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Ukraine president says 'no blackmail' in phone call with Trump

I didn't see any mention of a quid pro quo in the text I provided above.

The text you posted literally says "I think it's crazy to withhold assistance for help with a political campaign". That's quid pro quo. Quid pro quo means literally "this for that". To say it doesn't mention it is denying reality.
 
So more rumor and hearsay. Hauntingly like Blasey-Ford testimony.

Rumor and hearsay? Lol, this is amazing. A text message from one of the guys is "I don't think we should doing this very illegal thing" and you think it's hearsay. I'm guessing you think OJ's book "if I did it" was a a complete work of fiction as well?
 
So more rumor and hearsay. Hauntingly like Blasey-Ford testimony.

The transcript of the phone call and the texts aren't rumor or hearsay, nor is the fact that Trump blocked the money supported by NSA, State, Pentagon, for reasons that kept changing, or that Rudy told us over and over he was working as Trump's agent to get them to investigate Biden. He's proud of telling us this, and proud to tell us that it's all about how these investigations would help Trump and "may" benefit the U.S.
 
You're trying to get off topic. Not falling for it.

You brought up messages. I asked where we could read the messages. You tell me I'm taking things off topic.

OK. I'll back off. God only knows we don't need documentation as long as the accusations are good enough.
 
Rumor and hearsay? Lol, this is amazing. A text message from one of the guys is "I don't think we should doing this very illegal thing" and you think it's hearsay. I'm guessing you think OJ's book "if I did it" was a a complete work of fiction as well?

Weird. It wasn't illegal when the Obama administration did "it". Why don't you tell me what "it" is, and show me in the text of the phone call where "it" pops up.
 
So more rumor and hearsay. Hauntingly like Blasey-Ford testimony.

Don't forget to add arguing from the emotional sleeve, but as you said above, it's exactly like the Democrat's Blasey-Ford ****-show.
 
The transcript of the phone call and the texts aren't rumor or hearsay, nor is the fact that Trump blocked the money supported by NSA, State, Pentagon, for reasons that kept changing, or that Rudy told us over and over he was working as Trump's agent to get them to investigate Biden. He's proud of telling us this, and proud to tell us that it's all about how these investigations would help Trump and "may" benefit the U.S.

Please see post #32. Time to put up, or shut up, as they say. Let's see some of this supposedly damning evidence, and let's see the complete transcripts of closed door intelligence hearings from Schiff. I'm not interested in snipped parts made by rabid partisans and the usual absolute **** from Schiff. I'm still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertible evidence of collusion that Mueller didn't find. Where is it? You got it?
 
I didn't see any mention of a quid pro quo in the text I provided above. You are reading into more than what is said in both the text and the Zelensky phone call because you have an agenda.

I know that the anti-Trump echo chamber lead by Nancy Pelosi likes to screech that Trump violated the constitution while on his call with Zelensky, but there’s no serious argument for this especially in light of what Zelensky keeps saying, and you keep ignoring... It's the duty of presidents to investigate corruption, and ask foreign leaders what they know about it. Get over it.

No, get over the notion that Trump cares one iota about corruption. There is no evidence thereof. He does care about his election chances. He was not trying to flush out corruption (please don't be disingenuous by telling us he was). He was trying to get 1) dirt on Joe Biden and 2) undermine his own intelligence community by somehow trying to convince people it was Ukraine that interfered in the election. Trump had no altruisitic intentions; he never does.

Even the FEC chair said he was likely committing crimes.

America’s top election official explains why Trump may be committing crimes - Vox
 
Please ee post #32. Time to put up, or shut up, as they say. Let's see some of this supposedly damning evidence, and let's see the complete transcripts of closed door intelligence hearings from Schiff. I'm not interested in snipped parts for made by rabid partisans and the usual absolute **** from Schiff. I'm still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertible evidence of collusion that Mueller didn't find. Where is it? You got it?

When did the Obama Administration do what Trump did?
 
Ask geriatric Joe. Or, you could look. It's in the public sphere - a video, even.

Yeah, totally the same bro. I'll mark you down as a full believer of the cult.
 
Yeah, totally the same bro. I'll mark you down as a full believer of the cult.

I won't tell ya what I've marked you down as. Points, ya know.

Soooo, you have any of that evidence some here would like to see, or are you talking out of your back end too?
 
Ukraine president says '''no blackmail''' in phone call with Trump | Fox News


Does anyone besides me think the Democrats should get off their asses, take the VOTE or go home? Since President Zelensky said there were no bribes, blackmail or quid pro quo, kind of hard for Democrats to spin a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Now why would the president of a country under seige by a superior military defend the guy funneling money and equipment that supplies the defense for his country?

There must be a reason...
 
Please see post #32. Time to put up, or shut up, as they say. Let's see some of this supposedly damning evidence, and let's see the complete transcripts of closed door intelligence hearings from Schiff. I'm not interested in snipped parts made by rabid partisans and the usual absolute **** from Schiff. I'm still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertible evidence of collusion that Mueller didn't find. Where is it? You got it?

