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Trump: Why aren't we entitled to 'learn everything about' the whistleblower?

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Trump: Why aren't we entitled to 'learn everything about' the whistleblower? | TheHill

President Trump on Tuesday reiterated his desire to meet with and question the whistleblower whose complaint about Trump's interactions with the leader of Ukraine ignited an impeachment inquiry.

The president, who in recent days attacked the whistleblower as a "fraud" and attempted to undermine their credibility, questioned why he doesn't have the right to interview the anonymous individual.
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Uhhh... because it would be breaking Federal law? The Thug-in-Chief knows very little about the Constitution & derivative laws, which is frightening.

See Whistleblower Protection Act - Wikipedia
 
Trump: Why aren't we entitled to 'learn everything about' the whistleblower? | TheHill

President Trump on Tuesday reiterated his desire to meet with and question the whistleblower whose complaint about Trump's interactions with the leader of Ukraine ignited an impeachment inquiry.

The president, who in recent days attacked the whistleblower as a "fraud" and attempted to undermine their credibility, questioned why he doesn't have the right to interview the anonymous individual.
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Uhhh... because it would be breaking Federal law? The Thug-in-Chief knows very little about the Constitution & derivative laws, which is frightening.

See Whistleblower Protection Act - Wikipedia

Your answer is the right one.

Trump is just being the usual Mafia don thug he is.
 
I would prefer to see a Special Prosecutor look into this whole thing...perhaps call Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and others before a Grand Jury to explain their actions.
 
This alleged “whistleblower”, traitor is a better word, should be investigated, his co-conspirators found out and they must all be executed for they have spoken against his excellency and Dear Leader President Trump.

His treasonous lies have assisted other subversive forces in the nation to attack the Great Leadership and Eternal Glory of President Trump who only seeks prosperity and justice in the land.

If these seditious forces, conspiring in the bowels of the deep state do not cease their attacks on the glorious leader of Trump and stop causing great discomfort to his good brain then they should face death, brought forth by the eternal glory and righteousness of his good brain, using his best words, some have said, the bestest words they’ve ever heard.

Hail Trump!

Hail The Dear Leader!

Death to all who speak against him!

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I would prefer to see a Special Prosecutor look into this whole thing...perhaps call Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and others before a Grand Jury to explain their actions.

It's so adorable how you want to investigate absolutely everyone except Trump. Doesn't say much for your credibility.

What do you want them interrogated for anyway?
 
It is fascinating to watch democrats argue so vigorously against the sixth amendment.

"“The primary object of the [Confrontation Clause is] to prevent depositions of ex parte affidavits . . . being used against the prisoner in lieu of a personal examination and cross-examination of the witness in which the accused has an opportunity not only of testing the recollection and sifting the conscience of the witness, but of compelling him to stand face to face with the jury in order that they may look at him, and judge by his demeanor upon the stand and the manner in which he gives his testimony whether he is worthy of belief.”221 The right of confrontation is “[o]ne of the fundamental guarantees of life and liberty . . . long deemed so essential for the due protection of life and liberty that it is guarded against legislative and judicial action by provisions in the Constitution of the United States and in the constitutions of most if not of all the States composing the Union.”222 Before 1965, when the Court held the right to be protected against state abridgment,223 it had little need to clarify the relationship between the right of confrontation and the hearsay rule,224 because it could control the admission of hearsay through exercise of its supervisory powers over the inferior federal courts.225"

It is also interesting the bar was lowered so this latest cartoon show could start.

Intelligence community changed whistleblower rules to include hearsay shortly before complaint was filed

"The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"

"“We learned from today’s reporting from a couple different sources, including The Federalist, that the form used to require as recently as a month ago or at least in the last year, the complaint had to be firsthand knowledge, and a number of other obligations, that it not be a matter of differences of policy. It has to be some very specific criteria. It doesn’t even cover the president, it only covers what happens in the intelligence community,” Dhillon said.

“The new form which is published on the website of the DNI for whistleblowers. It’s marked August 2019, so last month, around the time this whistleblower complaint,” she continued. “It has eliminated that first-hand knowledge requirement. And you see that reflected in the current complaint. It’s full of second-hand, third-hand and press reports and more.”

