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Giuliani consulted on Ukraine with imprisoned Paul Manafort via a lawyer

GDViking said:
If I am ever on trial for committing a crime I want you on my jury...
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Yes you do because i wont let you be unfairly convicted. Thank you for the compliment.

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Two foreign thugs wanted to oust a very reputable US Ambassador for no reason....so why didn't the State Department defend her?
 
trouble13 said:
You have not outlined a crime

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Oh, maybe you didn't read the first article, I should have suspected you'd be too lazy for that, gotta hold your hand huh?

"At and around the same time PARNAS and FRUMAN committed to raising those funds for Congressman-1 PARNAS met with Congressman-1 and sought his assistance in causing the U.S. government to remove or recall the then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine. PARNAS's efforts to remove the ambassador were conducted, at least in part, at the request of one or more Ukrainian government officials." Parnas Fruman indictment
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So what you're suggesting is, that Rudy is Parnas' and Fruman's lawyer, and that Parnas and Fruman bribe Pete Sessions, and they all go to Trump(At the urging of Lutsenko, when Rudy is relying on Lutsenko to reopen the investigation into Biden, and Parnas and Fruman have illegally funnelled $325,000 of foreign money into a Pro-Trump SuperPAC), and they all get together here,
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and they pressure Trump to remove and ambassador, and he does. But Rudy doesn't know about any of the wrongdoing(not to mention that Trump is obviously too stupid to be anything but innocently oblivious)?

Are you ****ing kidding me?
 
HAL9000 said:
Oh, maybe you didn't read the first article, I should have suspected you'd be too lazy for that, gotta hold your hand huh?



So what you're suggesting is, that Rudy is Parnas' and Fruman's lawyer, and that Parnas and Fruman bribe Pete Sessions, and they all go to Trump(At the urging of Lutsenko, when Rudy is relying on Lutsenko to reopen the investigation into Biden, and Parnas and Fruman have illegally funnelled $325,000 of foreign money into a Pro-Trump SuperPAC), and they all get together here,
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and they pressure Trump to remove and ambassador, and he does. But Rudy doesn't know about any of the wrongdoing(not to mention that Trump is obviously too stupid to be anything but innocently oblivious)?

Are you ****ing kidding me?
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The problem here is that she was an outspoken anti-trump obama holdover. Is it really surprising she was removed from her post.

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lemmiwinx said:
You alway assume the worst about people maybe Rudy's just trying to uncover the truth. It's possible.
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It is also possible that he was trying to track down the secret black ledger to prove Chemtrails are real.
I mean he was chasing one conspiracy theory, why not another?
 
lemmiwinx said:
Some of us think Giuliani exemplifies what's left of old style America. Him and Clint Eastwood still going strong at 89 yrs old.
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Yeah, and like Rudy, Clint made a fool of himself for the Republican cause.
 
trouble13 said:
The problem here is that she was an outspoken anti-trump obama holdover. Is it really surprising she was removed from her post.

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But she wasn't really an Obama hold over, since she started before the Obama Admin.
No Obama cookie for you.
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trouble13 said:
The problem here is that she was an outspoken anti-trump obama holdover. Is it really surprising she was removed from her post.

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Umm... she started working for the State Department while Reagan was in office and she was appointed to two ambassadorships by George W. Bush. So what are you even talking about? Their cover story is horse ****.
 
Pound4abrown said:
Just wait a few weeks, you may be able to.
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I still don't see how Rudy communicating with Manafort is some kind of crime. I think he's just tying up a few loose ends before the storm hits the Democrats for all their misdeeds during the Obama admin.
 
HAL9000 said:
Umm... she started working for the State Department while Reagan was in office and she was appointed to two ambassadorships by George W. Bush. So what are you even talking about? Their cover story is horse ****.
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That does not change the fact that she was the ambassador under obama who openly did not like trump. Is it really surprising that he would replace her with someone else.

She may of been a fantastic ambassador in the past but if she is resistant to the current administrations agenda she is no longer a valued asset. It doesnt even matter if she has done anything wrong or not. She isnt useful in that position any longer.

