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World Leaders Unite in Condemnination of Turkey

CaughtInThe said:
Well, the children are actually being slaughtered. That's real.

Are you for or against 3yo boys being slaughtered?
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Answer the question. How did Trump "cause the slaughter"?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Answer the question. How did Trump "cause the slaughter"?
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By not planning this out and making sure that the slaughter did happen. He could have actually come up with a plan.

Are you for or against teenage girls being slaughtered?
 
CaughtInThe said:
By not planning this out and making sure that the slaughter did happen. He could have actually come up with a plan.
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So all slaughters around the world where US Troops are not present are Trump's fault? Because that is your logic.

Are you for or against teenage girls being slaughtered?
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Why do you keep asking stupid questions?

Are you for child molestation. YES OR NO!!

See... it is a pathetic attempt to take a morally superior position.
 
Mycroft said:
We never should have taken the job as zookeepers (thanks for nothing, Obama). Trump has removed us from that role. Now Syria, Russia, the Kurds...and the EU, if they'll ever pony up for their protection...can deal with the big cat from Turkey.

We are out of it.
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I stand by my post and care not what some back stabbing sissy president says
 
Bodhisattva said:
So all slaughters around the world where US Troops are not present are Trump's fault? Because that is your logic.



Why do you keep asking stupid questions?

Are you for child molestation. YES OR NO!!

See... it is a pathetic attempt to take a morally superior position.
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It's not our fault that you voted for a person who is not a good executive. A person who doesn't know how to put together a plan so that our allies don't get slaughtered.

These people helped us, and many lost their lives, fighting ISIS. We made them promises and then a really bad American won the presidency and made a decision that got them slaughtered. All he had to do was bring in intelligent people and come up with an exit strategy so they didn't get men, women and children killed all in a week or three.

I'm against child molestation. Are you against 5 year old boys being slaughtered?
 
CaughtInThe said:
It's not our fault that you voted for a person who is not a good executive.
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I did not vote for Trump. Does that ruin your world view... it should at least expand it.

A person who doesn't know how to put together a plan so that our allies don't get slaughtered.
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Presidents don't put these plans together... the military does.

These people helped us, and many lost their lives, fighting ISIS. We made them promises and then a really bad American won the presidency and made a decision that got them slaughtered.
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A previous administration promised them... Trump ran on a platform of getting us out of foreign conflicts and he is doing that.

All he had to do was bring in intelligent people and come up with an exit strategy so they didn't get men, women and children killed all in a week or three.
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So an exit strategy, in which the USA is not present there any more... would stop slaughters once we were gone?

I'm against child molestation. Are you against 5 year old boys being slaughtered?
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Do you not understand why your question is immature, rude and pathetic? Is it some form of trolling? Is it meant to be shocking? Can I ask you before I answer if I am against children being slaughtered... which children are being slaughtered?
 
Minty_fresh said:
I stand by my post and care not what some back stabbing sissy president says
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Obama certainly did stab them in the back... making promises that he could not keep can do that.
 
Minty_fresh said:
Personally if you fight and die along with me I believe in doing the same until the bloody end. I don't cut and run on allies.
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What fights have you been in where this comment is relevant?
 
Minty_fresh said:
That **** won't work. It's cowards talk.
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Making promises that he couldn't keep is cowards talk or what I said is cowards talk... you need to communicate more clearly.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What fights have you been in where this comment is relevant?
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Non of your business, it's not the point. Do you turn your back on your friends? And if the Kurds, then who else are we going to bail on? And why.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I did not vote for Trump. Does that ruin your world view... it should at least expand it.



Presidents don't put these plans together... the military does.



A previous administration promised them... Trump ran on a platform of getting us out of foreign conflicts and he is doing that.



So an exit strategy, in which the USA is not present there any more... would stop slaughters once we were gone?



Do you not understand why your question is immature, rude and pathetic? Is it some form of trolling? Is it meant to be shocking? Can I ask you before I answer if I am against children being slaughtered... which children are being slaughtered?
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let's solve this first.

do you support Donald Trump?
 
Minty_fresh said:
Non of your business, it's not the point.
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Then don't make bold statements like that... sounds like a lot of hot air, Internet Tough Guy stuff as a result.

Do you turn your back on your friends?
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It would depend on the circumstances... almost did once when my friend wanted to fight Tank Abbott and his buddy at a bar.

And if the Kurds, then who else are we going to bail on? And why.
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So we need to stay in the Middle East forever? The Kurds are not getting their own country and terrorism is rooted deep there.
 
HumblePi said:
... Any sanctions that Trump puts on Turkey would of course be honored by sanctions from our NATO allies. ...
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Exactly WHY would "of course" apply?

Would it apply because the US would impose crushing sanctions on any country that does NOT do exactly what Mr. Trump orders it to do?

