So he can't tell the truth when Trump and Volker and the transcript all agree with the fact that he wasn't extorted. Damn you make it hard to prove anything.What else is he going to say—"the President of the United States extorted me"?
Right. There was no quid pro quo, and Santa Claus is real, too. We'll be hearing more about the previous administration, for those of us who read and listen.
What else is he going to say—"the President of the United States extorted me"?
So he can't tell the truth when Trump and Volker and the transcript all agree with the fact that he wasn't extorted. Damn you make it hard to prove anything.
Sure, he could say that and then he risks Trump, who is well known as a vindictive asshole - he brags about it in his books, see also, Romney, or anyone who crosses him publicly, pulls support for Ukraine, and Trump might be President for another 5 years.
Not to mention, agreeing that he bowed to pressure from the U.S. makes Zelenskyy look weak domestically and on the international stage. So there's exactly ZERO incentive for him to admit to it.
Please see post #32. Time to put up, or shut up, as they say. Let's see some of this supposedly damning evidence, and let's see the complete transcripts of closed door intelligence hearings from Schiff. I'm not interested in snipped parts made by rabid partisans and the usual absolute **** from Schiff. I'm still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertible evidence of collusion that Mueller didn't find. Where is it? You got it?
That would be very convincing if it weren't for the fact that we have text messages (from an encrypted app, so as to try and hide these communications) that show explicitly that there was black mail, a republican senator admitted that one of the officials told him we were holding up aid in exchange for political investigations, we have a memo of a call that shows that the president wanted a "a favor though" when discussing military purchases for Ukraine that would require our aid to be sent etc. etc. etc.
The ukrainian president doesn't want to piss off trump cause he has Russians lined up on his borders and in his country in some parts. And he knows the president is incredibly spiteful and morally corrupt. So he can't call him out. It's the same reason that he had to mention to Trump that he stayed at one of his hotels. Because he knows how corrupt and absolutely unfit Trump is.
It sho-nuff staring you in the face. Why are you ignoring what Sounland said ??The evidence is staring you in the face. All you have to do is open your eyes.
And I can't address #32 because Obama never called up a foreign country, gave his personal lawyer the authority of AG, to work with any foreign country to investigate anyone. If that wasn't the BOTHSIDES BUTWHATABOUTOBAMA you were hoping for, you'll have to explain and be specific.
It sho-nuff staring you in the face. Why are you ignoring what Sounland said ??
“I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind.”
Andrey Yermak
5:42 p.m.
Once we have a date, will call for a press briefing, announcing upcoming visit and outlining vision for the reboot of US*-UKRAINE relationship, including among other things Burisma and election meddling in investigations
Kurt Volker
10:26 a.m.
Special attention should be paid to the problem of interference in the political processes of the United States especially with the alleged involvement of some Ukrainian politicians. I want to declare that this is unacceptable. We intend to initiate and complete a transparent and unbiased investigation of all available facts and episodes, including those involving Burisma and the 2016 U.S. elections, which in tum will prevent the recurrence of this problem in the future.
Gordon Sondland
3:06 p.m.
Do we still want Ze to give us an unequivocal draft with 2016 and Boresma?
Kurt Volker
4:34 p.m.
That’s the clear message so far ...
Kurt Volker
4:34 p.m.
I'm hoping we can put something out there that causes him to respond with that
Gordon Sondland
4:41 p.m.
Unless you think otherwise I will return Andreys call tomorrow and suggest they send us a clean draft.
Bill Taylor
12:08 p.m.
Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?
Gordon Sondland
12:42 p.m.
Call me
Bill Taylor
12:31 a.m.
The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.
Bill Taylor
12:34 a.m.
Counting on you to be right about this interview, Gordon.
Gordon Sondland
12:37 a.m.
Bill, I never said I was "right". I said we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Lets hope it works.
Bill Taylor
12:47 a.m.
As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.
Gordon Sondland
5:19 a.m.
Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or S a call to discuss them directly. Thanks.
The ukrainian president doesn't want to piss off trump cause he has Russians lined up on his borders and in his country in some parts. .
Ukraine president says '''no blackmail''' in phone call with Trump | Fox News
Does anyone besides me think the Democrats should get off their asses, take the VOTE or go home? Since President Zelensky said there were no bribes, blackmail or quid pro quo, kind of hard for Democrats to spin a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
So do we have the messages or not? Are you referencing the memo from Schiff and Cummings?
It sho-nuff staring you in the face. Why are you ignoring what Sounland said ??
“I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind.”
they should just drop the whole thing. they have egg all over their faces because once again they listened to slimy schiff.
I keep wondering how they delude themselves into believing that theirs is a winning strategy.
So he can't tell the truth when Trump and Volker and the transcript all agree with the fact that he wasn't extorted. Damn you make it hard to prove anything.
leftism doesn't allow for much critical thinking. the entire leftist argument is just one huge appeal to emotion argument after another.
i honestly think that is why most leftists are so miserable and not that happy. it is simply a ton of energy and emotion wound up to constantly
engage in said fallacies all the time.
The leftist have abandoned logic and reason a long time ago. they will run off a cliff and plunge into the ocean before they just admit they were wrong.
because to let go of their appeal to emotion they simply don't have anything else to go off of.
This thread surely is proof of the above... I've never seen anything quite like it.
Because you can find them if you're interested....
No, of course there was a "quid pro quo" with Biden, but calling it that doesn't make it illegal or improper in any way. We do "quid pro quos" in foreign policy constantly - that's much of what foreign policy is. Any trade agreement is about 1,000 different quid pro quos. When we engage in any negotiation with a foreign government, we HOPE the end result of those negotiations IS A QUID PRO QUO. We agree to this, and in exchange, you agree to that... A house sale - you've probably done that - is a quid pro quo.
You guys are trying to just both sides it with this crap - he did a quid pro quo, TOO - and it's not going to work. The quid and the quo actually DO matter here. Here the quid was money and support for Ukraine Trump was blocking and the quo was for this corrupt foreign hellhole country to investigate Biden (likely 2020 Democratic nominee for POTUS) and the servers.
LOL. Don't believe all the transcripts and texts. (Edit: And oh yes, the real time concern expressed by the GOP senator Ron Johnson -- thanks, roughdraft)
Just take the word of the man whose country's national security is being held hostage. Zelinksky is the roughed-up woman who is standing behind the cracked-open door telling the police, "no, I'm alright, you can go away now", while a man is standing behind the door just out-of-sight holding a gun to her head and her children are bound and gagged in the next room.
That wasn't the point, you know it. Don't lecturr me on how foreign policy is conducted.
It was a quid pro quo for personal gain. I thought thst was understood. It should've been without me having to voice it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. There is no defense for Biden's actions, so you launched a pointless ramble.
Heh. Go ahead and post the complete transcript of Schiff's hearing then. I'm so pleased you found it.