The evidence is staring you in the face. All you have to do is open your eyes.

And I can't address #32 because Obama never called up a foreign country, gave his personal lawyer the authority of AG, to work with any foreign country to investigate anyone. If that wasn't the BOTHSIDES BUTWHATABOUTOBAMA you were hoping for, you'll have to explain and be specific.
 
Ask geriatric Joe. Or, you could look. It's in the public sphere - a video, even.

The video is evidence of the VP executing the official, open, public foreign policy of the United States, including the WH, State, the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine at the time, the IMF, the UK, reformers in Ukraine and others who wanted that corrupt thug Shokin gone. What Joe did is no different than the demands Trump makes of, e.g. Mexico, to close up its southern border, or else tariffs.

There's actually no equivalent between those acts and what Trump did on the phone call, and we know that because the WH panicked after that phone call and tried to bury it in an information vault that almost no one had access to. When Bill Taylor says the quiet parts out loud in those texts, Sondland sees the difference as well with the CYA, let's take this offline, responses.
 
Ask geriatric Joe. Or, you could look. It's in the public sphere - a video, even.

...ah, no. Perhaps take this learning moment to "study up" and get back to the debate refreshed and, more importantly, informed.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine - FactCheck.org

Please see post #32. Time to put up, or shut up, as they say. Let's see some of this supposedly damning evidence, and let's see the complete transcripts of closed door intelligence hearings from Schiff. I'm not interested in snipped parts made by rabid partisans and the usual absolute **** from Schiff. I'm still waiting for Schiff's incontrovertible evidence of collusion that Mueller didn't find. Where is it? You got it?

When the Trump administration produces all of the witnesses and documents requested THEN he and his supporters can make this claim.
Until such time, these statements simply reeked of hypocrisy. Transparency is a two way street.
 
The evidence is staring you in the face. All you have to do is open your eyes.

And I can't address #32 because Obama never called up a foreign country, gave his personal lawyer the authority of AG, to work with any foreign country to investigate anyone. If that wasn't the BOTHSIDES BUTWHATABOUTOBAMA you were hoping for, you'll have to explain and be specific.

Why don't you post the transcripts then? Should be a simple matter for you.
 
The video is evidence of the VP executing the official, open, public foreign policy of the United States, including the WH, State, the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine at the time, the IMF, the UK, reformers in Ukraine and others who wanted that corrupt thug Shokin gone. What Joe did is no different than the demands Trump makes of, e.g. Mexico, to close up its southern border, or else tariffs.

There's actually no equivalent between those acts and what Trump did on the phone call, and we know that because the WH panicked after that phone call and tried to bury it in an information vault that almost no one had access to. When Bill Taylor says the quiet parts out loud in those texts, Sondland sees the difference as well with the CYA, let's take this offline, responses.

Right. There was no quid pro quo, and Santa Claus is real, too. We'll be hearing more about the previous administration, for those of us who read and listen.
 
...ah, no. Perhaps take this learning moment to "study up" and get back to the debate refreshed and, more importantly, informed.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor

Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine - FactCheck.org



When the Trump administration produces all of the witnesses and documents requested THEN he and his supporters can make this claim.
Until such time, these statements simply reeked of hypocrisy. Transparency is a two way street.

Courtney Subramanian? That's funny. Maybe you should check her out.

Given Schiff's opening of this show, and his release of snippets of testimony, I believe the bsll is in his cpurt to release a complete transcript without any editing. Following that, perhaps he might get some cooperation from the WH. You're not going to get to have it both ways. Schiff has already been branded a liar in this affair by the NYT, and the idiot has made himself a witness as well. He shouldn't be permitted to run his "inquiry" when he himself is a witness before the fact in the WB bit. It reeks of coordination between Schiff and the WB, who wasn't a WB until he went to the IG 18 days later.
 
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Does anyone besides me think the Democrats should get off their asses, take the VOTE or go home?

Slurp slurp.





Every last one of you started saying that exact same thing at the exact same time, immediately after Trump demanded it. And you think anyone is reading your stupid **** and concluding "gee, I bet that is something she arrived at after careful thought and honest deliberation"?

People aren't as stupid as Trumpists need to be. You only got your orange profanity into office because of a perfect storm of fail from the Dems, on top of a crop of lame Republicans.

They know, for example, just how desperate Ukraine is to not alienate POTUS in their struggle against Russia, particularly when Russia helped POTUS.
 
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Every last one of you started saying that exact same thing at the exact same time, immediately after Trump demanded it. And you think anyone is reading your stupid **** and concluding "gee, I bet that is something she arrived at after careful thought and honest deliberation"?

People aren't as stupid as Trumpists need to be. You only got your orange profanity into office because of a perfect storm of fail from the Dems, on top of a crop of lame Republicans.
So its your fault. :lamo That and Trump worked his A** off and HRC liked to fund raise in Martha's Vineyard and Hollywood instead of campaigning where she needed to. .
 
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