Dobbs listed several examples of what the Trump whistleblower complaint consists of, to include:

“I received information from multiple officials.”
“Officials have informed me.”
“Officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me.”
“I was told by White House officials.”

“It reads like the most preposterous document,” said Dobbs.

“There is a very good reason why we require firsthand knowledge and firsthand eyewitness testimony on these types of things,” said Dhillon. “It’s the most credible and most close to the facts. But more importantly, the type of complaint we are talking about today could not have been made under last year or earlier this year’s rules. It’s very significant that those rules were secretly, surreptitiously changed.”"


A reasonable observant person will have little trouble picking out the fascists in the current scenario.

If you cannot face your accuser, then you cannot be certain that what you are being accused of has any basis in fact. If the government could bring charges against someone without presenting the accuser claiming that you have done something against the law, then the government would be entirely free to make up whatever crime it wants, along with whatever evidence it wants, without any recourse of your own. This is how "trials" during the Inquisition were performed, and the decision by the Founding Fathers to include this right explicitly in the Constitution is a reflection of the abuses that such systems wrought in the past.
 
Sen. Grassley sold his soul to partisanship over Garland. At first, he was licking trump’s ass on this latest scandal.

Now, after just a few days back in Iowa, Chuck’s rediscovered his soul on the Whistleblower Act he helped write. Why? To give cover to Sen. Ernst and her re-election next year.
 
It's so adorable how you want to investigate absolutely everyone except Trump. Doesn't say much for your credibility.

What do you want them interrogated for anyway?



Nancy, Schumer, And Gerry can explain it to you.
 
It's important to protect whistleblowers. We shouldn't automatically assume the worse of people.
However, such calls should be made in 'good faith,' not simply to cause trouble for others. Hopefully, the whistleblower law only protects those who in 'good faith' whistled. If not, the law should be changed.
 
It is fascinating to watch democrats argue so vigorously against the sixth amendment.

"“The primary object of the [Confrontation Clause is] to prevent depositions of ex parte affidavits . . . being used against the prisoner in lieu of a personal examination and cross-examination of the witness in which the accused has an opportunity not only of testing the recollection and sifting the conscience of the witness, but of compelling him to stand face to face with the jury in order that they may look at him, and judge by his demeanor upon the stand and the manner in which he gives his testimony whether he is worthy of belief.”221 The right of confrontation is “[o]ne of the fundamental guarantees of life and liberty . . . long deemed so essential for the due protection of life and liberty that it is guarded against legislative and judicial action by provisions in the Constitution of the United States and in the constitutions of most if not of all the States composing the Union.”222 Before 1965, when the Court held the right to be protected against state abridgment,223 it had little need to clarify the relationship between the right of confrontation and the hearsay rule,224 because it could control the admission of hearsay through exercise of its supervisory powers over the inferior federal courts.225"

It is also interesting the bar was lowered so this latest cartoon show could start.

Intelligence community changed whistleblower rules to include hearsay shortly before complaint was filed

"The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"

"“We learned from today’s reporting from a couple different sources, including The Federalist, that the form used to require as recently as a month ago or at least in the last year, the complaint had to be firsthand knowledge, and a number of other obligations, that it not be a matter of differences of policy. It has to be some very specific criteria. It doesn’t even cover the president, it only covers what happens in the intelligence community,” Dhillon said.

“The new form which is published on the website of the DNI for whistleblowers. It’s marked August 2019, so last month, around the time this whistleblower complaint,” she continued. “It has eliminated that first-hand knowledge requirement. And you see that reflected in the current complaint. It’s full of second-hand, third-hand and press reports and more.”

Dobbs listed several examples of what the Trump whistleblower complaint consists of, to include:

“I received information from multiple officials.”
“Officials have informed me.”
“Officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me.”
“I was told by White House officials.”

“It reads like the most preposterous document,” said Dobbs.

“There is a very good reason why we require firsthand knowledge and firsthand eyewitness testimony on these types of things,” said Dhillon. “It’s the most credible and most close to the facts. But more importantly, the type of complaint we are talking about today could not have been made under last year or earlier this year’s rules. It’s very significant that those rules were secretly, surreptitiously changed.”"


