AP Fact Check: Trump’s premature win on trade, Syria fiction

AP FACT CHECK: Trump'''s premature win on trade, Syria fiction

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a week of caustic rhetoric by President Donald Trump over Syria and the impeachment inquiry, and truth often took a beating.

Seeking to justify pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, Trump spread false information about the total defeat of the Islamic State and misrepresented the scope of the original U.S. mission, saying it was only supposed to last “30 days.” He stepped up political attacks on his Democratic investigators, contradicting himself in the process.
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Atta boy, Trumpy. With you truth is always a secondary consideration.

JacksinPA said:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump'''s premature win on trade, Syria fiction

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a week of caustic rhetoric by President Donald Trump over Syria and the impeachment inquiry, and truth often took a beating.

Seeking to justify pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, Trump spread false information about the total defeat of the Islamic State and misrepresented the scope of the original U.S. mission, saying it was only supposed to last “30 days.” He stepped up political attacks on his Democratic investigators, contradicting himself in the process.
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Atta boy, Trumpy. With you truth is always a secondary consideration.

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Christonacracker. Wow. I took the time to read that entire article - twice. And it proves how completely unfit that man in for the job. Forget the fact that he's a pathological liar. We all know that. He's insane, he doesn't know how the Constitution works, and he's like a fat screaming 6 year old who doesn't get the GI Joe on Christmas morning.

This man needs to go. And McConnell needs to go with him. Did you read that whole section about the judges? How can anyone say that was right?

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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I like how Republicans were wailing and moaning when a Democratic President did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons and the good little republicans screamed Betrayal when the NeoCon dream was finally found out to be a farce by the pullout. It wasn't a pointless war when BushII was President. The Republicans saw no issue with an endless war as they lumped it in with the Global war on Terror.

A few words come to mind- hypocrite, ignorant, pathetically partisan... eace

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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I like how Republicans have decided "releasing thousands of ISIS members and turning the Kurds into enemies aligned with Syria and Russia is a good outcome."

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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Nope. not a bit. I just don't like seeing the president completely cut and run on our allies who have spent years and thousands of soldiers helping us out at the drop of a hat and with no warning which allows for the release of Isis prisoners and a possible genocide. And at the exact same time he is bending over back wards to give Saudi Arabia support, even so far as saying that Saudi Arabia would give us the terms on which we should proceed to defend Saudi Arabia after an attack.

That's the problem. Trump isn't some guy who's just following through with his deeply held ideology that he's thought long and hard about. He's just reacting compulsively, and in many cases, just does what ever the strong armed dictator that he last talked to wants him to do. That's dangerous. And immoral.

notquiteright said:

I like how Republicans were wailing and moaning when a Democratic President did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons and the good little republicans screamed Betrayal when the NeoCon dream was finally found out to be a farce by the pullout. It wasn't a pointless war when BushII was President. The Republicans saw no issue with an endless war as they lumped it in with the Global war on Terror.

A few words come to mind- hypocrite, ignorant, pathetically partisan... eace

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To be honest I'd have to say getting out of Middle Eastern wars is a good thing for our country. I remember Obama sending pallets of cash to Iran what good did that do?

lemmiwinx said:

To be honest I'd have to say getting out of Middle Eastern wars is a good thing for our country. I remember Obama sending pallets of cash to Iran what good did that do?

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Deflection, rejected.

Trump has yet to prove his “Art of the Deal” negotiation gives the US anything appreciably better in a trade deal than before. As with everything else, like nuclear negotiation with NK, Trump constantly lies about how well things are going and all the great deals we’re getting, as given in the linked article:

“The deal I just made with China is, by far, the greatest and biggest deal ever made for our Great Patriot Farmers in the history of our Country.” said Trump.

When, in fact, no trade deal has been made with China.

The thing about China is, we have no place else to go that will export enough to meet US consumer demand. Of $16.3T in the total of all the world’s exports, $2.3T was from China to the US. From where else in the entire world will we get that?

