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Trump: Let Napoleon Bonaparte rescue Kurds

HAL9000 said:
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Spare me your self-righteousness.

Am I gonna volunteer to go over there? **** no, sounds like it sucks. I'd gladly pitch in $100 more to keep the peace there. Considering taxpayers are payed $50 a year for troops to be over there in 2018, before the drawdown, I think that's more than doing my part.

Are there people who would volunteer to go over there? Yeah, they're called the military.

Maybe before Trump deigns to speak on their behalf, he should care about what they think?

Was his argument "My generals have advised me that this is a hopeless mission, and the troops are losing morale"? No it was, "wah wah wah, Trumpy no want spend money! Trumpy no want spend money!"

**** him. I bet Erdogan threatened to raise taxes on his businesses over there. This is what having a President swimming in conflicts of interests gets us: the diminution of American power.
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Has nothing to do with my self righteousness, nor really about Trumps policy. Right now, we are talking about YOUR empty words and YOUR bull**** pretense of concern over Kurds.
 
VanceMack said:
No...thats how I respond to people that talk big **** about putting other peoples ass on the line that wont do it themselves.
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You are missing the point. Trump betrayed our allies, pure and simple. To say "well, why don't you go and fight?" as a response to those who object to his betrayal doesn't make sense. Why should anyone trust America's commitments again? Seems as if both parties are not ok with this.
 
VanceMack said:
Has nothing to do with my self righteousness, nor really about Trumps policy. Right now, we are talking about YOUR empty words and YOUR bull**** pretense of concern over Kurds.
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That's funny, because the title of this thread is "Trump is a Moronic Garbage Person", not "The Only Meaningful Way to Contribute to Foreign Conflict Resolution is by Grabbing a Gun and Going There Yourself".

Maybe you should make a thread like that, if that's what you want to talk about.
 
Donald Trump tweet said:
"Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte. I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away!"
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what

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pillock.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You actually think that Trump does not know who Napoleon was and that he is dead?
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trump pointed to this Napoleon
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ps
does this man understand what he is doing ? its just mess , pure mess or this what putin is telling him to do ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0b9746-eea5-11e9-b2da-606ba1ef30e3_story.html
 
VanceMack said:
If he had stayed or increased forces you people would have **** yourselves about that. You have but one response...orange man bad.

But since so many of you have suddenly found your war cry, then why the **** ARENT you acting? Why arent YOU taking your ass over there RIGHT NOW and putting your life on the line to defend the Kurds?
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The debate is about policy, and the wise will not base policy on anecdote.

But, of course, that concept is over your head, given your comment.


It's like when we are debating tax policy, say dems want to make the super rich pay more, and a dumb right winger says, well, why don't you send more of your paycheck to the Government?


That's anecdotal, and has nothing to do the subject at hand, which is ( or would be in this hypothetical illustration ) the merit worthiness of a more progressive tax system.

In short, it's an incompetent argument.

My guess is that the concept is still over your head, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Feel free to prove me wrong that your debate skills are incompetent.
 
VanceMack said:
See? This **** right here.

When Obama was president, Muslim extremists were destroying entire villages of Christians in the middle east they were raping their women and children, beheading their men, literally bashing their children to death on rocks...and the leftist response? Crickets...its not our fight...we cant save everyone.

Now...you care.

This is precisely why you people have **** for credibility.
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If Kurds hadn't fought for us against ISIS, you might have a point.


Apparently, you have missed the point entirely. If you want to know where credibility is zero, look no further than in your nearest mirror.
 
VanceMack said:
If he had stayed or increased forces you people would have **** yourselves about that. You have but one response...orange man bad.

But since so many of you have suddenly found your war cry, then why the **** ARENT you acting? Why aren't YOU taking your ass over there RIGHT NOW and putting your life on the line to defend the Kurds?
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You can double down on the stupid argument all you want. It's still a stupid bull**** argument.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Where did he say that he did not give a **** that children and mothers are being slaughtered?

...and we were there to fight ISIS... not rescue the Kurds.
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We weren't fighting ISIS. We were having the Kurds fight them for us and in return for air support and arms etc.

Even if you think fighting ISIS was our main goal and the only thing we should be worried about, doesn't it bother you the slightest bit that Trump tucked his tail and ran so fast that we couldn't even ensure that the ISIS prisoners all escaped?

That's the issue here. Trump did something stupid. He also did it in the dumbest way possible. And he did it because some dictators told him to and without any rational discussion within the US military or with his advisors. If you were to ask me what they very basic, lowest standards that someone could have for a president concerning military matters the answer is "at the very least he should make an effort to inform himself of the best information available to him and develop the best plan possible with that information after carefully considering the advice from his advisors and generals". We aren't getting that. No plans to get our boys and girls out of dangers way, no plan for isis prisoners, not even an attempt to prevent a genocide etc. He put as much thought into this decision that I do when a waiter says they have a salmon special and I say "I'll take that" before he finishes the description.
 
roughdraft274 said:
We weren't fighting ISIS. We were having the Kurds fight them for us and in return for air support and arms etc.

Even if you think fighting ISIS was our main goal and the only thing we should be worried about, doesn't it bother you the slightest bit that Trump tucked his tail and ran so fast that we couldn't even ensure that the ISIS prisoners all escaped?

That's the issue here. Trump did something stupid. He also did it in the dumbest way possible. And he did it because some dictators told him to and without any rational discussion within the US military or with his advisors. If you were to ask me what they very basic, lowest standards that someone could have for a president concerning military matters the answer is "at the very least he should make an effort to inform himself of the best information available to him and develop the best plan possible with that information after carefully considering the advice from his advisors and generals". We aren't getting that. No plans to get our boys and girls out of dangers way, no plan for isis prisoners, not even an attempt to prevent a genocide etc. He put as much thought into this decision that I do when a waiter says they have a salmon special and I say "I'll take that" before he finishes the description.
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Apparently you've got a bunch of nukes in Turkey, and those are now going to be moved.

If true, then Trump likely did talk to his advisors to develop the best plan possible. Unfortunately for the USA, it appears those advisors were Russian.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You actually think that Trump does not know who Napoleon was and that he is dead?
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You know what comes to mind when I read this nonsense? "if you don't stand for something you fall for everything" (or something like that)
I giggled when the anti Obama crowd posted diatribe like this, acting like henny penny. Now I giggle about the anti Trump crowd running around like chicken little.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You can double down on the stupid argument all you want. It's still a stupid bull**** argument.
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Its not a stupid argument...its an expressed factual argument and you know it. Your entire reason for existence anymore along with most of the leftists on this site is "orange man bad". You **** yourself over whatever he says...regardless of what it is. If he came out in favor of breathing you would mock him and stop.

As I said...you people bleat on about your support about the Kurds...people you dont give the first **** about. By all means...put some muscle behind that bull**** hustle of yours. Pack up your kit bag and go join the fight.
 
OscarLevant said:
If Kurds hadn't fought for us against ISIS, you might have a point.


Apparently, you have missed the point entirely. If you want to know where credibility is zero, look no further than in your nearest mirror.
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Ah...so you are one of those special "raping and slaughtering innocent women and children is only a problem if we like them" kind of people.....

Sorry pal...Ive already been there...have the merit badge and t-shirts. I know what its like to defend Kurds on one side of the border and support the killing of Kurds on the other side of a border on the orders of a CiC that is playing global politics. This is nothing new for us or for me. Thats why when I see you people ****ting yourself over this I know your ONLY motivation is NOT care and concern over the Kurds but "orange man bad".
 
Bodhisattva said:
What joke did he make about it? Saying Napoleon could go is not a joke... it is an exaggeration.
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Trump is such a great leader. You never know when he's joking, exaggerating or being serious. Unless you are part of the Trump cult, then his and your mind are but one.

Am I right?
 
Jay Falcon said:
Trump is such a great leader. You never know when he's joking, exaggerating or being serious. Unless you are part of the Trump cult, then his and your mind are but one.

Am I right?
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Trump says a lot of stupid things... no need to go crazy about it.

I remember Obama saying that there were 57 states, I believe.

Only a ****ing moron would say that... right?
 
Lovebug said:
You know what comes to mind when I read this nonsense? "if you don't stand for something you fall for everything" (or something like that)
I giggled when the anti Obama crowd posted diatribe like this, acting like henny penny. Now I giggle about the anti Trump crowd running around like chicken little.
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same here... people say stupid things from time to time and Presidents give so many public speeches they pretty much all say stupid things... the hacks only freak when it is the other guy making a mistake.
 
roughdraft274 said:
We weren't fighting ISIS. We were having the Kurds fight them for us and in return for air support and arms etc.
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That is what my statement meant...

That's the issue here. Trump did something stupid. He also did it in the dumbest way possible. And he did it because some dictators told him to and without any rational discussion within the US military or with his advisors. If you were to ask me what they very basic, lowest standards that someone could have for a president concerning military matters the answer is "at the very least he should make an effort to inform himself of the best information available to him and develop the best plan possible with that information after carefully considering the advice from his advisors and generals". We aren't getting that. No plans to get our boys and girls out of dangers way, no plan for isis prisoners, not even an attempt to prevent a genocide etc. He put as much thought into this decision that I do when a waiter says they have a salmon special and I say "I'll take that" before he finishes the descriptio
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That is possible... Trump is good at certain things... not good at others.
 
Bodhisattva said:
He might be a piece of **** but I don't see how this comment of his even comes close to showing that he is a piece of ****...
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He is that stupid. Nuking a hurricane hurr durr.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Where did he say that he did not give a **** that children and mothers are being slaughtered?

...and we were there to fight ISIS... not rescue the Kurds.
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Lol the desperation. People can vent, hell its pretty hard not to.
 
Litwin said:
just look what Putinism did to elderly reality star´s brain, ...any professional mentalist here, something is very very wrong with putin´s personal cockold ?

" Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is .... or Napoleon Bonaparte. I hope they all do great,
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Trump: Let 'Napoleon Bonaparte' rescue Kurds

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