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World Leaders Unite in Condemnination of Turkey

you can say it. it's pretty obvious that you support Trump causing the Kurds to be slaughtered.

of you can not man up and just pretend they're not being slaughtered. not much honor or integrity in that though.

even for a non Trump voter.

I am being impartial... not defending Trump. I have said nothing about people being slaughtered or not being slaughtered. I asked you a question that is becoming clear that you can not answer... initially I thought that you just did not want to... but not anymore. Your debating skills suck.

How did Trump "cause the slaughter"?
 
I am being impartial... not defending Trump. I have said nothing about people being slaughtered or not being slaughtered. I asked you a question that is becoming clear that you can not answer... initially I thought that you just did not want to... but not anymore. Your debating skills suck.

How did Trump "cause the slaughter"?

so, you're gonna pretend that Trump's pull out isn't causing the slaughter of Kurd (men, women and children).

i actually think that's a good strategy for Trump (and non Trump) supporters. pretending that they're not dying is pretty smart.

i bet that's what Rush and Sean try tomorrow. of course once all the pics come in all you guys will look ignorant.
 
Presidents don't put these plans together... the military does.


That is the point. Trump could have and should have brought in his military experts to get a plan put together.

He did the opposite. Ergodan whispered sweet nothings in his ear and Trump melted, blindsiding his military experts and setting in motion the current humanitarian crisis and what will likely turn into an ISIS resugence.
 
The first statement is good advise, being an internet tough guy is not my aim. I find it pathetic.

Fresh Minty... Fresh.

Fighting tank Abbott would be a huge mistake, I totally agree.

True story too... I noticed Tank eyeballing me at a bar in Huntington Beach... I am a pretty big guy but Tank is a different beast so I told my buds that I was leaving. Tank followed the three of us outside with a friend and my one bud starts making monkey noises and egging on Tank who was trying to catch up to us... he had no idea who he was. One of us said to Buddy #1... 'he can beat all three of us up by himself so we are leaving... if you get stuck you are on your own, we will not help you'. he noted our seriousness so he shut up and we all took off.

That doesn't mean cut and run......which is what we did.

Trump screwed the pooch most completely.

He may well have and I do not agree with ending support to the Kurds at all... they, gaining legitimate status or statehood, could well become the greatest thing to happen to the Middle East
 
That is the point. Trump could have and should have brought in his military experts to get a plan put together.

You think that Trump just up an planned the withdrawal on his own? Oh dear... that is cute. :lol:

He did the opposite. Ergodan whispered sweet nothings in his ear and Trump melted, blindsiding his military experts and setting in motion the current humanitarian crisis and what will likely turn into an ISIS resugence.

Do you think that our military base in Turkey holds significant value... or not?
 
so, you're gonna pretend that Trump's pull out isn't causing the slaughter of Kurd (men, women and children).

So that is your idea of answering a question? Pretty weak... but not at all unexpected.

Trump did not cause the slaughter of these people... the ones slaughtering these people caused the slaughter of these people.

I am old school... I believe in personal responsibility.

Additionally, FDR did not cause the Pearl Harbor attack.... the Japanese did.

i actually think that's a good strategy for Trump (and non Trump) supporters. pretending that they're not dying is pretty smart.

Who is pretending that people are not dying?

i bet that's what Rush and Sean try tomorrow. of course once all the pics come in all you guys will look ignorant.

Rush and Hannity are idiot hacks...
 
So that is your idea of answering a question? Pretty weak... but not at all unexpected.

Trump did not cause the slaughter of these people... the ones slaughtering these people caused the slaughter of these people.

I am old school... I believe in personal responsibility.

Additionally, FDR did not cause the Pearl Harbor attack.... the Japanese did.



Who is pretending that people are not dying?



Rush and Hannity are idiot hacks...

it's all so confusing...

“You are leaving us to be slaughtered,” said Kurdish general Mazloum Kobani in a meeting with American officials."
 
Words are wind.
 
That is the point. Trump could have and should have brought in his military experts to get a plan put together.

He did the opposite. Ergodan whispered sweet nothings in his ear and Trump melted, blindsiding his military experts and setting in motion the current humanitarian crisis and what will likely turn into an ISIS resugence.


Secretary of Defense Mark Esper: "... This is now their third incursion into Syria in the last few years to do this.
...
Yes, I think you got the sequencing in the reverse order. The first thing that we understood, I’ve understood from my counterpart, Secretary Pompeo from his, and certainly from President Erdogan, is they were fully committed to doing this, regardless of what we did.
...
The -- it was clear to me that President Erdogan was committed to coming in. He informed us that he was coming in. He didn’t ask permission. He -- it was clear to me that he was coming in. ..."


