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State Department tells US ambassador to the EU not to appear for deposition today

What it doesn’t need is a floor vote to issue subpoenas.
We will eventually see if the court thinks those subpoenas are valid. If the court disagrees with them then they are worthless paper.
 
Sounds good to me. They should send these comities nothing until Pelosi holds an Impeachment inquiry vote on the floor of the house.

It is so hilarious that you think (obviously base on your ****bag Dear Leader's comprehensive constitutional knowledge and his self-described "vast and mighty wisdom"--seriously, he tweeted that **** yesterday) the Pelosi's required to have this or that vote to proceed. No wonder nothing ever makes sense to you people. That's what happens from operating on a basis of total ignorance and complete lies.
 
Sounds good to me. They should send these comities nothing until Pelosi holds an Impeachment inquiry vote on the floor of the house.

Pelosi is in charge and she can run things any goddam way she wants. It's totally obstruction of justice. And will be treated as such....period.
 
For the same reason they don't want Republican congresspeople to know the identity of the whistleblower. Republicans are doing nothing but playing political games and trying to distort the truth to support Trump. It's sad but they have no interest in the truth.

you've GOT to be kidding me.. so you're going to protect the truth by OBSCURING THE TRUTH?

that is ludicrous.
 
The Supreme Court.


That's the distinction I've been making.

Please provide cite. If I am wrong, educate me.... if you are wrong, then stop spreading this nonsense. I think you are incorrect, as per the following

This (Investigations & Oversight
US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives
) says Congress can conduct hearings for three reasons: 1) to consider pending legislation; 2) to investigate issues that may require legislation in the future; and, 3) to investigate and oversee federal programs... that latter being "oversight". There is no legislative purpose in oversight.

...and more: Congressional Investigations :: Article I. Legislative Department :: US Constitution Annotated :: Justia ... which tells us, regarding Congress' power to investigate the executive branch "...But nearly half a century later, in McGrain v. Daugherty,199 it ratified in sweeping terms, the power of Congress to inquire into the administration of an executive department and to sift charges of malfeasance in such administration...."

...and, I don't understand the "distinction [you've] been making" What is your point - impeachment IS a legislative purpose or is not a legislative purpose?


....also an interesting read on the subject: Constitutional Hardball and Congress’s Oversight Authority - Lawfare
 
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you've GOT to be kidding me.. so you're going to protect the truth by OBSCURING THE TRUTH?

that is ludicrous.

Know one needs to know who the whistle blower is. That is the whole point of the law. A whistle blower is analogous to the guy that pulls the fire alarm. His/her story is checked out and verified. If found to be credible, the case is built from there. The whistleblower is irrelevant, but his/her ability to remain anonymous is crucial to having the process work. You are not "obscuring" the truth by not knowing who the whistle blower; you are obscuring truth, in the long run, by outing him (as you keep other people from ever being whistle blowers). He/She is not relevant.
 
Precedent from previous inquiries. This just shows that the Democrats are not interested in a fair inquiry. The American people will take note. Americans like fairness.

ROTFLMAO.....the president that brags about being the new kind of president suddenly want to be treated like the old kind of president........priceless.......Pelosi in charge and they are now guilty of obstruction. We remember the whole lying blowjob fiasco and the words of the right. Now they are coming full circle, and I just love the show.
 
If there is nothing to hide why doesn't the Full House have a floor vote then have the testimony in the opening and not in secrecy.

Because Pelosi says so and she's in charge. Lock them up.
 
He extorted Ukraine to coerce them to interfere in an election, and now he's obstructing justice. If that's cool with you, you might want to rethink.
Oh plzzzzz :roll: there was no Quid Pro Quo. No matter how much the Liberals whine it just isn't there. This floor with the whole House not a piece of the house and the speaker. The constitution says the House not a piece of the house shall decide on impeachment. Trump needs to ride this thing into the SCOTUS.
 
In 2020 we will . This will blow up in your faces just like the Mueller report did. :lol:

We're okay with taking that chance......LMAO
 
ROTFLMAO.....the president that brags about being the new kind of president suddenly want to be treated like the old kind of president........priceless.......Pelosi in charge and they are now guilty of obstruction. We remember the whole lying blowjob fiasco and the words of the right. Now they are coming full circle, and I just love the show.

Because Pelosi says so and she's in charge. Lock them up.
That's funny because it says the House not a committee and certainly not Pelosi shall have the sole Power of impeachment. Its a group decision. Something only accomplished by a floor vote.

"The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."
 
In 2020 we will . This will blow up in your faces just like the Mueller report did. :lol:

Take a look in your crystal ball and get me the powerball numbers for next week.

:shock:
 
What is your opinion of Biden extorting the Ukraine? Biden sure does not seem to want to answer questions about it. He has already been caught in one lie about it when he said he never talked to his son Hunter about overseas business. His explanation does not pass the sniff test.