HumblePi said:
Germany's sanctions would do a great deal of damage to Turkey's economy. This is why Germany is considered to be a “soft power” meaning they are a powerhouse not due to their military might but due to their economic strength.
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Germany's sanctions (if they happened) might well do considerable damage to Turkey's economy. In fact they would do more damage than America's sanctions (per se) would do. On the other hand, since the US (read as "Donald John Trump") is quite capable of imposing crippling sanctions on any country it feels like, for whatever reason it feels like doing so the INDIRECT American sanctions would probably hurt more.
 
CaughtInThe said:
let's solve this first.

do you support Donald Trump?
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On some things yes... on some things no... as should all reasonable, non-partisan people.

Sounds like you are pretty partisan though... do you support The Donald?
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]World leaders unite in condemnation of Turkey's Syria operation[/h]Several countries said they were concerned that Turkey's offensive could lead to a resurgence of ISIS

LONDON — Governments across the world joined in condemning Turkey's military incursion into northeastern Syria as the conflict ran into its second day.

The European Union's foreign affairs chief, Federica Mogherini, in a statement released by Germany's foreign office, called on Turkey to stop its military action in Syria, to prevent undermining the stability of the region.

"Military action will indeed undermine the security of the coalition's local partners and risk protracted instability in northeast Syria, providing fertile ground for the resurgence of Daesh," she said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State militant group.

World leaders unite in condemnation of Turkey'''s Syria operation

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Erdogan said he's not going to stop. There are reports of human rights violations. Trump has done nothing to stop Erdogan, not even sanctions. I sure hope that Trump has at least rescinded his invitation to Erdogan to visit the White House next month. Trump's intentions here are possibly darker.that anyone could imagine. According to the legislative charter of Turkey, they can't be forced out but can be suspended. Putin wants Turkey to go against NATO. The U.S. has an air base in Turkey. Without Turkey, the U.S. and NATO allies have no influence whatsoever in the Middle East. U.N officials say that more than 130,000 have been displaced in Syria.
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yes, I am sure they sent a very stern letter.
 
Bodhisattva said:
On some things yes... on some things no... as should all reasonable, non-partisan people.

Sounds like you are pretty partisan though... do you support The Donald?
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do you support Donald Trump leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered (men, women and children)?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Making promises that he couldn't keep is cowards talk or what I said is cowards talk... you need to communicate more clearly.
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I was speaking to your rationalization. It's the stuff ya say when trying to save face.I'm not into that. And Obama has nothing to do with Trump's decision to cut and run.
 
CaughtInThe said:
do you support Donald Trump leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered (men, women and children)?
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I answered your question, even though you did not answer the one that I poised first... and here you go asking more questions, being rude, btw.

How did Trump "cause the slaughter"?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I answered your question, even though you did not answer the one that I poised first... and here you go asking more questions, being rude, btw.

How did Trump "cause the slaughter"?
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you can say it. it's pretty obvious that you support Trump causing the Kurds to be slaughtered.

or you can not man up and just pretend they're not being slaughtered. not much honor or integrity in that though.

even for a non Trump voter.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
No need for any of this if Trump had not withdrawn the small US blocking force in northern Syria.
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The Europeans can provide those if they wish.
 
Minty_fresh said:
I was speaking to your rationalization. It's the stuff ya say when trying to save face.I'm not into that.
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What rationalization? Obama made the promise to help the Kurds. How is that trying to save face (how that applies to anything that I have said is also a mystery). You need to communicate even more clearly, my friend, because what you are saying is not clear.

And Obama has nothing to do with Trump's decision to cut and run.
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Correct. But that was not the issue. The issue is who made the promise... and that was Obama. Trump is not beholden to the promise of the previous administration... a lesson that many of learned with how successive Presidents mishandled the Vietnam War.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I did not vote for Trump. Does that ruin your world view... it should at least expand it.



Presidents don't put these plans together... the military does.



A previous administration promised them... Trump ran on a platform of getting us out of foreign conflicts and he is doing that.



So an exit strategy, in which the USA is not present there any more... would stop slaughters once we were gone?



Do you not understand why your question is immature, rude and pathetic? Is it some form of trolling? Is it meant to be shocking? Can I ask you before I answer if I am against children being slaughtered... which children are being slaughtered?
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It's too bad that Col Charles Augustus Lindbergh (MoH, DFC, CGM) is dead because he and Mr. Trump would see eye to eye on what America should do about "insane" movements that indulge in mass murder.

(If you don't know how strongly Col Lindbergh felt about the US doing everything that it could possibly do to stop the Nazis, I suggest that you look it up. BTW, Col Lindbergh had the same views on the sanctity of marriage and a father's obligation to support his children as Mr. Trump does as well.)
 
Bodhisattva said:
Then don't make bold statements like that... sounds like a lot of hot air, Internet Tough Guy stuff as a result.



It would depend on the circumstances... almost did once when my friend wanted to fight Tank Abbott and his buddy at a bar.



So we need to stay in the Middle East forever? The Kurds are not getting their own country and terrorism is rooted deep there.
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The first statement is good advise, being an internet tough guy is not my aim. I find it pathetic.

Fighting tank Abbott would be a huge mistake, I totally agree.


That doesn't mean cut and run......which is what we did.

Trump screwed the pooch most completely.
 
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