SecDef Esper: We're Not Going To Get Into Another Mideast War Against Turkey, A NATO Ally | Video | RealClearPolitics
 
[h=1]World leaders unite in condemnation of Turkey's Syria operation[/h]Several countries said they were concerned that Turkey's offensive could lead to a resurgence of ISIS

LONDON — Governments across the world joined in condemning Turkey's military incursion into northeastern Syria as the conflict ran into its second day.

The European Union's foreign affairs chief, Federica Mogherini, in a statement released by Germany's foreign office, called on Turkey to stop its military action in Syria, to prevent undermining the stability of the region.

"Military action will indeed undermine the security of the coalition's local partners and risk protracted instability in northeast Syria, providing fertile ground for the resurgence of Daesh," she said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State militant group.

World leaders unite in condemnation of Turkey'''s Syria operation

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Erdogan said he's not going to stop. There are reports of human rights violations. Trump has done nothing to stop Erdogan, not even sanctions. I sure hope that Trump has at least rescinded his invitation to Erdogan to visit the White House next month. Trump's intentions here are possibly darker.that anyone could imagine. According to the legislative charter of Turkey, they can't be forced out but can be suspended. Putin wants Turkey to go against NATO. The U.S. has an air base in Turkey. Without Turkey, the U.S. and NATO allies have no influence whatsoever in the Middle East. U.N officials say that more than 130,000 have been displaced in Syria.

MAGA'ts: "Who needs the world? 'Merca!"
 
it's all so confusing...

“You are leaving us to be slaughtered,” said Kurdish general Mazloum Kobani in a meeting with American officials."

Notice how the General did not say that Trump was "causing the slaughter"? That is because the Syrian/Turks are "causing the slaughter"?

So... who is "causing the slaughter"?

and...

Who is pretending that people are not dying... as you claimed?
 
Fresh Minty... Fresh.



True story too... I noticed Tank eyeballing me at a bar in Huntington Beach... I am a pretty big guy but Tank is a different beast so I told my buds that I was leaving. Tank followed the three of us outside with a friend and my one bud starts making monkey noises and egging on Tank who was trying to catch up to us... he had no idea who he was. One of us said to Buddy #1... 'he can beat all three of us up by himself so we are leaving... if you get stuck you are on your own, we will not help you'. he noted our seriousness so he shut up and we all took off.



He may well have and I do not agree with ending support to the Kurds at all... they, gaining legitimate status or statehood, could well become the greatest thing to happen to the Middle East

Lol....how can you take that seriously? I mean the name Minty Fresh hardly invokes fear. Can you imagine saying here comes Minty Fresh in a horrified manner? And the nod to James bond? Clearly I don't take myself to seriously.

Again smart move, and cool story, thanks for sharing it.


There's no reason why we should be there forever, but no reason to cut and run the way we did, that's the only point I got, other than the one on my head that is...lol
 
Why is that beyond the capability of these "condemning" nations' military forces to take over "defending the Kurds" (forever)? Why was it "smart" to for these "condemning" nations to stay on the sidelines and "stupid" for the US to finally join those other nations in doing so?

Why are you so patently ignorant about the benefits achieved by standing by our allies?


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Why are you so patently ignorant about the benefits achieved by standing by our allies?


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Ignorance would have been letting (50?) US soldiers die while standing in the way of a Turkish invasion of northern Syria (involving about 15K troops). What benefits, exactly, would you expect to see in having done that?
 
Had they not done this, wouldn't they have been overrun by ISIS a long time ago?

Remember, the US did not get "involved" with the Syrian Kurds until September 2014 - when ISIS had moved into the Kurds' territory and laid siege to Kobani/Kobane.

The nice part of me would like to say 'good point'. But for the life of me I have no idea what your point is
 
Europeans are good at talking. Doing...not so much.

We are NATO allies with many of those nations and they would have helped in Syria if we asked them to. We had things well in hand with our air power and a few 1000 men. Trump just sent more soldiers to the Saudi dictatorship then he is recalling from Syria. Trump is 100% responsible for every innocent killed in this invasion. It was 100% preventable. Only a man devoid of all empathy could stomach such a stain. Stop being complicit with this behavior. America uses it's blood and treasure to stop genocide and giving this one a green light is also a stain on us all.

U.S. officials told NBC News that the decision to move troops out was largely because Turkish military and proxy forces had set up more checkpoints on the crucial M4 Highway, cutting off the U.S. military's ability to move safely in the northeast and without coming into contact with the Turkish forces or their proxies.

The officials said it was increasingly clear that the Turkish forces were trying to drive the Americans away.

'Chaos in the camp'
Trump has largely stood by his decision to pull U.S. troops back to clear the way for Turkish forces, despite growing chaos in the wake of their advance.

