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Trump to send Pelosi a letter 'daring' her to hold impeachment inquiry vote

By 45%-38%, Americans support impeaching him over Ukraine allegations, poll finds
A plurality of Americans now support impeaching Trump and removing him from office.
Trump: Poll shows growing support for impeachment over Ukraine

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Oh the horror, progressive views are widespread.
Will be horrible if they are not? Im not the one throwing a tantrum over not getting what i wanted.

Btw i source checked your garbage poll and found this

"The poll also has a credibility interval of plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Democrats, plus or minus 5.6 percentage points for Republicans, and plus or minus 10.4 percentage points for Independents.*"

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Well to be honest, he looks a lot better than I expected. The office has a long history of draining the life out of each person that takes it.
I typically remember seeing it show more so in thier second term than their first.

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You are partly right but not entirely so. The WH is not required to honor suponeas if they are for something that is outside of congresses purview. This is where not having a vote becomes a problem. If the "offical impeachment inquiry" is not passed on the floor it weakens their argument in the courts and if the WH challenges their suthority it will be the courts who will have to make a ruling.



What, Exactly, Does Congress Have the Authority To Investigate?: MoloLamken LLP

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That makes sense to me. I still think this is a moot argument. Presumably Trump & Co. want to get Democrats on record as voting for the investigation. Presumably they think they can use aye votes to sway swing voters away from the witch hunters. Authorizing an investigation is such a pointless gesture that anyone who holds that vote up for or against any congressperson, regardless of which way they vote, shouldn't be allowed to vote for a president anyway. As such, this seems to me like, once again, the Trump team is banking on the stupidity of the American electorate. It's yet more cynical trash politics, but it might very well work. As we've seen, Trump understands a lot of Americans pretty well.
 
That makes sense to me. I still think this is a moot argument. Presumably Trump & Co. want to get Democrats on record as voting for the investigation. Presumably they think they can use aye votes to sway swing voters away from the witch hunters. Authorizing an investigation is such a pointless gesture that anyone who holds that vote up for or against any congressperson, regardless of which way they vote, shouldn't be allowed to vote for a president anyway. As such, this seems to me like, once again, the Trump team is banking on the stupidity of the American electorate. It's yet more cynical trash politics, but it might very well work. As we've seen, Trump understands a lot of Americans pretty well.
Well democrats brpught this upon themselves by simply not calling a vote to impesch and allow the process to play out as it traditionally has. As you pointed out they are not legally obligated to follow traditions but there is reasons why they were conducted the way they were in the past.

Imo regardless of their opinion on if trump is guility or not they should make every effort to reasonably accomidate the trump tesm to provide a defense for all the accusations they are making. Preventing republicans from asking questions and calling witnesses make the democrats look they are acting in bad faith.

If they feel they hsve a strong case for impeschment they should be able to refute whatever defense is countered. I think thats something the majority of people expect to see from them.

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Sound's like a Chessmasters grand strategy.

If she insists on such proceedings, she will have no choice to do the same with Biden. Afterall, there is more damning evidence against Biden than Trump.

That 7D chess :lamo
 
Well democrats brpught this upon themselves by simply not calling a vote to impesch and allow the process to play out as it traditionally has. As you pointed out they are not legally obligated to follow traditions but there is reasons why they were conducted the way they were in the past.

Imo regardless of their opinion on if trump is guility or not they should make every effort to reasonably accomidate the trump tesm to provide a defense for all the accusations they are making. Preventing republicans from asking questions and calling witnesses make the democrats look they are acting in bad faith.

If they feel they hsve a strong case for impeschment they should be able to refute whatever defense is countered. I think thats something the majority of people expect to see from them.

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Yeah, but be honest. No matter what the Democrats do, Trump's supporters will **** on them. Both parties are complete, utter trash; and I don't trust anyone who says that one of them is always right while the other is always wrong. Unfortunately for me, that's most of the people who signed up for this site.
 
Yeah, but be honest. No matter what the Democrats do, Trump's supporters will **** on them. Both parties are complete, utter trash; and I don't trust anyone who says that one of them is always right while the other is always wrong. Unfortunately for me, that's most of the people who signed up for this site.
Im right there in the middle with contempt for both of them.
I think there are more of us than they realize

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I love the **** the right wing has convinced themselves of. The man is melting.

Seeing as you don't even know my political stance. Your desperate attempt is basically seen for what it is.

I'm just saying what I already know. At this point in their presidencies. Bill's eyes were starting to sink in and almost all his hair color had gone. Almost all of Bush's face had started to sink in and Obama gained more gray than most others thought was possible for him. As well as for the normal signs of constant stress to already become apparent around his mouth and eyes.
 
I typically remember seeing it show more so in thier second term than their first.

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Then I guess that means we wait till after this second term then.

Need to really get the democrats that thank you cake after this is over.
 
Then I guess that means we wait till after this second term then.

Need to really get the democrats that thank you cake after this is over.
Right around year 6 they seem to show the wear of the job.

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Hmm. You work in higher education and that's your definition of anti-intellectualism? That's certainly not what I meant. In fact, that's not even a textbook's definition of anti-intellectualism. It doesn't have anything to do with partisan politics. Your premise that it does and even more alarming, that it has something to do with American progressives is exactly what I mean by anti-intellectualism, as that term is more thoroughly defined by . . . you guessed it: Intellectuals.

Yes. Obfuscating progressive tactics by dressing them up in vague terms is a familiar technique used to push false narratives.

History needs no progressive (or any other) filter. This is why some must destroy hisorical paintings, statues and whatever else they can to rewrite history more favorably to their agenda.


Even the Sumerians knew how important paying attention and telling the truth is to society.



"College student activists in the 1960s and
1970s sought out Alinsky for advice about tactics
and strategy.

On one such occasion in the spring
of 1972 at Tulane University’s annual week-long
series of events featuring leading public figures,
students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of
a scheduled speech by George Bush, then U.S.
representative to the United Nations, a speech
likely to be a defense of the Nixon Administration’s
Vietnam War policies [Note: the Nixon
Administration was then negotiating with the
North Vietnamese Communists to arrive at a peace
agreement- DH] The students told Alinsky that
they were thinking about picketing or disrupting
Bush’s address. That’s the wrong approach, he
rejoined - not very creative and besides, causing
a disruption might get them thrown out of school.
[Not very likely-DH] He told them, instead, to go hear the speech dressed up as members of the Ku
Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something
in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer
and wave placards, reading ‘The K.K.K. supports
Bush.’ And that is what the students did with very
successful, attention-getting results"

We also see this obsfucation tactic used recently...

Jussie Smollett’s neighbors cast doubt on his attack story
Claims against Kavanaugh Fall Apart
How the Media Covered False Smear of Covington Kids
Yet Another Major Russia Story Falls Apart.

The practice of dressing up items to push a false narrative might even be occuring right now...

Joe Biden worked with whistleblower when he was vice president, officials reveal

24 Pieces of MSM Fake News in 5 Days

6 Fake News Stories Reporters Have Run Since Trump Won

92 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List

Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin. UPDATE: The Mueller report found that Trump did not direct Michael Cohen

Media elites have destroyed their own credibility. It is too bad. We really needed them.

They were too busy fawning over certain politicians to do their jobs.



A vague term like antifa or anti-intellectualism is weaponized to misdirect too often to allow to pass unchallenged without clarification.

This tactic works both ways and should be stopped altogether.
Portland grand jury clears pair accused of pummeling man in MAGA hat outside of bar
 
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