ****!

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You should show the line outside. Trump could have filled the football stadium.
 
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