U.S. allies have urged an end to the Turkish invasion, which has sparked fears of a renewed humanitarian crisis in the region and a resurgent ISIS threat.



Will Trump’s withdrawal from Syria backfire?
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Trump said Sunday that it was "very smart not to be involved in the intense fighting along the Turkish Border, for a change."


Donald J. Trump

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Do you remember two years ago when Iraq was going to fight the Kurds in a different part of Syria. Many people wanted us to fight with the Kurds against Iraq, who we just fought for. I said no, and the Kurds left the fight, twice. Now the same thing is happening with Turkey......


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
.....The Kurds and Turkey have been fighting for many years. Turkey considers the PKK the worst terrorists of all. Others may want to come in and fight for one side or the other. Let them! We are monitoring the situation closely. Endless Wars!

U.S. troops to withdraw from northern Syria as ISIS supporters escape amid alleged Turkish atrocities
 
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Europeans are good at talking. Doing...not so much.

NATO has only once acted on It's mutual defense pact. Guess when that happened.
Here's a hint- two Portugese soldiers died because America was attacked. Two Latvians too. Can you guess now when was the only time NATO defended one of It's own?
 
NATO has only once acted on It's mutual defense pact. Guess when that happened.
Here's a hint- two Portugese soldiers died because America was attacked. Two Latvians too. Can you guess now when was the only time NATO defended one of It's own?

Irrelevant.

I've said nothing about NATO. I'm talking about the EU. You DO know the difference, right?
 
[h=1]World leaders unite in condemnation of Turkey's Syria operation[/h]Several countries said they were concerned that Turkey's offensive could lead to a resurgence of ISIS

LONDON — Governments across the world joined in condemning Turkey's military incursion into northeastern Syria as the conflict ran into its second day.

The European Union's foreign affairs chief, Federica Mogherini, in a statement released by Germany's foreign office, called on Turkey to stop its military action in Syria, to prevent undermining the stability of the region.

"Military action will indeed undermine the security of the coalition's local partners and risk protracted instability in northeast Syria, providing fertile ground for the resurgence of Daesh," she said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State militant group.

World leaders unite in condemnation of Turkey'''s Syria operation

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Erdogan said he's not going to stop. There are reports of human rights violations. Trump has done nothing to stop Erdogan, not even sanctions. I sure hope that Trump has at least rescinded his invitation to Erdogan to visit the White House next month. Trump's intentions here are possibly darker.that anyone could imagine. According to the legislative charter of Turkey, they can't be forced out but can be suspended. Putin wants Turkey to go against NATO. The U.S. has an air base in Turkey. Without Turkey, the U.S. and NATO allies have no influence whatsoever in the Middle East. U.N officials say that more than 130,000 have been displaced in Syria.

SO where is NATO to stop this. that is why we pay NATO dues. that is the whole point of NATO.
What do you want trump to do? There is no declaration of war so we cannot actively send in troops against
an ally.

maybe all of these countries should do something besides grand standing.
 
Place 50 of their troops (with support) in harms way to help defend the Kurds which is about what Trump removed.

Was there any report with how many troops trump removed? if it was 50 i could see why he moved them and what are 50 troops going to do against the turkey national army.
 
The nice part of me would like to say 'good point'. But for the life of me I have no idea what your point is

Her point is that the US was never in it to "protect the Kurds". It was always about "defeating ISIS".

The Kurds had their issues with Syria and Turkey before ISIS...the US didn't get involved. Now that ISIS has been beaten back, the Kurds are back where they were before...on their own.

The US doesn't have any obligation to "protect the Kurds" and the US is not at fault if the Kurds are targeted by Turkey, if the Kurds made a deal with Syria or if Syria and Turkey fight each other. They are all doing that on their own.
 
No need to if we hadn't been stupid and withdrawn. We didn't even have troops on the fighting line, we were training Kurds and not engaged in battle

From my understanding there was only about 50 troops that were moved. not a division. what are 50 troops going to do against a bombing campaign of the turkish national force?
you people think there was an entire division with heavy artillery and other support on hand there wasn't.

lack of facts and information show you to be wrong again.
Umm our troops were there to fight ISIS not the turkey national army.

to fight them we would have declared war on turkey an ally.
that would have required a vote from congress.
 
From my understanding there was only about 50 troops that were moved. not a division. what are 50 troops going to do against a bombing campaign of the turkish national force?
you people think there was an entire division with heavy artillery and other support on hand there wasn't.

lack of facts and information show you to be wrong again.
Umm our troops were there to fight ISIS not the turkey national army.

to fight them we would have declared war on turkey an ally.
that would have required a vote from congress.

The Trump haters don't need facts...they just need their TDS and they have an abundance of that.
 
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