And, China is an expanding economy over the coming decades. We, and Europe, are not. China has the price and the production to export wherever. It will take a while, but it can be done.

I continue to believe that it is China that has the US over a barrel, not the other way around, because China is more willing to go through the pain (damage) that the US will not tolerate.

JacksinPA said:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump'''s premature win on trade, Syria fiction

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a week of caustic rhetoric by President Donald Trump over Syria and the impeachment inquiry, and truth often took a beating.

Seeking to justify pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, Trump spread false information about the total defeat of the Islamic State and misrepresented the scope of the original U.S. mission, saying it was only supposed to last “30 days.” He stepped up political attacks on his Democratic investigators, contradicting himself in the process.
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Atta boy, Trumpy. With you truth is always a secondary consideration.

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Would you provide us a list of every terrorist organization you want our military to side with against our NATO allies - and tell the TRUTH of why you do?

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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Bringing the boys home?

Since he sent 2,000+ troops to Saudi Arabia are more that the troops he removed from Syria that math doesn't add up.

tres borrachos said:

Christonacracker. Wow. I took the time to read that entire article - twice. And it proves how completely unfit that man in for the job. Forget the fact that he's a pathological liar. We all know that. He's insane, he doesn't know how the Constitution works, and he's like a fat screaming 6 year old who doesn't get the GI Joe on Christmas morning.

This man needs to go. And McConnell needs to go with him. Did you read that whole section about the judges? How can anyone say that was right?

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The judiciary has become entirely too powerful, THUS, why the right wing parrots that they won the long war because they took the judiciary. The Judges he appoints are unfit, unqualified and partisan. It will ensure any progress is stymied and we're stuck with the thinking of evangelicals and whites for decades to comes. Conservatism is now the judiciary.

JacksinPA said:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump'''s premature win on trade, Syria fiction

WASHINGTON (AP) — It was a week of caustic rhetoric by President Donald Trump over Syria and the impeachment inquiry, and truth often took a beating.

Seeking to justify pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, Trump spread false information about the total defeat of the Islamic State and misrepresented the scope of the original U.S. mission, saying it was only supposed to last “30 days.” He stepped up political attacks on his Democratic investigators, contradicting himself in the process.
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Atta boy, Trumpy. With you truth is always a secondary consideration.

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He doesn’t care about facts. He has his own “facts”. Or as Kellyanne Conway calls them—alternative facts.

MauiMan said:

He doesn’t care about facts. He has his own “facts”. Or as Kellyanne Conway calls them—alternative facts.

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That was the PTSD she suffered in the Bowling Green Massacre talking.

In reply to Rich2018 off-topic debate on Teacher Sues School District for Firing Him Over His Use of a Trans Pronoun. Post #174 and #176:


“Well it's easier for you to use and would make your posts clearer to read.”

Thank you for your input. I will trust that you can differentiate your own prose from that of others, especially when it is in quotes and italicized as opposed to the poster’s words.

“Great are you sure you meant that word ?
Quantify would be a better word - learn to use English better”

Yes, I meant the word “delineate” AND “could” as giving meaning to what I said.

NE India is difficult to quantify because it cannot first be delineated. Precisely what is the border between NE India and the rest of the subcontinent?

delineate:

describe or portray (something) precisely.

indicate the exact position of (a border or boundary).

I already gave you the names of the SE Asia countries. Something you obviously, like the meaning of the word “delineate”, did not know before. You should appreciate that you learned something about what you were debating.

"No you go right ahead and tell what your data shows"

It shows that there is not enough capacity in the entire world to match, to any degree of significance, China’s price and production needed to meet US consumer demand. You couldn't figure that out on your own? Now I understand why you demanded I tell you.

“Good, use the time in education.”

I did. And shared what I learned with you.

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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Who did he bring home? Answer no-one. They simply moved them to the other areas in the region.

SenorXm/Sirius said:

Bringing the boys home?

Since he sent 2,000+ troops to Saudi Arabia are more that the troops he removed from Syria that math doesn't add up.

