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    Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    "In a letter to House leaders, White House counsel Pat Cipollone wrote that House Democrats’ recent actions violate “the Constitution, the rule of law, and every past precedent.” He criticized the impeachment inquiry as attempt to overturn the 2016 presidential election results and to influence the upcoming 2020 campaign. "
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...olitics&wpmm=1


    The Committees' inquity also suffers from a separate, fatal defect. Despite Speaker
    Pelosi's commitment to "treat the President with fairness,"6 the Committees have not established
    any procedures affording the President even the most basic protections demanded by due process
    under the Constitution and by fundamental fairness. Chairman Nadler of the House Judiciary
    Committee has expressly acknowledged, at least when the President was a member of his own
    party, that "[t]he power of impeachment ... demands a rigorous level of due process," and that
    in this context "due process mean[s] ... the right to be informed of the law, of the charges
    against you, the right to confront the witnesses against you, to call your own witnesses, and to
    have the assistance of counsel. "
    7 All of these procedures have been abandoned here.
    These due process rights are not a matter of discretion for the Committees to dispense
    with at will. To the contrary, they are constitutional requirements. The Supreme Court has
    recognized that due process protections apply to all congressional investigations.8 Indeed, it has
    been recognized that the Due Process Clause applies to impeachment proceedings.9 And
    precedent for the rights to cross-examine witnesses, call witnesses, and present evidence dates
    back nearly 150 years.
    10 Yet the Committees have decided to deny the President these
    elementary rights and protections that form the basis of the American justice system and are
    protected by the Constitution. No citizen-including the President-should be treated this
    unfairly.
    "The effect of impeachment is to overturn the popular will of the voters. We
    must not overturn an election and remove a President from office except to
    defend our system of government or our constitutional liberties against a dire
    threat, and we must not do so without an overwhelming consensus of the
    American people. There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an
    impeaclnnent supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by
    another.
    Such an impeachment will produce divisiveness and bitterness in our
    politics for years to come, and will call into question the very legitimacy of
    our political institutions."
    Your recent letter to the Acting White House Chief of Staff argues that "[ e ]ven if an
    impeachment inquiry were not underway," the Oversight Committee may seek this information
    as a matter of the established oversight process. 28 Respectfolly, the Committees cannot have it
    both ways. The letter comes from the Chairmen of three different Committees, it transmits a
    subpoena "[p]ursuant to the House of Representatives' impeachment inquiry," it recites that the
    documents will "be collected as part of the House's impeachment inquiry," and it asserts that the
    documents will be "shared among the Committees, as well as with the Committee on the
    Judiciary as appropriate."29 The letter is in no way directed at collecting information in aid of
    legislation, and you simply cannot expect to rely on oversight authority to gather information
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    an unauthorized impeachment inquiry that conflicts with all historical precedent and rides
    roughshod over due process and the separation of powers. If the Committees wish to return to
    the regular order of oversight requests, we stand ready to engage in that process as we have in
    the past, in a manner consistent with well-established bipartisan constitutional protections and a
    respect for the separation of powers enshrined in our Constitution.
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Oh, my! Overturn the popular will of the voters. The President of the United States of America, in strict accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America, is not, repeat, not elected by 'the popular will of the voters' but, rather, by the Electoral College.

    Such is the nonsense we have to deal with from both the right and the left these days.
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    POTUS and his lawyers can "prove " their case before the Senate.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    POTUS and his lawyers can "prove " their case before the Senate.
    Well, the House best hurry up and vote to send it to the Senate. What are they waiting for?
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Torus34 View Post
    Oh, my! Overturn the popular will of the voters. The President of the United States of America, in strict accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America, is not, repeat, not elected by 'the popular will of the voters' but, rather, by the Electoral College.

    Such is the nonsense we have to deal with from both the right and the left these days.
    The EC vote is allocated based on 'the popular will of the voters' (within each state).
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Torus34 View Post
    Oh, my! Overturn the popular will of the voters. The President of the United States of America, in strict accordance with the Constitution of the United States of America, is not, repeat, not elected by 'the popular will of the voters' but, rather, by the Electoral College.

    Such is the nonsense we have to deal with from both the right and the left these days.
    That quote was said by Jerrold Nadler. SURPRISE! Cipollone included it in the letter.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    He criticized the impeachment inquiry as attempt to overturn the 2016 presidential election results and to influence the upcoming 2020 campaign. "
    And that's exactly what proves this is not about the law, its about poor widdle twump's delicate feelings. Distorting the purpose of the inquiry is all they can do. they cant argue the facts.
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The EC vote is allocated based on 'the popular will of the voters' (within each state).
    Hi! Thank you for your post. I was afraid that I was the only one who knew that fact. Now I know there are at least two of us.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    That quote was said by Jerrold Nadler. SURPRISE! Cipollone included it in the letter.
    Hi! You might be interested to know that Mr. Benito Mussolini used the phrase, 'Drain the swamp'. And so it goes.

    Regards.

    PS. A quote used without attribution carries with it a whiff of plagiarism, I'm a-thinkin'.
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Trump's personal lawyer before he even reached the WH disagrees with Congress.

    Imagine that. What's next? Trump's maid thinks Pelosi is a bitch?

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