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Trump orders withdrawal of U.S. forces from northern Syria, days after Pentagon downplays possibilit

ElChupacabra said:
That's really simplistic thinking. The expansionist efforts of an Islamic Caliphate have definitely been stopped, but the problem is the hard fought gains accomplished thus far (mainly by the Kurds on the ground) have all been smashed to bits by the Turkish invasion. If this administration wanted to pull the troops out without creating a power vacuum, they could have worked toward that end. That, however, would have required coordination to ensure you don't end up creating the same chaotic environment that created ISIS.
Pulling troops out without understanding (or perhaps caring) what happens afterwards makes the whole ISIS initiative a potential loss; especially if the region becomes another hotbed for terrorists.
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You either don't want to or just can't understand: Erdogan didn't ask for our permission to enter Syria ... for the 3rd time in the last several years.
 
Barnacle said:
You either don't want to or just can't understand: Erdogan didn't ask for our permission to enter Syria ... for the 3rd time in the last several years.
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Hmm. So I guess Trump doesn't really have leverage. He threatened to "totally destroy" Turkey's economy if they did anything he didn't like, and now the US is rushing to get the troops out because they're under a threat created in part by this latest US action. You seem to be ignoring the cascading effects of Trump's statement of pulling troops out and suddenly all hell breaking loose.
 
There are still organizations that will help get you to Syria to fight with the Kurds.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Hmm. So I guess Trump doesn't really have leverage. He threatened to "totally destroy" Turkey's economy if they did anything he didn't like, and now the US is rushing to get the troops out because they're under a threat created in part by this latest US action. You seem to be ignoring the cascading effects of Trump's statement of pulling troops out and suddenly all hell breaking loose.
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Sounds like you're sad that our troops didn't stay and died ...
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, I don;t think that the Kurds are playing both ends against the middle. I think that they are calling in favors perhaps and trying to save themselves through whomever will protect them.
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Of course they are playing both sides. Exactly what Metternich did to keep Austria afloat.
 
Barnacle said:
Trump didn't give Turkey the green light to invade ... and watch out who you're calling dumb.
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Sure he didn't. As soon as he ordered our disengagement, after getting off the phone with Erdogan, Turkey started its invasion.

Just a coincidence?

And I did't call you dumb. I said and I quote, "Are you really this dumb?"

So are you?
 
Cardinal said:
I know he’s malignant narcissist, but I don’t believe two stinking towers explains this.
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But 119 other businesses might....

"...A lawsuit filed by 29 senators and 186 House Democrats — one of three lawsuits that have alleged that Trump is in violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clauses, which bar the president from receiving monetary or other benefits of value from foreign or U.S. state entities while in office — claims that Turkey has among the highest number of foreign business ventures in which Trump is at least a partial owner, with 119 listed. Others include China, with 115, and the Philippines, with 121.

Businesses linked to the Turkish government are also major patrons of the Trump Organization. Turkish officials have made 14 visits to Trump properties, more than any other country, according to an analysis performed for NBC News by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW...."

Donald Trump's business ties to Turkey in the spotlight - AOL News​
 
Mycroft said:
Then tell your Congressman to declare war on...well, someone. Plenty to choose from.
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Exactly....
All this belly aching but this is on congress. Its up to them if they want yo sppease all the interventionists on the left.
Declare war on a nato member and let those chips fall where they may.
My god are these people a special kind of moron.

Im begining to think this is the lefts verision of wagging the dog. They are trying to pivot attention from another failed impeachment attemot to try to portray Trump as a war criminal for NOT fighting.

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Rexedgar said:
I have pointed out before that I believe the Russian naval base in Tartus will undergo improvement to be able to accommodate the largest Russian naval vessels.

Russian naval facility in Tartus - Wikipedia
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Russia is expanding that naval base, but they also planned on building a second naval base in syria, as well as a naval base in venezuela and has floated the idea of building a naval base in iran.
 
When the slaughter is over I wonder how many deaths Donald Trump will be responsible for.
 
Mycroft said:
This is right in line with his overall objective...remove the US from foreign wars...and his immediate objective...remove the US from Syria.

He's been very clear that he wants Turkey, Syria, Russia, Kurds and the EU to deal with the problems. He destroyed ISIS...had tens of thousands captured.

Turkey agreed to take control of the terrorists...whatever happens is on them.

Turkey agreed not to kill Kurds...whatever happens is on them.

If Turkey violates their agreement, Trump will devastate their economy.

End of story.
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As usual, you’re trying to defend the indefensible. Part of your defense is the claim that #45 is fulfilling campaign promises. Funny how this is the one he focuses on while breaking all the others — on making healthcare better, cheaper, etc.; on infrastructure; and on raising taxes on the rich.

