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Key allegations from the Ukraine whistleblower are true, despite what Trump says

Most of the responses here amount to "I don't believe it because I don't wanna". Turning a blind eye to corruption because you are in love doesn't fix anything.

Why don't you get that Joe Biden log out of your eye before claiming there is a splinter in someone elses?
 
The issue of the strong arm tactic, the withholding of funds, and the Giuliana monster trying to usurp the State Department and be a Henchman for Trump, with the aid of Barr.... is nothing more than a symbolic and actual game plan system they used with all the members of Trump Org and Trump campaign having so many meeting with Russians.

No matter the volume of drama spins... deep within "American's" know they did this with Russia, and they were trying the same plan with Ukariane, and then he doubles down asking China... in a repeat of the "Russia if you're listening"...

That old saying a criminal returns to the scene of the crime, especially when they think they got away with it the first time.

Fact is: Mueller's Report Outlines every step of it.

We will as time moves forward, return to Law... and that means "Destroying the Nixon Era Document" that say's a President can't be Indicted. The indictment will lead directly to Impeachment Inquiry and facts of the Indictment when verified then ultimately leads to impeachment proceedings.

NO MAN OR WOMAN IS ABOVE THE LAW...

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed!

Republican's forms and manner of Governance... insults The Constitution; Therefore.... it is the duty of American People...
"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

It is the American Duty and Americans Responsibility to "cast off" the Republican system of continually trying to promote a Plutocratic Autocracy, in aim and attempt to usurp the American model of Democracy. It is further the American Duty and the Americans Responsibility, to abolish the Republican system of promotions of "White Nationalist Agenda of Wealthy White Male Dominance".
"it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence.

Therefore:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

People should take their time and read and understand the "principles" established in and under The Declaration of Independence.

Republicans and their incessant want for an Authoritarian Dictator... is A Subversive Atrocity in American Democracy...
A violation and desecration of elements of our Declaration of Independence.

What people need to truly grasp is the agenda driven by Republican Confederacy ideology and its covert Agenda....
 
Yes, I know. We all heard him relay the story of how he said that to them. And no, he never said it had to do with Burisma, so you're lying.


YOU are the one lying as I never claimed he said it had to do with Burisma.
 
YOU are the one lying as I never claimed he said it had to do with Burisma.

Except when you did.

The accusations would be a violation of the Hobbs act. Threatening to withhold loan guarantees to Ukraine in order to get the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma dismissed.
 
What part of "family personal gain" do you not understand?

You are dismissed. (see my sig)

What part of "go ahead and post some evidence of the personal gain" did you not understand? Too many words? Too many syllables?

Glad you're dismissing me. That's the usual Mycroft way of saying "I lost".

By the way - it's ignorant to snip someone's post, as you did. But that's what you post all the time - ignorance.
 
~dismissed the Nixon nonsense...it's irrelevant~

The Nixon smoking-gun transcript is completely relevant. And it's persuasive, and that's why you dismissed it.

I've read the transcript. I don't need anyone to tell me what's in it. There is nothing political in the transcript. Nothing.

Nobody cackles maniacally and rubs their hands together like a cartoon villain, and specifically outlines the crime they are engaged in committing, as they are doing it, like some Bond movie villain. Everyone thinks they are the hero of their own story. The political nature of his request is implicit. Why? Biden is his main political opponent in an upcoming election, and the Presidential election nonetheless. It doesn't get any more political than that.

Your point is really really really dumb: "Whelp, he didn't SAY it was a political request so I guess it's wasn't. The word "political" doesn't appear in the transcript. Case closed folks. Time to go home."

It's so stupid. Your argument is so stupid.

Volker's text messages? There were 67 pages of text messages. Have you seen all of them? Or have you only seen the handful that Schiffty released...the ones he thought would support his/your narrative?

You have point, but the text messages I did happen to read, were actually very persuasive. Now, I would be willing to change my find if the other 50 pages of text messages, or however many there are, contain exculpatory evidence, but do you honestly think it does? Do you think, at this point, there are a ton of text messages which prove Trump did NOT try to convince Ukraine to investigate Biden? For God's sake, man, Trump even publicly tried to get Ukraine to investigate Biden.

And talk about biases...what about YOUR biases that allow you to completely mischaracterize everything you hear?

It is 100% true I am biased against Trump. And, yes, it changes the way I perceive information concerning Trump. But this didn't just happen for no good reason. I am biased against Trump because of the actions he engaged in, over the course of his life, and over the course of his Presidency. Trump is without a doubt the most corrupt President we've ever had. It is objectively true. At this point it's irrefutable. And if I see someone who is crazy enough to insist Trump is just like any other politician, I have no qualms personally criticizing them and calling them crazy.

I'll say it again..."just show me actual factual evidence".

Dude. Read the volker texts. Read the whistleblower complaint. Read the transcript of the call between Trump and the Ukranian President.

Have you read the texts? Did you read the complaint? Did you read the entire transcript of the call? I don't think you did.

Heck, watch the videos of Trump's PUBLIC statements where he encourages Ukraine to investigate Biden. He said this stuff in public.

Watch him:

 
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Except when you did.

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The accusations would be a violation of the Hobbs act. Threatening to withhold loan guarantees to Ukraine in order to get the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma dismissed.