Typical convolution of facts by Trump to deflect from his own corruption which he displays in plain sight. Trump can't make a valid argument that he is NOT corrupt, so his game plan is a "whataboutism" that others are corrupt as well. There really is nothing to the Biden issue... I suggest you study up on this issue as, well, I don't want you making a fool of yourself because you don't know it.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Fact check: What Joe and Hunter Biden actually did in Ukraine - Axios
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Even if there is an issue, they are separate issues. A classic "whataboutism".... 'but officer I was just moving with traffic. What about the Beemer that passed me?' Officer: 'I intend to write him a ticket as well'

The major issue at hand is the overt corruption of the POTUS. If there is wrong doing with Biden, then we can deal with that later.
 
Because there's been ZERO testimonies and ZERO documents produced that have been SUBPOENAED ! THAT'S WHY.

How can any investigation move forward while the republican bastards are stonewalling. Clearly they are obstructing justice in plain sight.

If Republicans have NOTHING TO HIDE, why are they refusing everything Congress has requested?

Sondland should be locked up if he defies a subpoena that's issued this morning. Obstruction of Congress is a felony.

Republicans want transparency, but give none.

As trumpists have so glibly told us, a felony deserves family separation and swift punishment.
 
We're okay with taking that chance......LMAO
after this fiasco and the IG report followed by the Durham report added to how far left the party has shifted . Average Democrats will exit the party in droves. election nigt will be like 2016 all over again. Crying liberal news people and screaming Democrats. Its going to be fun to watch. :lol:
 
after this fiasco and the IG report followed by the Durham report added to how far left the party has shifted . Average Democrats will exit the party in droves. election nigt will be like 2016 all over again. Crying liberal news people and screaming Democrats. Its going to be fun to watch. :lol:

When are they going to indict McCabe? Still waiting.
 
Typical convolution of facts by Trump to deflect from his own corruption which he displays in plain sight. Trump can't make a valid argument that he is NOT corrupt, so his game plan is a "whataboutism" that others are corrupt as well. There really is nothing to the Biden issue... I suggest you study up on this issue as, well, I don't want you making a fool of yourself because you don't know it.

What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
Fact check: What Joe and Hunter Biden actually did in Ukraine - Axios
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Even if there is an issue, they are separate issues. A classic "whataboutism".... 'but officer I was just moving with traffic. What about the Beemer that passed me?' Officer: 'I intend to write him a ticket as well'

The major issue at hand is the overt corruption of the POTUS. If there is wrong doing with Biden, then we can deal with that later.
Wouldn't it be better to expose Biden,s wrong doing now than waiting for him to be impeached if he becomes President?
 
That's funny because it says the House not a committee and certainly not Pelosi shall have the sole Power of impeachment. Its a group decision. Something only accomplished by a floor vote.

"The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."

She'll get there when she dam well feels like it, now stop the obstruction and comply with the the investigation..,.period.
 
When are they going to indict McCabe? Still waiting.
It ain't over yet. The word is there is a smoking gun email between Comey and Brennan that acknowledges the dossier isn't verified even though Comey told the FISA court it was. Brennan has been acting pretty nervous recently and is trying to smear Barr. It won't work. :lol:
 
Please provide cite. If I am wrong, educate me.... if you are wrong, then stop spreading this nonsense. I think you are incorrect, as per the following

This (Investigations & Oversight
US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives
) says Congress can conduct hearings for three reasons: 1) to consider pending legislation; 2) to investigate issues that may require legislation in the future; and, 3) to investigate and oversee federal programs... that latter being "oversight". There is no legislative purpose in oversight.

...and more: Congressional Investigations :: Article I. Legislative Department :: US Constitution Annotated :: Justia ... which tells us, regarding Congress' power to investigate the executive branch "...But nearly half a century later, in McGrain v. Daugherty,199 it ratified in sweeping terms, the power of Congress to inquire into the administration of an executive department and to sift charges of malfeasance in such administration...."

...and, I don't understand the "distinction [you've] been making" What is your point - impeachment IS a legislative purpose or is not a legislative purpose?


....also an interesting read on the subject: Constitutional Hardball and Congress’s Oversight Authority - Lawfare
Your 1st link doesn't address the point and it doesn't include a SC decision.
Your 2nd link says a legislative function is required.
Your 3rd link doesn't address the point and it doesn't include a SC decision.

But this does all 3:
United States Supreme Court
QUINN v. UNITED STATES(1955)

No. 1747
Argued: Decided: May 23, 1955

There can be no doubt as to the power of Congress, by itself or through its committees, to investigate matters and conditions relating to contemplated legislation. This power, deeply rooted in American and English institutions, is indeed co-extensive with the power to legislate. Without the power to investigate - including of course the [349 U.S. 155, 161] authority to compel testimony, either through its own processes 19 or through judicial trial - Congress could be seriously handicapped in its efforts to exercise its constitutional function wisely and effectively.

