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Judge dismisses President Trump's lawsuit seeking to block subpoena for tax returns

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bongsaway said:
And so the courts speak and again not good news for the president. That daggone shall word.
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It really would be much easier to be emperor without those pesky judicial and legislative branches.
 
Emergency appeal! We must stop everyone from seeing his taxes!! Nothing to hide, no collusion!!
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh my. Poor dear has just had the worst couple of weeks, and the hits just keep on coming.

Lemme guess. Is this one of the "activist judges" that cause everyone in Trump Fan Nation to tinkle in his panties?
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I think he wears protection for that malady of old age.
 
let me know when you ACTUALLY have them in hand....
 
I predict that, regardless of what is found in his tax returns, it won't matter to his supporters.
 
bongsaway said:
And so the courts speak and again not good news for the president. That daggone shall word.
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The liberal courts always rule against Trump, only to be overturned by the higher courts.
 
Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York

Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York - CNNPolitics
A federal judge on Monday dismissed a lawsuit brought by President Donald Trump to block a subpoena for eight years of his tax returns, rejecting the President's "extraordinary" claim that any occupant of the White House enjoys "absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind."

Describing Trump's argument as a "categorical and limitless assertion of Presidential immunity," US District Court Judge Victor Marrero wrote in an opinion that it "would constitute an overreach of executive power."
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Trump didn't anticipate what winning the presidency would do in regards to placing his financial dealings and dirt under the microscope. Whenever and however he leaves office, it is highly likely that he will see the inside of a courtroom as a defendant.
 
Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York

Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York - CNNPolitics

A federal judge on Monday dismissed a lawsuit brought by President Donald Trump to block a subpoena for eight years of his tax returns, rejecting the President's "extraordinary" claim that any occupant of the White House enjoys "absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind."
Describing Trump's argument as a "categorical and limitless assertion of Presidential immunity," US District Court Judge Victor Marrero wrote in an opinion that it "would constitute an overreach of executive power."
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Overreach of executive power you say?
 
Dittohead not! said:
I predict that, regardless of what is found in his tax returns, it won't matter to his supporters.
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If he took tax deductions for shooting people on Fifth Avenue his supporters would not object.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh my. Poor dear has just had the worst couple of weeks, and the hits just keep on coming.

Lemme guess. Is this one of the "activist judges" that cause everyone in Trump Fan Nation to tinkle in his panties?
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Trump may be fat, but I don't think his panties are quite that big.
 
Re: Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York

The idea that being president shields one from any form of action, including Congressional and judicial subpoenas, is particularly absurd -- but I guess that's what the Trump team had to do -- reach for the moon, in order to keep their client's tax returns, which must be really, really juicy, from being released.

If we can remember all the way back to the 1990s, Bill Clinton had to answer subpoenas and court filings. Presidents don't have absolute immunity. It's even arguable that they are immune at all, since it doesn't say so in the Constitution.
 
Moderate Right said:
The liberal courts always rule against Trump, only to be overturned by the higher courts.
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This is false. Republican-appointed judges have ruled against Trump numerous times during his administration.

Quick question: do you think that presidents should be immune from criminal investigations?

Do you know why I ask? That's the argument his lawyers asserted.

This was the judge's response:

Manhattan U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero rejected what he termed Trump's "extraordinary claim" that "the person who serves as president, while in office, enjoys absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind."

That claim is too broad, wrote Marrero, because it would represent "virtually limitless" protection from criminal investigations not only for sitting presidents but also associates who might have collaborated in potentially illegal actions.

"This court cannot endorse such a categorical and limitless assertion of presidential immunity from judicial process as being countenanced by the nation's constitutional plan, especially in light of the fundamental concerns of excessive abrogation of power that animated the Constitution's delicate structure and its calibrated balance of authority among the three branches of the national government, as well as between the federal and state authorities," wrote Marrero.

