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Trump orders withdrawal of U.S. forces from northern Syria, days after Pentagon downplays possibilit

Mycroft said:
That's correct. You can thank Obama for making it our problem.
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How is that?
If they were never our problem in the 1st place it should fall on no US politician.
 
dairyair said:
How is that?
If they were never our problem in the 1st place it should fall on no US politician.
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Those politicians...including Obama...made it our problem.

Trump has stopped all that.
 
dairyair said:
And tRUMP towers to be built in Russia in the near future?
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We've all sort of figured that. I don't know that Trump would that malleable over hotels. It's really like Putin has some sort of nefarious power over him: something...
 
Mycroft said:
Those politicians...including Obama...made it our problem.

Trump has stopped all that.
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You keep saying that, but you haven't said how.
And based on that post that showed you constantly whining about Obama years ago and ISIS, you felt it was our problem. I am sensing hypocrisy going on.
 
dairyair said:
You keep saying that, but you haven't said how.
And based on that post that showed you constantly whining about Obama years ago and ISIS, you felt it was our problem. I am sensing hypocrisy going on.
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sigh...

Do I have to use baby words?

You know what...never mind.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
jet57 said:
It was reported on CBS's Face the Nation this morning that the Kurds are making a deal with Russia for protection.
"Russia skews the election in favor of who they want = Trump". Arrests are made and prison time is handed out for crimes with respect Trump's people and washing money in the Ukraine; Trump shakes down the Ukraine. Trump for all intents and purposes hands over Syria to the Russians... Now they will have solid footing in the Middle East.
Follow the money.
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The Syrian Kurds have gone full circle. When the civil war broke out in Syria, these Kurds defied Bashar al-Assad and withdrew into the most northern part of Syria.
Now it's being reported that they're making a deal with Syria again.

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DEVELOPING: A deal between Kurdish forces and Syrian forces, with involvement of Russia, appears to be in the works to help confront the Turkish invasion into northern Syria after the US abandoned the Kurdish forces in the region. ...
10:49 AM - 13 Oct 2019
 
Mycroft said:
sigh...

Do I have to use baby words?

You know what...never mind.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
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You just need to use words. Words to say why you blame obama for making ISIS our problem. IMO, they should never have been our problem. The entire ME should not be our problem.

Thanks. I knew you just made stuff up. I think because the man you want to blame has black skin, yes?

When one can't explain themselves, just make stuff up and then run away from discussion. See ya.
I don't take it personally. It's actually a compliment and accepted form of defeat from the one running.
 
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jet57 said:
What's your point?
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Try reading Metternich. He had Europe by the balls, one day playing enemies to the brink of war, by allying with one or the other, then changing allies for the next peace, then repeat and rinse, always keeping tiny Austria out of the fray. Metternich, hero of Europe, father of modern diplomacy.
 
Barnacle said:
The Syrian Kurds have gone full circle. When the civil war broke out in Syria, these Kurds defied Bashar al-Assad and withdrew into the most northern part of Syria.
Now it's being reported that they're making a deal with Syria again.

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DEVELOPING: A deal between Kurdish forces and Syrian forces, with involvement of Russia, appears to be in the works to help confront the Turkish invasion into northern Syria after the US abandoned the Kurdish forces in the region. ...
10:49 AM - 13 Oct 2019
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So America's allies (the Kurds) are now joining forces with America's enemy (Mr. al-Assad), good work on the part of someone, eh wot?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
So America's allies (the Kurds) are now joining forces with America's enemy (Mr. al-Assad), good work on the part of someone, eh wot?
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They (the Kurds) never were America's allies ... they fought with the Americans for self-preservation reasons.

I posted the following in another thread:


They had to ... they were almost overrun by ISIS. Had it not been for the US operating in the Kurds' vicinity because of ISIS, they would have been long gone ... and not just the fighters and any male civilian, but also the women and children.

ISIS had moved into the Kurds' territory.

By 2 October 2014, ISIL succeeded in capturing 350 Kurdish villages and towns within the vicinity of Kobanê,[70] generating a wave of some 300,000 displaced Kurds, who fled across the border into Turkey's Şanlıurfa Province.[71] By January 2015, this had risen to 400,000.[66] The Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) backed by Euphrates Volcano joint operations room, some Free Syrian Army (FSA) reinforcements, heavily armed Peshmerga of the Kurdistan Regional Government, and American and US-allied Arab militaries' airstrikes began to recapture Kobane.

ISIS laid siege to Kobani/Kobane. Had it not been for US air strikes, because we operated in that area, that large city too would have fallen under ISIS control.

In 2015 the US decided to arm and train the Kurdish fighters, who consisted of a gazillion factions, to defeat a common enemy: ISIS.

That enemy is defeated, the battle has been won; but some of those Kurdish factions are also enemies to a NATO partner ... and we sure as hell don't need a war with a NATO partner.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
So America's allies (the Kurds) are now joining forces with America's enemy (Mr. al-Assad), good work on the part of someone, eh wot?
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Not the first time. Kurds and Syrian government forces worked together before.