Notice the complete absence of even a mention of Biden. Sooooo where is my assertion that Biden said this? Lying AND too dishonest to admit it.
 
Notice the complete absence of even a mention of Biden. Sooooo where is my assertion that Biden said this? Lying AND too dishonest to admit it.

Oh, so who were you talking about then? Now you're going to pretend you weren't talking about Biden.

So who else are you accusing of "Threatening to withhold loan guarantees to Ukraine in order to get the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma dismissed.". This ought to be good.
 
2 Florida businessmen who helped Giuliani in Ukraine arrested on campaign finance charges

Two foreign-born associates of Rudy Giuliani who gave money to a political action committee supporting President Donald Trump were arrested Wednesday night on criminal charges tied to an alleged effort to influence U.S. politics with illegal campaign contributions.

Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas — who are also both witnesses in the impeachment inquiry being undertaken by House Democrats.

Giuliani, Trump's personal attorney, has previously said that Fruman and Parnas worked with him as part of his dealings in Ukraine that involved efforts to encourage that nation to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. Parnas told The Miami Herald last week that he and Fruman passed information on the Bidens to Giuliani.

The four-count indictment, filed in the Southern District of New York and unsealed Thursday, includes charges of conspiracy, making false statements to the Federal Election Commission and falsification of records. The documents allege an elaborate scheme to help an unnamed Ukrainian government official and a person who is described as having "Russian roots" gain access to U.S. politicians and government officials through campaign contributions in order to advance business and personal financial interests.

"This investigation is about corrupt behavior," William Sweeney, a top official in the FBI's New York office said at a Thursday press conference. "Deliberate law breaking."

"This investigation is about corrupt behavior," William Sweeney, a top official in the FBI's New York office said at a Thursday press conference. "Deliberate law breaking."
Fruman and Parnas are charged with making $325,000 in illegal straw donations to a Trump super PAC, according to the indictment, as well as giving $15,000 to a second committee.

In May 2018, the two men gave $325,000 to the pro-Trump super PAC America First Action through an LLC, Global Energy Producers, the group confirmed to NBC News. That same monthh, Parnas posted photos on Facebook of himself and Fruman with Trump, and with the president's oldest son, Donald Trump Jr.

America must get this Mobster out of our Government Administration... he's on a egomaniac driven mission to sell as much of America and pander to any East European he can, and he is lost within his megalomaniac mentality and consumed by Greed Chasing Madness.... by Any Means....

America has allowed a Savage into our Government Administration.... He's the Monster Created by Republican Party Madness and they have backed and endorsed every bit of the vile.... Now.. without a doubt... American can and does see everyday, the Malice And Subversive Acts Engaged by Republicans.... Now they want to try and confound the matter by trying to twist the law and acts as if they are some regime of a Third World Dictator, and his mob network of Republican Congress persons.
Giuilani... and Don Jr. should get their striped prison Jump Suit... Immediately!!! and be joined by Trump ASAP...

Now it will began to "unfold as to where the money is coming from", and "what this regime has tried to sell" and "all of the foreign involvements he has solicited, tried to coercer and strong arm... and we will see many rats trying to escape the sinking ship.

We've already seen a list of Republican Politicians exit the party all in trying to get some distance between them and the vile they know is taking place.
It won't be long before the Mob Threat will not be able to keep those who have been dismissed because they would not pledge allegiance to the Mobster Trump. THEY WILL TALK!!!! and the truths they tell will make all these Cult Devotee, look like the blind minded cultist they willfully chose to be. Cohen, tried to tell people, when he found out he had been set up and played within the cult and the law made him realize he lost much of his soul to the soul eater Trump. Tillerson, would not submit to the game Trump expected him to play... not saying he's innocent, but he saw the light at the end of the tunnel. It won't be long before Sessions, starts talking, part because he did not get his confederacy agenda, but we also saw Bannon talk, when he saw his white nationalist agenda was not going to be with the ease he thought.

When Putin see the curtain coming down... he will instruct his operative to "start talking", and they will have no choice but to assume blame and make claim that Putin did not know... as a stragety by Putin to try and gain favor with the next Administration by fessing up through the stoolies that are already in place without a choice, but to follow the directions they are given.
 
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Oh, so who were you talking about then? Now you're going to pretend you weren't talking about Biden.

Yes I was talking about Biden AND NO I wasn't alleging that he or anyone else stated what I wrote.
 
That's called, "Bringing the receipts".

His receipts didn't as much as even mention Biden let alone attribute a statement to him as he claimed.
 
There is no mention in the phone call of anything having to do with political rivals or the 2020 election. That means the entire notion is simply a fantasy...by both the blower and CNN.

I didn't read the rest of the article, but I suspect the rest is pretty much the same. Fantasy.

Seriously...one has to be an idiot to believe this nonsense.

This CNN article is like saying "Brian Stelter Beats his Wife" is overwhelmingly true because his first name is Brian, his last name is Stelter and he has a wife...
 
Yes I was talking about Biden AND NO I wasn't alleging that he or anyone else stated what I wrote.

So you were talking about Biden. That explains why you said "Notice the complete absence of even a mention of Biden. Sooooo where is my assertion that Biden said this? Lying AND too dishonest to admit it."

Yes, you're lying.
 
It's also called "Pointing out a poster's lie".

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