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And the Special forces he removed from Syria are still in the region doing the same job.

lemmiwinx said:

To be honest I'd have to say getting out of Middle Eastern wars is a good thing for our country. I remember Obama sending pallets of cash to Iran what good did that do?

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Over the years here I've come to see the use of 'to be honest' to be anything but... :roll:

If we shouldn't get into Middle East wars Israel wouldn't exist. Shia and Sunni fighting would create periodic chaos in the world's supply of oil, and that would cause massive world wide recessions.

We need to be a lot smarter about what influence we exert. The NeoCon BS of BushII was incredibly stupid and arrogant. But when Obama pulled the bulk of our troops out of Iraq the rabid right screamed a blue streak. tRump is doubling down on the stupid of BushII. tRump is not only turning his back on a terrorist group, he is allowing Russia to gain a strong foothold in the oil rich region. :doh

Some see the Kurds as a terrorist group and Turkey as an ally. Both are wrong. The Kurds, like the Armenians, have been slaughtered by the Arabs and Turks for centuries.

Now as for the rabid right lie about pallets of cash... the funds were IRAN'S OWN assets frozen until the Multi-party nuclear deal was signed. Obama didn't hand over one dollar of taxpayer money. It was working out far better than tRump's 'deal' with North Korea by a long shot. Not until tRump started his ranting BS about how bad the deal was (ever notice every deal he didn't do was the worst deal ever???) did things start to fall apart. Europe didn't see the treaty as the worst deal ever, and they were ALL urging tRump to stay in the agreement (work on it if he needs to meddle out of his league but not torch the whole agreement)

So now we have a brutal dictator still in power in Syria, Russia firmly BACK IN the Middle East right beside the ME's big oilfields and we did all the heavy lifting.

tRump is a real ass.... eace

lemmiwinx said:

To be honest I'd have to say getting out of Middle Eastern wars is a good thing for our country. I remember Obama sending pallets of cash to Iran what good did that do?

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Who is getting us out of Middle Eastern wars? Trump is sending more troops to the region and the one you think he is sending home, are still doing the same job. Internationally things with Iran were settling down on the nuke issue until Trump pulled the rug out for no real reason.

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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There have been "points" to all of them; questioning their validity all depends on what ones perspective is on the role of the US geopolitically. The isolationist view is fine, if people are ok with the nations which fill that power vacuum. I've been of the mindset that the US should be building soft power more than exerting itself militarily.

lemmiwinx said:

I like how Democrats are wailing and moaning about a Republican president bringing our boys home from an endless, pointless foreign war. The word ironic comes to mind.

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I like how trumplings don't know that those troops pulled from Syria are not coming home and that they think we did the honorable thing in Syria, the world is truely upside down when it comes to what we used to consider Republican ideals.

tres borrachos said:

That was the PTSD she suffered in the Bowling Green Massacre talking.

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Yes. What do you suppose the dinner discussions with her husband are like?

MauiMan said:

Yes. What do you suppose the dinner discussions with her husband are like?

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He probably tries to keep broccoli shoved into his mouth at all times so he doesn't tell her that she looks like a truck stop hooker kissing up to some fat driver who hasn't bathed in a month and is hornier than a 3-balled tomcat. Or at the very least, someone who managed to escape the men with the butterfly nets.

Casper said:

I like how trumplings don't know that those troops pulled from Syria are not coming home and that they think we did the honorable thing in Syria, the world is truely upside down when it comes to what we used to consider Republican ideals.

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I wonder if that poster was tinkling in his panties when Trump sent 2000 of those "boys" to Saudi Arabia.

notquiteright said:

I like how Republicans were wailing and moaning when a Democratic President did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons and the good little republicans screamed Betrayal when the NeoCon dream was finally found out to be a farce by the pullout. It wasn't a pointless war when BushII was President. The Republicans saw no issue with an endless war as they lumped it in with the Global war on Terror.

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Actually they got congress to pass a separate resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq.