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Trump’s envoy to testify that ‘no quid pro quo’ came from Trump

SLC said:
What the call record said what Volker said what the Ukraine president said all match up. Unlike those people inflicted with TDS I can read the transcript. I don't need to be spoon fed Sack of Schiff lying version or the phone call. Sack of Schiff knew the phone call didn't have a Quid Pro Quo so he made up a lie instead. Pathetic. :lol:
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For the record, the request for Ukraine to investigate Biden was corrupt with or without an explicit quid pro quo. Fact is they were and are dependent on U.S. support, and so President asking them a "favor" comes with it an immense pressure to do that corrupt favor, which is put a political rival under investigation. It matters very little if that "favor" was directly tied to that support. Asking it was the corrupt act - period.
 
Athanasius68 said:
So now we are accusing the government of Ukraine of lying?
The president of Ukraine has already said he had no idea that aid was withheld, didn't feel threatened by the discussion. And the aid was released.
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Of course he's lying. Unless his entire team is unbelievably (in the literal sense) incompetent, they know the status of the $400 million and the promised weapons, where it is, why it's being withheld, who's holding it, etc. if not on a daily basis, weekly or so, and getting updates, and asking Sondland and Volker and Bill Taylor what they need to do, who can they call, which Senators/Reps are on their side and can they help, etc.

Put it this way, if you're waiting on a bank loan that will make or break your company, do you just assume it's all good as the months go by after the bank approves your loan and you still don't have your money? No, no one is that dumb.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Are you SURE you want to make that argument?
Seems kind of risky on your end.

As an aside, all negotiations involve quid pro quos. Nothing wrong with putting the screws, as a matter of principle, to get what one wants.

BTW-- Thank you for confirming that Trump did have the right to hold up the aid. A few days ago, some people hereabouts were screaming that this was also an impeachable offense (withholding of Congrsssionally appropriated funds).
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True as long as the quid isn't corrupt...

But it is comforting we're at the point of the narrative where it's:

1) What quid pro quo?
...
9) Of course there was a quid pro quo and of course Trump wanted Biden investigated or else no aid! So what?!!
 
Re: Trump’s envoy to testify that ‘no quid pro quo’ came from Trump

SLC said:
Ukraine and the US have a treaty that requires help on investigation of crimes and potential crimes. Trump had a responsiblity to investigate what appears to be a crime.


Gregg Jarrett: Ukraine is just the latest ploy in '''witch hunt''' to drive Trump from White House | Fox News

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/12978-Ukraine-Law-Enforcement-MLAT-7.22.1998.pdf
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It's been said 100 times but that treaty is not relevant here, because that treaty does not include an obligation to work with Trump's personal attorney on an official U.S. investigation that does not, so far as we know, exist into Trump's likely 2020 opponent in the presidential election.
 
JasperL said:
For the record, the request for Ukraine to investigate Biden was corrupt with or without an explicit quid pro quo. Fact is they were and are dependent on U.S. support, and so President asking them a "favor" comes with it an immense pressure to do that corrupt favor, which is put a political rival under investigation. It matters very little if that "favor" was directly tied to that support. Asking it was the corrupt act - period.
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JasperL said:
Sorry but I'm not sure what your picture of Trump is supposed to say. He's wrong? He looks like an idiot? Both are true, but...:confused:
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Your confusion is not surprising.
 
Aberration said:
Did you expect your confusion to be any more surprising?
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Well, if you're not surprised as to why your presence on a debate forum confuses me, it means your just a troll.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

So now the media is spinning the testimony BEFORE it's even presented. This has to be the ultimate in cherry-picked testimony.

Oh well, we know that Schiffty won't release the full transcript of the hearing...just like he refused to release the full transcript of ever single previous hearing.
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exactly

GOP lawmaker: Democrats cherry-picking what to leak in impeachment inquiry | TheHill

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) slammed Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) for his handling of the impeachment inquiry, saying the process is filled with "cherry-picked leaks, withholding of key facts and ... lying."

"Something that I find outrageous is the cherry-picked leaks, the withholding of key facts and the lying about other claims that's misleading the American public," Zeldin said.

as said the whole thing is a bust and a farce and nothing more than a witch trial.
 
ludin said:
exactly

GOP lawmaker: Democrats cherry-picking what to leak in impeachment inquiry | TheHill

Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) slammed Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) for his handling of the impeachment inquiry, saying the process is filled with "cherry-picked leaks, withholding of key facts and ... lying."

"Something that I find outrageous is the cherry-picked leaks, the withholding of key facts and the lying about other claims that's misleading the American public," Zeldin said.

as said the whole thing is a bust and a farce and nothing more than a witch trial.
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Awww, and he wants subpoena power too? Adorable.

In 2015, Republicans expanded the committee chair's subpoena powers, permanently giving them the sort of power that was previously reserved for impeachment, then they tried to use that as a weapon to investigate the Obama admin.

And they ****ing whiffed.
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ludin said:
Yep again facts are facts and you can't deal with the facts.
why does that not surprise me.
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What facts are those? Republicans are just pissed because there's nothing they can leak to support their narrative.
 
HAL9000 said:
What facts are those? Republicans are just pissed because there's nothing they can leak to support their narrative.
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Read the story. It was pretty self evident. schiff is a liar and creating a false narrative.
Fascist leftist refuse due process and transparency in this process.

doesn't surprise me that you would ignore this though.
 
ludin said:
Read the story. It was pretty self evident. schiff is a liar and creating a false narrative.
Fascist leftist refuse due process and transparency in this process.

doesn't surprise me that you would ignore this though.
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Nope, you're talking about a party that leaked stuff from the Intel committee to tip off Trump. Nunes even tried to make a secret trip to the White House in 2017.

Republicans aren't leaking because an extensive criminal conspiracy is unfurling, and Trump is at the center of swirling flaming toilet bowl filled with **** and gasoline and they're trying to contain it. Doesn't surprise me that you would ignore this though.

I have no sympathy left. It's only fair, but I really hope it feels unfair.
 
Cant beat fresh fish. Cant even buy it.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Are you SURE you want to make that argument?
Seems kind of risky on your end.

As an aside, all negotiations involve quid pro quos. Nothing wrong with putting the screws, as a matter of principle, to get what one wants.

BTW-- Thank you for confirming that Trump did have the right to hold up the aid. A few days ago, some people hereabouts were screaming that this was also an impeachable offense (withholding of Congrsssionally appropriated funds).
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As an 'aside to your aside' -- There are legal quid pro quo made in government such as,"You have to do this for your country and our country". That's a legal quid pro quo. But this one was this one was "You have to do something for me and my campaign". That's clearly an illegal quid pro quo.
 
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