You claim he destroyed ISIS but ISIS isn’t destroyed and 1,000 fighters have been set out of jail due to this hairbrain action.

Innocent people are dying and our standing in the world is crap. Green Barets are ashamed.

The Kurds have now been pushed to the Russian backed Syrians.
 
ocean515 said:
What bizarre and twisted thinking.

The radical left is a scary place.
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Yeah, I guess it's better to ignore what's happening. I bet Rush and Sean take that tactic today.

And you wanna know what's the most ****ed up thing about Trump supporters? They get offended about things like wanting to know how many people are slaughtered instead of getting upset about the people actually being slaughtered. God is watching.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Of course they are playing both sides. Exactly what Metternich did to keep Austria afloat.
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If we're gone how are they playing both sides?
 
MTAtech said:
As usual, you’re trying to defend the indefensible. Part of your defense is the claim that #45 is fulfilling campaign promises. Funny how this is the one he focuses on while breaking all the others — on making healthcare better, cheaper, etc.; on infrastructure; and on raising taxes on the rich.
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You need to talk to Congress about those issues. Trump tried...they opposed.

You claim he destroyed ISIS but ISIS isn’t destroyed and 1,000 fighters have been set out of jail due to this hairbrain action.
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ISIS was destroyed. They have zero control. Those fighters were in jail. Trump didn't let them out. Turkey and the Kurds let them out.

Innocent people are dying and our standing in the world is crap. Green Barets are ashamed.
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Blame the people who are killing them. The US military isn't doing it.

The Kurds have now been pushed to the Russian backed Syrians.
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Good. I'm glad they were able to work out a deal for protection. They never had such a deal with the US.
 
Mycroft said:
You need to talk to Congress about those issues. Trump tried...they opposed.
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Not so fast. Trump made no effort to address infrastructure at all except for having "infrastructure week" a few years ago, which was merely a photo-op. This was when the GOP controlled both the House and Senate. Trump's administration formed no plan.

On health care, his proposal was worse in every way. It was more expensive; it didn't cover preexisting conditions; it cut tens of millions out of insurance. Fortunately, John McCain voted no, killing it.

Mycroft said:
ISIS was destroyed. They have zero control. Those fighters were in jail. Trump didn't let them out. Turkey and the Kurds let them out.
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Well, former Defense Sec. James Mattis disagrees with you. On Meet the Press yesterday, "Right. I think Secretary of State Pompeo, the intelligence services, the foreign countries that are working with us have it about right, that ISIS is not defeated. We have got to keep the pressure on ISIS, so they don't recover. We may want a war over. We may even declare it over. You can pull your troops out, as President Obama learned the hard way, out of Iraq. But the “enemy gets a vote,” we say in the military. And in this case, if we don't keep the pressure on, then ISIS will resurge. It's, it’s absolutely a given that they will come back."

Mycroft said:
lame the people who are killing them. The US military isn't doing it.
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I blame the people who caused the problem and should have known better than to green light Turkey's attack -- without consulting our military or foreign policy experts. But of course, Trump is suffering from the delusion that he knows more about ISIS than the generals and knows more about everything than the experts. The results of a disastrous outcome is predictable.
 
Barnacle said:
Most people here don't seem to realize that the northern Syrian Kurds existed long before we armed them in 2015. /s
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That would be in line with the (likely) fact that most people in the United States of America don't actually know where Syria is.

"The term 'Kurd', however, is first encountered in Arabic sources of the seventh century." which (for the benefit of the chronologically impaired) is roughly 1,300 years BEFORE there was ever a United States of America. Yes, impossible as it sounds, somethings actually happened BEFORE the American Revolution.
 
ElChupacabra said:
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How could anyone possibly consider that to be a "Fail"? The kid got the tablecloth off the table without disturbing a single dish and that is a definite "Mission Accomplished" for the kid.

Not only that, but the kid who pulled the tablecloth didn't get hit by anything that the other kid caused to fall and break (which appears to have included all of the dishes that the first kid SUCCEEDED in pulling the tablecloth out from under without disturbing a single dish).

PS - I did notice that the kid who SUCCEEDED in pulling the tablecloth out from under the dishes without disturbing them seemed to have blondish hair and a somewhat reddish complexion. Does anyone know what happened to him when he grew up?
 
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charliebrown said:
Do you people suggest staying in there to fight Turkey and Russia????
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A silly proposition. There's been no danger of US troops having to confront Turkish.

Instead what the US has done is abdicate its responsibility as mediator, moderator, negotiator and protector of the Kurds. Trump has stepped back and said, screw it they're all on their own because I have hotel deals in Istanbul. America could have effectively stopped Turkey from planning this offensive if the president wasn't consumed with his TV ratings and Twitter feuds all the time. Another example of Trump not doing his job at all, because he is obsessed with his image and his businesses.
 
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