"Hence, the expansive notion of constitutional immunity invoked here to shield the president from judicial process would constitute an overreach of executive power."
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Judge rules President Donald Trump can't shield tax returns in probe

Here's the bottom line. Trump is not a conservative. The people supporting him are not conservative. They are thugs. They are punks. They are authoritarians who do not believe in the U.S. Constitution and do not believe in the founding principles and values of our Republic.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I predict that, regardless of what is found in his tax returns, it won't matter to his supporters.
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Well of course not, but the stooges are set in stone, so they've removed themselves from the national debate. They're just part of the topography.
 
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MTAtech said:
The idea that being president shields one from any form of action, including Congressional and judicial subpoenas, is particularly absurd -- but I guess that's what the Trump team had to do -- reach for the moon, in order to keep their client's tax returns, which must be really, really juicy, from being released.

If we can remember all the way back to the 1990s, Bill Clinton had to answer subpoenas and court filings. Presidents don't have absolute immunity. It's even arguable that they are immune at all, since it doesn't say so in the Constitution.
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one thing they ( New York ) are looking at is can they prosecute a sitting President.
Trump may not be prosecuted by the Fed. when in office but NY may have the right too.
Trump may be exempted from Fed. Prosecution but not state. ( that is the law )
NY can and should be doing more and look into Trumps business activities
and if they find wrong doing prosecute him
Have a nice day
 
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I can't wait until some super smart conservative tries to compare Obama selling books to Trump selling US diplomacy to the highest bidder.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
A temporary stay has been put on it...story still moving....
 
Re: Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York

Tbird19482 said:
one thing they ( New York ) are looking at is can they prosecute a sitting President.
Trump may not be prosecuted by the Fed. when in office but NY may have the right too.
Trump may be exempted from Fed. Prosecution but not state. ( that is the law )
NY can and should be doing more and look into Trumps business activities
and if they find wrong doing prosecute him
Have a nice day
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There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits a sitting president from being prosecuted. There also is no statute that prohibits it. The only thing that states this is a memo from the DoJ Office of Legal Council. The argument is flimsy -- that a president's job is so star-spangled awesome that being tied up in court would hinder the functioning of the office. The flaw in this argument is the 25th Amendment, which allows the Vice President to act as president temporarily if the President cannot.

The history behind this goes back to when Spiro T. Agnew was VP under Nixon. Agnew was found to have taken bribes when governor of Maryland. The question was: can a sitting VP be prosecuted by a state? The DoJ opinion was that the VP was different from the Pres and could be prosecuted. The idea was that they were looking for a way to get Agnew to resign and trade not being jailed as a carrot.

This is uncharted legal territory. I was taught during the Nixon Era that a president is not above the law and that leads me to think that a president can be indicted federally and by the states.
 
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Hatuey said:
I can't wait until some super smart conservative tries to compare Obama selling books to Trump selling US diplomacy to the highest bidder.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
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You cant wait for me to compare Obama with Satan, is that right?

And some of you are foolish. You cannot see that Trump is the answer to Americas problems not the cause of them.

When you get rid of him and you have a new, one world government in place, I hope you will be happy. Because America sure wont have any borders then.
 
Re: Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York

HenryChinaski said:
Judge dismisses Trump request to keep taxes secret in New York - CNNPolitics Trump didn't anticipate what winning the presidency would do in regards to placing his financial dealings and dirt under the microscope. Whenever and however he leaves office, it is highly likely that he will see the inside of a courtroom as a defendant.
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What Trump didn't anticipate was a mentally unhinged leftist Judge violating the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution. Unless there is probable cause that a crime has been, is in the process of being, or will be committed every individual has the right "to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." Politicians have their public salary information available to the public, but private citizens do not. January 2017 would be when Trump became a politician and his tax returns became public. Prior to being sworn into office as President Trump was a private citizen and afforded the same protection under the Fourth Amendment as every other individual in the US.

Unless, apparently, they are Democrat scumbags who have become mentally unhinged after losing the last election. Then your constitutionally protected individual rights don't mean a damn thing. Once again the fascist left of the Democratic Party demonstrates its abject hatred for the US and every American.
 
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Iron_Merc said:
You cant wait for me to compare Obama with Satan, is that right?
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Are you under the impression that I consider you a 'super smart conservative'? You are mistaken, sir. I don't.

Now shoo. Fluff away.




Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
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