A reasonable observant person will have little trouble picking out the fascists in the current scenario.

If you cannot face your accuser, then you cannot be certain that what you are being accused of has any basis in fact. If the government could bring charges against someone without presenting the accuser claiming that you have done something against the law, then the government would be entirely free to make up whatever crime it wants, along with whatever evidence it wants, without any recourse of your own. This is how "trials" during the Inquisition were performed, and the decision by the Founding Fathers to include this right explicitly in the Constitution is a reflection of the abuses that such systems wrought in the past.

Yes because shooting the messenger is so American.

 
It is fascinating to watch democrats argue so vigorously against the sixth amendment.

"“The primary object of the [Confrontation Clause is] to prevent depositions of ex parte affidavits . . . being used against the prisoner in lieu of a personal examination and cross-examination of the witness in which the accused has an opportunity not only of testing the recollection and sifting the conscience of the witness, but of compelling him to stand face to face with the jury in order that they may look at him, and judge by his demeanor upon the stand and the manner in which he gives his testimony whether he is worthy of belief.”221 The right of confrontation is “[o]ne of the fundamental guarantees of life and liberty . . . long deemed so essential for the due protection of life and liberty that it is guarded against legislative and judicial action by provisions in the Constitution of the United States and in the constitutions of most if not of all the States composing the Union.”222 Before 1965, when the Court held the right to be protected against state abridgment,223 it had little need to clarify the relationship between the right of confrontation and the hearsay rule,224 because it could control the admission of hearsay through exercise of its supervisory powers over the inferior federal courts.225"

The rest of your post is rubbish also, but specifically the first part struck me. Do you understand what the sixth amendment is? Because it has nothing to do with whistleblowers and /or informants. If I call the cops and give an anonymous tip that my neighbor is cooking meth and thy investigate and find a meth lab, they can arrest him, try him and convict him without anyone ever finding out who I am. Only if I testify in court or if my testimony is used in the court proceedings does the 6th amendment start to apply because then I'd be accusing him in court of a crime and he has the right to cross examine and to know who I am. But if the whistleblower is only looking to alert the proper authorities to abuses of power so that they can investigate (which is what was done here) then it has nothing to do with the sixth amendment.
 
The rest of your post is rubbish also, but specifically the first part struck me. Do you understand what the sixth amendment is? Because it has nothing to do with whistleblowers and /or informants. If I call the cops and give an anonymous tip that my neighbor is cooking meth and thy investigate and find a meth lab, they can arrest him, try him and convict him without anyone ever finding out who I am. Only if I testify in court or if my testimony is used in the court proceedings does the 6th amendment start to apply because then I'd be accusing him in court of a crime and he has the right to cross examine and to know who I am. But if the whistleblower is only looking to alert the proper authorities to abuses of power so that they can investigate (which is what was done here) then it has nothing to do with the sixth amendment.

Incorrect. Impeachment is a legal process overseen by the chief justice. Look it up.
 
It is fascinating to watch democrats argue so vigorously against the sixth amendment.

"“The primary object of the [Confrontation Clause is] to prevent depositions of ex parte affidavits . . . being used against the prisoner in lieu of a personal examination and cross-examination of the witness in which the accused has an opportunity not only of testing the recollection and sifting the conscience of the witness, but of compelling him to stand face to face with the jury in order that they may look at him, and judge by his demeanor upon the stand and the manner in which he gives his testimony whether he is worthy of belief.”221 The right of confrontation is “[o]ne of the fundamental guarantees of life and liberty . . . long deemed so essential for the due protection of life and liberty that it is guarded against legislative and judicial action by provisions in the Constitution of the United States and in the constitutions of most if not of all the States composing the Union.”222 Before 1965, when the Court held the right to be protected against state abridgment,223 it had little need to clarify the relationship between the right of confrontation and the hearsay rule,224 because it could control the admission of hearsay through exercise of its supervisory powers over the inferior federal courts.225"

LMAO what a joke. Last I checked Trump isn't a prisoner and no formal charges have been brought against him. Sad!