But the power to investigate, broad as it may be, is also subject to recognized limitations. It cannot be used to inquire into private affairs unrelated to a valid legislative purpose. Nor does it extend to an area in which Congress is forbidden to legislate. Similarly, the power to investigate must not be confused with any of the powers of law enforcement; those powers are assigned under our Constitution to the Executive and the Judiciary. Still further limitations on the power to investigate are found in the specific individual guarantees of the Bill of Rights, such as the Fifth Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination which is in issue here.

QUINN v. UNITED STATES | FindLaw
 
Your 1st link doesn't address the point and it doesn't include a SC decision.
Your 2nd link says a legislative function is required.
Your 3rd link doesn't address the point and it doesn't include a SC decision.
But this does all 3:
QUINN v. UNITED STATES | FindLaw

The phrase "no valid legislative purpose" is being abused by Trump apologists...

Inquiries into potential corruption or impeachable offenses are a valid legislative purpose because Congress has oversight authority, and this authority applies to corruption/impeachment.

Also, how is Congress supposed to conduct its impeachment inquiry, vote, and subsequent trial in the Senate, as outlined in the Constitution, if an investigation into such matters is not a "valid legislative purpose"?

Trump Sues Oversight Committee: Valid Move or Aggressive Delay Tactic? - Lawfare

Watkins v. United States :: 354 U.S. 178 (1957) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

Watkins v. United States - Wikipedia

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34097.pdf

Notably, the assertion that there is no valid legislative purpose for the committee’s inquiry is the same argument the White House is using to oppose congressional requests for information from the administration. White House counsel Pat Cipollone, in his March 4 letter to Cummings regarding the committee’s inquiry into the White House’s handling of security clearances, relied on the same case to argue that because Congress derives its oversight authority from its legislative powers, the White House must ensure that any request from the committee serves a legitimate legislative purpose. The White House, in essence, sought to reverse the traditional presumption in informational struggles between the two branches—that Congress is generally entitled to receive information and it is the executive branch that must make a convincing argument regarding why withholding such information either protects national security or is in the public interest in order to rely on a claim of executive privilege.

But such claims are disingenuous. The Supreme Court has affirmed over and over that the power to investigate implied by the Constitution’s grant of legislative power to Congress is very broad. Indeed, a portion of the Watkins opinion makes this point:

"The power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That power is broad. It encompasses inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws, as well as proposed or possibly needed statutes. It includes surveys of defects in our social, economic or political system for the purpose of enabling the Congress to remedy them. It comprehends probes into departments of the Federal Government to expose corruption, inefficiency or waste. But, broad as is this power of inquiry, it is not unlimited."


So what was the limitation on Congress’s investigative power in Watkins? John Watkins was a private citizen and a labor organizer for the United Autoworkers International Union who in 1954 appeared before Senator Joseph McCarthy’s House Un-American Activities Committee. When he refused to answer questions about the communist loyalties of several of his acquaintances, he was convicted of contempt of Congress. The Supreme Court found that his conviction for contempt was invalid under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. The court stated:

"There is no general authority to expose the private affairs of individuals without justification in terms of the functions of the Congress. This was freely conceded by the Solicitor General in his argument of this case. Nor is the Congress a law enforcement or trial agency. These are functions of the executive and judicial departments of government. No inquiry is an end in itself; it must be related to, and in furtherance of, a legitimate task of the Congress. Investigations conducted solely for the personal aggrandizement of the investigators or to “punish” those investigated are indefensible."

Viewed in context, Trump’s reliance on the Watkins case is not persuasive: Unlike the House Un-American Activities Committee, the oversight committee’s investigation is not an unmoored fishing expedition into private citizens’ private lives. It is an investigation to determine whether the president of the United States has undisclosed conflicts of interest that may impair his ability to make impartial policy decisions on behalf of the nation, to assess whether Trump is complying with the Emoluments Clauses of the Constitution, and to verify whether Trump has accurately reported his finances to the Office of Government Ethics and other federal entities.
 
Your talking point will never be refuted in your mind. Defending yourself from being burned at the stake isn't "obstruction of justice" and he did not extort Ukraine to do anything except investigate the corruption Biden bragged about engaging in on camera. That would be the same corruption that the majority of Americans want to see investigated.

he did abuse his power to extort Ukraine to interfere in the election. then he went on TV and encouraged both Ukraine and China to interfere. let's hope it costs him politically, though i'm sure that his cult will give him a pass. they live in their own reality bubble which they have crafted for themselves, and are unreachable.
 
What is your opinion of Biden extorting the Ukraine? Biden sure does not seem to want to answer questions about it. He has already been caught in one lie about it when he said he never talked to his son Hunter about overseas business. His explanation does not pass the sniff test.

whataboutism and projections do not refute my point.
 
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