After all America and its allies support the Rebels, who comprise of 3 main factions. Kurds, non Jihadists and Al Q/ISIS Jihadists. Kurds control the largest part of rebel held areas and the Jihadists control most of the rest. The moderate "good" Rebels control almost nothing. People blame Assad for a lot of ****, but ignore the control of the Rebel areas by "ISIS light" and frankly I would rather have Assad than another religious wack job government. No way in hell a free and democratic Syria would ever happen with the fall of Assad.


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OldFatGuy said:
Try reading Metternich. He had Europe by the balls, one day playing enemies to the brink of war, by allying with one or the other, then changing allies for the next peace, then repeat and rinse, always keeping tiny Austria out of the fray. Metternich, hero of Europe, father of modern diplomacy.
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Yeah, I don;t think that the Kurds are playing both ends against the middle. I think that they are calling in favors perhaps and trying to save themselves through whomever will protect them.
 
PeteEU said:
Not the first time. Kurds and Syrian government forces worked together before.

After all America and its allies support the Rebels, who comprise of 3 main factions. Kurds, non Jihadists and Al Q/ISIS Jihadists. Kurds control the largest part of rebel held areas and the Jihadists control most of the rest. The moderate "good" Rebels control almost nothing. People blame Assad for a lot of ****, but ignore the control of the Rebel areas by "ISIS light" and frankly I would rather have Assad than another religious wack job government. No way in hell a free and democratic Syria would ever happen with the fall of Assad.
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Most people here don't seem to realize that the northern Syrian Kurds existed long before we armed them in 2015. /s
 
Atomic Kid said:
Terrorist threats would be least of your problems if the Soviet- Russian bloc had decided to go to war. Right? The Middle East is a virtual tinderbox now rife with the possibility of a miscalculation resulting in a clash between superpowers.
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And God help us if the impulsive incompetent orange sphincter is still in charge.
 
Barnacle said:
We are literally saving American lives. Let that sink in, liberal warmongers.
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Is that so? You don't think Trump giving Turkey the green light to invade, endangered our troops there that are not allowed to fire a shot?

Are you really this dumb?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Is that so? You don't think Trump giving Turkey the green light to invade, endangered our troops there that are not allowed to fire a shot?
Are you really this dumb?
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Trump didn't give Turkey the green light to invade ... and watch out who you're calling dumb.
 
Barnacle said:
They (the Kurds) never were America's allies ... they fought with the Americans for self-preservation reasons.

I posted the following in another thread:


They had to ... they were almost overrun by ISIS. Had it not been for the US operating in the Kurds' vicinity because of ISIS, they would have been long gone ... and not just the fighters and any male civilian, but also the women and children.

ISIS had moved into the Kurds' territory.

By 2 October 2014, ISIL succeeded in capturing 350 Kurdish villages and towns within the vicinity of Kobanê,[70] generating a wave of some 300,000 displaced Kurds, who fled across the border into Turkey's Şanlıurfa Province.[71] By January 2015, this had risen to 400,000.[66] The Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) backed by Euphrates Volcano joint operations room, some Free Syrian Army (FSA) reinforcements, heavily armed Peshmerga of the Kurdistan Regional Government, and American and US-allied Arab militaries' airstrikes began to recapture Kobane.

ISIS laid siege to Kobani/Kobane. Had it not been for US air strikes, because we operated in that area, that large city too would have fallen under ISIS control.

In 2015 the US decided to arm and train the Kurdish fighters, who consisted of a gazillion factions, to defeat a common enemy: ISIS.

That enemy is defeated, the battle has been won; but some of those Kurdish factions are also enemies to a NATO partner ... and we sure as hell don't need a war with a NATO partner.
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That's really simplistic thinking. The expansionist efforts of an Islamic Caliphate have definitely been stopped, but the problem is the hard fought gains accomplished thus far (mainly by the Kurds on the ground) have all been smashed to bits by the Turkish invasion. If this administration wanted to pull the troops out without creating a power vacuum, they could have worked toward that end. That, however, would have required coordination to ensure you don't end up creating the same chaotic environment that created ISIS.

Pulling troops out without understanding (or perhaps caring) what happens afterwards makes the whole ISIS initiative a potential loss; especially if the region becomes another hotbed for terrorists.

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Do you people suggest staying in there to fight Turkey and Russia????

DAMN!!!!! CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. Ask them to declare war!!!!! Yes you heard me. Ask them to declare war if you want the US to protect a portion of the Syrian population that is being attacked by a NATO Ally.

THe Middle East is a complete cesspool. It has and will continue to be a cesspool. Your amazing fearless leader Obama watched ISIS commit genocide on Yazidi citizens in Northern Iraq and did nothing about it. Clinton lived thru a couple of gruesome genocides. As a matter of fact, the wonderful governments thru out the have been committing atrocities since the beginning of time.

What happened to all the Bush bashing liberals who camped out on front lawns crying for this country to get out of war??? How the F___ did this country get so brainwashed that OUR SOLDIERS are the only ones in the world who should stand in the line of fire for good causes.

STOP IT PLEASE!!!! If you want to cry that the media and Trump are not doing enough to get other countries involved with stopping Turkey, then I am all for that!!!!!
 
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