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Pound4abrown said:
But she wasn't really an Obama hold over, since she started before the Obama Admin.
No Obama cookie for you.
:sad trombone:
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When she started is irrelevant. She was the ambassador under the previous administration. She is a holdover.

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lemmiwinx said:
Two people can't talk with each other though one of them is in prison for personal financial dealings nothing to do with anything? I fail to see a problem here.

Manafort is in prison because he was Trump's campaign manager so the FBI investigated him and found some crimes in his past before he ever worked for Trump. This is what it's come to in politics with the FBI and CIA getting involved.
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Don’t twist your neck looking the other way either!


Manafort was installed as campaign manager in the Spring of 2016. A lot of Washington watchers (including me) were disturbed at his appointment. His activities in Ukraine on behalf of Moscow’s man Victor Yamokovich were fairly well known. How a fool like Trump would pick a campaign manager with this much baggage was beyond most of us. But the fact that Manafort and Roger Stone had once been business partners (and therefore that Trump had known him for years, and clearly lied about not knowing him)

Manaforlt’s convictions related directly to his work in Ukraine for Yanokovich.

This is what it comes to when you have bag men and guys tied to Moscow going around with these taxi cab medallion creeps that Trump has around him.
 
trouble13 said:
That does not change the fact that she was the ambassador under obama who openly did not like trump. Is it really surprising that he would replace her with someone else.

She may of been a fantastic ambassador in the past but if she is resistant to the current administrations agenda she is no longer a valued asset. It doesnt even matter if she has done anything wrong or not. She isnt useful in that position any longer.

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She's resistant to the current administrations agenda in that she didn't want them doing crimes. Which is why they had to use bribery to get her out. The next ambassador to Ukraine was a Trump appointee, what did he have to say?

"As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign." - Bill Taylor
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Pound4abrown said:
Just wait a few weeks, you may be able to.
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TomFitz said:
Don’t twist your neck looking the other way either!


Manafort was installed as campaign manager in the Spring of 2016. A lot of Washington watchers (including me) were disturbed at his appointment. His activities in Ukraine on behalf of Moscow’s man Victor Yamokovich were fairly well known. How a fool like Trump would pick a campaign manager with this much baggage was beyond most of us. But the fact that Manafort and Roger Stone had once been business partners (and therefore that Trump had known him for years, and clearly lied about not knowing him)

Manaforlt’s convictions related directly to his work in Ukraine for Yanokovich.

This is what it comes to when you have bag men and guys tied to Moscow going around with these taxi cab medallion creeps that Trump has around him.
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Manafort was installed? I quit reading right there. Manafort was appointed and all the people who were shocked by his appointment were Never Trumpers. And the oh so peaceful coup d'état continues.
 
trouble13 said:
That does not change the fact that she was the ambassador under obama who openly did not like trump. Is it really surprising that he would replace her with someone else.

She may of been a fantastic ambassador in the past but if she is resistant to the current administrations agenda she is no longer a valued asset. It doesnt even matter if she has done anything wrong or not. She isnt useful in that position any longer.

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There aren't many jobs where you can bad mouth your boss and still stay employed.
 
HAL9000 said:
She's resistant to the current administrations agenda in that she didn't want them doing crimes. Which is why they had to use bribery to get her out. The next ambassador to Ukraine was a Trump appointee, what did he have to say?
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Believe what you want. Theres really nothing more i can tell you at this point.

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SLC said:
There aren't many jobs where you can bad mouth your boss and still stay employed.
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trouble13 said:
Believe what you want. Theres really nothing more i can tell you at this point.

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No seriously, who has said she was badmouthing Trump? Tell me that.
 
trouble13 said:
The problem here is that she was an outspoken anti-trump obama holdover. Is it really surprising she was removed from her post.

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There are allegations that she was having reporters communications in the Ukraine monitored.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Manafort is in prison because he was Trump's campaign manager so the FBI investigated him and found some crimes in his past before he ever worked for Trump. This is what it's come to in politics with the FBI and CIA getting involved.
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Iirc, Manafort was indicted and convicted for criminal activity which went on "at least through 2016"
ymmv
 
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