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Pelosi announces House won't vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry

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Superfly said:
I’m glad someone withheld your coffee this morning. :lol: The right elected Trump because he “tells it like it is,” so they should have no issue with your posts this morning.
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**** them too. I couldn't care less. This is the battle of ideas, and theirs are garbage. I've absolutely had it with them and their sanctimonious ****ing high horse morality nonsense.

Tells it like it is? Trump can't even form sentences, but I guess that appeals to a certain type of person.
 
Mach said:
Brass what lovebug? Balls? You're still hung up on balls and men being the only ones who are courageous? Probably why you post so skittishly and hate debate, while you post on a debate forum.

Nancy definitely puts your courage to shame.

Nancy is doing what's best for the Democratic party, despite Right wing nuttery that "she has to take a vote!!". They benefit from her taking a vote. Democrats benefit from her not taking a vote.
Use brain cells, not balls you don't have.
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brass - Wiktionary
uncountable, informal) A brave or foolhardy attitude; impudence.
You've got a lot of brass telling me to do that!

You seem more hung up on balls then Lovebug. Maybe you ought to apologize.
 
Superfly said:
Where are you getting your information?

What bylaws in the Constitution say that this is how it works? I’ve asked this several times, yet no one can seem to tell me.

I wonder why that is?
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The rules of the House, the judiciary has a leading role in impeachments and has since 1814? I think.

The argument will be that conducting impeachment inquiries absent a vote and judiciary involvement contradicts House rules and violates separation of powers as well as executive privilege. For the House to fully exercise their powers they need to be in agreement to the course of action being considered. Again, that is the gist of the argument. I disagree with some of it, agree with some of it. Judiciary should be involved and at the very least an on the record committee vote on every motion and every subpoena issued. I am not sure even that much is being done.
 
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Obscurity said:
The republicans ARE engaging in bad behavior and using the excuse "It's not illegal". So please, spare me your sanctimonious panting, Fletch. No one gives a ****. You guys LOST the house in 2018 and too ****ing bad. We voted blue for oversight and accountability and that's what we want, and we're getting it. I know you Trumpists want a rubber stamp; too bad. Elections have consequences.

Like I said before - **** em.
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You are obviously too angry and filled with hate to understand that you are proving my point. You dont care what the dems do so long as they get Trump. And you justify any bad behavior on the part of the dems on the theory that the republicans are bad. You have no problem imitating the behavior you claim to hate in order to get your way. That makes you just as bad as the people you vilify.
 
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Obscurity said:
**** them too. I couldn't care less. This is the battle of ideas.
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NO its not. You arent putting forth any ideas whatsoever. Unless you think that **** them is some sort of 'idea.' :lamo
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Pelosi announces House won'''t vote now on whether to begin impeachment inquiry | Fox News



If there was any doubt as to what this "impeachment inquiry" really is, this announcement should erase that doubt. The House Democrats are interested in inflicting as much political damage as they can possibly get away with.

"We're here to find the truth". The truth is that statements like this are ****ing nauseating at this point, Nancy.
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What's your hurry? It took years to impeach Bill Clinton. Why do you want Trump impeached so badly?
 
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Fletch said:
You are obviously too angry and filled with hate to understand that you are proving my point. You dont care what the dems do so long as they get Trump. And you justify any bad behavior on the part of the dems on the theory that the republicans are bad. You have no problem imitating the behavior you claim to hate in order to get your way. That makes you just as bad as the people you vilify.
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Sorry, I am done with the ****ing high road. It's lead to massive losses to the worst, most despicably backwards party in the history of this country.

Time to fight republicans where they fight us; and time for them to see what it's like.

Tolerance, my friend, I never claimed to have.
 
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Obscurity said:
No, both sides ARE NOT AN ISSUE.

The right wing drew the line first, and now that democrats RECOGNIZE the line exists y'all cry foul?

**** that. No. The right wing will not dictate to me the rules of engagement. I will not stop. There are no ****ing safe words. No forgiveness here remains. The right will be cannibalized by the psychopaths who domineer the dregs of their ideology unless they own up to their insatiable power lust and their demonizing of left/democrats at every turn.

They have de-americanized SWATHES of the country and do not view democrats as "the american people." You can see it on full display every time a ****ing right wing pundit opens their mouth; the seed of the rich and elite, benefitting from this division, pours out incessantly.

They made this war. They begged for it. In a death cult fever dream they BEGGED for it with the election of Trump.

Now that they have it, they need to bend the knee, or stop bitching about their ****ty, mindless tactics, being used against them.
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LMAO you are hilariously endearing,

You realize that you are calling for a type of civil war that you are not prepared for at all......Naw, you probably don't even recognize that...
 
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Superfly said:
^^ This. If not this, it’ll be something else.
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Exactly. There is no end to the manufactured outrage.
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Mach said:
Exactly. There is no end to the manufactured outrage.
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... by the Democrats.
 
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Obscurity said:
Sorry, I am done with the ****ing high road. It's lead to massive losses to the worst, most despicably backwards party in the history of this country.

Time to fight republicans where they fight us; and time for them to see what it's like.

Tolerance, my friend, I never claimed to have.
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You hate republicans for who they are so you have decided to emulate them. That simply makes you what you hate. Have fun with that.
 
