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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by sjmay View Post
    And again what CRIMES WERE CONNECTED...holy **** man.....cmon...

    Yes, he was charged and convicted of crimes...THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN..... but your simple mindedness can't or won't comprehend that.
    Actually, the connection to Trump's campaign is painfully clear to everyone except blind Trump loyalists such as yourself, to whom Trump can do no wrong. You are the kind of supporter who would watch Trump shoot someone live on television and blame the victim.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by sjmay View Post
    And again what CRIMES WERE CONNECTED...
    To Russia? This was already shown.

    Please see Trials of Paul Manafort link. Literally , the first paragraph lays out why continuing his line of questioning is stupid.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Falcon View Post
    Actually, the connection to Trump's campaign is painfully clear to everyone except blind Trump loyalists such as yourself, to whom Trump can do no wrong. You are the kind of supporter who would watch Trump shoot someone live on television and blame the victim.
    No, no, no. He's an objectively biased observer and participant! Duh.



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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To Russia? This was already shown.

    Please see Trials of Paul Manafort link. Literally , the first paragraph lays out why continuing his line of questioning is stupid.

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    He was convicted of crimes he commited WAY before the Campaign....you realize this right? He was the campaign manager for 60 days....he committed crimes YEARS AGO, but because he was a campaign manager for 60 days, you want to connect Manafort's conviction to Trump's Campaign,

    That;s just as inane as saying Obama was corrupt because Tony Rezko got convicted.....

    Don't worry, I will wait while you look that one up....

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by GDViking View Post
    Then they have to say that under oath.
    Not if it violates separation of powers and executive privilege.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have not presented any evidence of anything. Where in the Constitution or House Rules does it say they have to take a vote in order to have an impeachment investigation?
    The House takes actions through votes. All these committees subpoening documents and witness are doing so via votes or through a unilateral action of a chairman-- which is allowed in some circumstances.
    They are doing so in the areas for which they by rule and statute are authorized to do so.

    So whats the basis for then to delve into an impeachment inquiry? Nothing. The constitution says the House has sole power of impeachment. It doesn't say the speaker of the house or committee chairman.The House, and the House alone, decides whether it will impeach.
    Once they decide to impeach, they can figure out the details however they want. But until then, no go.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    The reason there was a vote on impeachment inquiry resolution in the case of Nixon and Clinton was to get the power to subpoena.



    BUT the cons gave the dems a gift in 2015. They changed the rules to allow many of their committee chairmen to issue subpoenas.



    No need for an impeachment inquiry vote. Thanks cons.
    That rule change doesnt change the Constitution. And the Constitution is clear-- the House has sole power of impeachment.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    My grandmother used to say, "it is better to be quite and have people wonder whether you are a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt."

    You just don't know how grand juries work. So, let me educate you from a passage on Findlaw.
    "No lawyer, except for the prosecutor," means there is no defense attorney.

    Unlike a regular jury, that decides guilt or innocence, grand juries to decide whether probable cause exists to support criminal indictment.
    Yes.And the accused can testify before a grand jury. There is no requirement for the accused to have legal rep at any point.
    It's not smart of course.

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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    The House takes actions through votes. All these committees subpoening documents and witness are doing so via votes or through a unilateral action of a chairman-- which is allowed in some circumstances.
    Nope, it's just "allowed." Republicans changed the rules in 2015 to allow a committee chair to issue subpoenas without consulting minority party members of the committee. Ooops.


    So whats the basis for then to delve into an impeachment inquiry? Nothing.
    They don't need a "basis." If the Committee decides to investigate something, then they are investigating something. Nothing else is needed.


    The constitution says the House has sole power of impeachment. It doesn't say the speaker of the house or committee chairman.The House, and the House alone, decides whether it will impeach.
    ...yes, and again the Constitution has no requirements for investigations prior to an impeachment vote.


    Once they decide to impeach, they can figure out the details however they want. But until then, no go.
    No, dude. The House can do pretty much what it wants before the impeachment vote. After that, the Senate holds a trial. The House's powers are not completely unlimited -- e.g. they can't force someone to self-incriminate -- but their powers to investigate are pretty broad.

    I.e. Cipollone is full of crap. No formal vote is required; the POTUS doesn't get to "face his accusers" during the investigative phase, and so on. All he's doing is priming the House to add charges of obstruction.
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    Re: Letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    The reason there was a vote on impeachment inquiry resolution in the case of Nixon and Clinton was to get the power to subpoena.
    Just to be clear, the House always had the power to issue subpoenas. They had self-imposed limits on committee chairs issuing them, which were removed in 2015 (as you pointed out), but they always had that power. I don't think there were any House rules that removed that limit after a formal vote to proceed on an impeachment inquiry.
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