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sjmay said:
LMAO you are hilariously endearing,

You realize that you are calling for a type of civil war that you are not prepared for at all......Naw, you probably don't even recognize that...
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I myself am armed. I'm calling for a POLITICAL civil war. Not a physical one. I do not condone violence. I am calling for the right wing to own the way they have acted, and to apologize for it, and to own the radicalizing of their voters, instead of projecting it all onto the left/democrats/immigrants - basically anyone and everyone that isn't a white, gun owning, chrisitian republican.

I've had it with them and their hideous ideology and their fracturing of society.

It began with Gingrich.
 
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Fletch said:
You hate republicans for who they are so you have decided to emulate them. That simply makes you what you hate. Have fun with that.
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I don't hate republicans. I can't say the same about republicans and how they feel about Democrats, and that's the issue. Republicans do not view people like me as real americans.

Well, **** them.
 
Re: No Vote Pelosi- Not at this Time

Obscurity said:
I don't hate republicans. I can't say the same about republicans and how they feel about Democrats, and that's the issue. Republicans do not view people like me as real americans.

Well, **** them.
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I dont know where you get your information but the one spewing the most hate toward the other side in this thread is you. By a mile.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, which house impeachment resolution (containing the articles of impeachment) is currently being investigated?
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There are currently two House Resolutions that call for the impeachment of Trump, but neither specify any "high crimes or misdemeanors."

H.R. 13 wants to impeach Trump for firing Comey and was introduced and submitted to the House Committee on the Judiciary in January 2019. It was then referred to the House Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties in February, where it currently resides.

The other is H.R.498 which was introduced in July 2019, seeks to impeach Trump for being a "racist." The bill was tabled by a vote of 332 to 95.

So as of yet there doesn't appear to be any serious attempt to impeach Trump, just a lot of empty rhetoric thus far.
 
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I'm a bit confused as to what constitutes impeachment proceedings, or whether "just talking" about impeachment means the process has begun.

Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia

With Nixon, the House Judiciary Committee set up an inquiry on Oct 30, then the House passed Res. 803 on Feb 6, about 3 months later, to give authority to the House Judiciary Committee to investigate whether sufficient grounds existed to impeach. If the committee lacked authority prior to Feb 6th, then what did the "inquiry" consist of for the 3 months prior?

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

Clinton is far more straightfoward - impeachment began with the House vote on Oct 8th, 1998, which layed out specific charges.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The rules of the House, the judiciary has a leading role in impeachments and has since 1814? I think.

The argument will be that conducting impeachment inquiries absent a vote and judiciary involvement contradicts House rules and violates separation of powers as well as executive privilege. For the House to fully exercise their powers they need to be in agreement to the course of action being considered. Again, that is the gist of the argument. I disagree with some of it, agree with some of it. Judiciary should be involved and at the very least an on the record committee vote on every motion and every subpoena issued. I am not sure even that much is being done.
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Show me these “rules of the House” that say that a vote should be held, or that any Tom, Dick or Harriett should be allowed in, if they are not a part of the committee.

The Constitution says that, basically, the House makes the rules in these instances. That’s what they are doing. They are following the Constitution. If the Constitution required a vote, it would happen.
 
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Fletch said:
I dont know where you get your information but the one spewing the most hate toward the other side in this thread is you. By a mile.
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You're goddamned right I am throwing shade, the thread topic is the democrats not holding a vote; Pelosi called the bluff of the right and stuck the bird right in their faces.

I love it.
 
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Mach said:
Exactly. There is no end to the manufactured outrage.
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Twitter is almost a wasteland of manufactured outrage now. It’s the same old talking points, given by the same talking heads.

You can come in here and see what people are saying, and trace the origins back to either Twitter or the TV. Why bother reading the Constitution, when you have “Constitutional Scholars” like Sean Hannity to tell you how to feel?
 
Glitch said:
There are currently two House Resolutions that call for the impeachment of Trump, but neither specify any "high crimes or misdemeanors."

H.R. 13 wants to impeach Trump for firing Comey and was introduced and submitted to the House Committee on the Judiciary in January 2019. It was then referred to the House Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties in February, where it currently resides.

The other is H.R.498 which was introduced in July 2019, seeks to impeach Trump for being a "racist." The bill was tabled by a vote of 332 to 95.

So as of yet there doesn't appear to be any serious attempt to impeach Trump, just a lot of empty rhetoric thus far.
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I've already laid out how high crimes and misdemeanors does not, in the literal sense, mean crimes. It simply means breaking the public trust, or abuse of power. The founders understood the power of the executive would lead some actions that a president COULD take to not be covered by law, and thus, the use of the terms they chose, which at the time meant precisely what I said.

Men were impeached for illegally mooring boats, which was seen as an abuse of power, in their time. The language comes from English common law, which used impeachment as a process to cleanse a corrupt official.

That's the case here.
 
Superfly said:
Show me these “rules of the House” that say that a vote should be held, or that any Tom, Dick or Harriett should be allowed in, if they are not a part of the committee.

The Constitution says that, basically, the House makes the rules in these instances. That’s what they are doing. They are following the Constitution. If the Constitution required a vote, it would happen.
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So, I posted from a FAS doc stating who handles impeachment inquiries and a history.gov site both stating the same thing, Judiciary handles impeachment.
 
Casper said:
Sorry but neither trump or the GOP gets to dictate how the investigation takes place and even though trump has attempted to put up a don't testify wall it is not stopping people from telling what they know. Wait for it, the vote will come soon enough, are you in a rush to get trump out of office?
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Neither does Pelosi.
 
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