It is also interesting the bar was lowered so this latest cartoon show could start.

Intelligence community changed whistleblower rules to include hearsay shortly before complaint was filed

"The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”"

"“We learned from today’s reporting from a couple different sources, including The Federalist, that the form used to require as recently as a month ago or at least in the last year, the complaint had to be firsthand knowledge, and a number of other obligations, that it not be a matter of differences of policy. It has to be some very specific criteria. It doesn’t even cover the president, it only covers what happens in the intelligence community,” Dhillon said.

“The new form which is published on the website of the DNI for whistleblowers. It’s marked August 2019, so last month, around the time this whistleblower complaint,” she continued. “It has eliminated that first-hand knowledge requirement. And you see that reflected in the current complaint. It’s full of second-hand, third-hand and press reports and more.”

Repeating already disproven lies. Sad!

Dobbs listed several examples of what the Trump whistleblower complaint consists of, to include:

“I received information from multiple officials.”
“Officials have informed me.”
“Officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me.”
“I was told by White House officials.”

“It reads like the most preposterous document,” said Dobbs.

“There is a very good reason why we require firsthand knowledge and firsthand eyewitness testimony on these types of things,” said Dhillon. “It’s the most credible and most close to the facts. But more importantly, the type of complaint we are talking about today could not have been made under last year or earlier this year’s rules. It’s very significant that those rules were secretly, surreptitiously changed.”"

Look more lies. Second and third hand knowledge has always been allowed in whistleblower complaints. Why are you so intent on lying?
 
It's important to protect whistleblowers. We shouldn't automatically assume the worse of people.
However, such calls should be made in 'good faith,' not simply to cause trouble for others. Hopefully, the whistleblower law only protects those who in 'good faith' whistled. If not, the law should be changed.

They did change ithe requirements. Recently.

Intelligence community changed whistleblower rules to include hearsay shortly before complaint was filed

It was a gutsy move if the deep state changed an official requirement to attack one guy.
 
Trump: Why aren't we entitled to 'learn everything about' the whistleblower? | TheHill

President Trump on Tuesday reiterated his desire to meet with and question the whistleblower whose complaint about Trump's interactions with the leader of Ukraine ignited an impeachment inquiry.

The president, who in recent days attacked the whistleblower as a "fraud" and attempted to undermine their credibility, questioned why he doesn't have the right to interview the anonymous individual.
===========================================
Uhhh... because it would be breaking Federal law? The Thug-in-Chief knows very little about the Constitution & derivative laws, which is frightening.

See Whistleblower Protection Act - Wikipedia

There is NO part of due process and constitutional rights the Democratic Party furiously wants to eliminate in pursuit of the perfect corporate-fascist totalitarian police state. So there is no surprise they want to eliminate anyone every being able to know who your accuser (or in this case gossip mongering hearsay accuser) or being able to question the accusor.

If the Democratic Party ever really got control of the government again they would slaughter 10s of millions of Americans and imprison 10s of millions more. They would make Hilter and Stalin seem like humanitarians and would outdo Pol Pot, which only murdered 25% of their population. The Democratic Party would murder at least 45% if they could.

Remember, the Democratic Party is the party of genocide and the political party that tried to make their own slave nation - where they already could torture, rape and murder at will. They furiously defend every child labor sweatshop in the world making them cheap slave-labor products as their surrogate slaves. They want to right to imprison, torture, rape and murder at-will again - and furiously are now demanding it.
 
Only corporate-fascist Democratic progressives don't understand that constitutional due process rights fiat any federal laws. The right to face and challenge your accuser is THE most absolute due process right of all - so accordingly most Democrats DEMAND that right be eliminated, like they want ALL human, civil and individual rights eliminated.
 
They did change ithe requirements. Recently.

Intelligence community changed whistleblower rules to include hearsay shortly before complaint was filed

It was a gutsy move if the deep state changed an official requirement to attack one guy.

Already disproven by the ICIG themselves, public copies of the form from 2017 and early 2018, and the fact that the form doesn't even matter considering that the statute has been unchanged and has always allowed "hearsay" to be submitted.

Further disproven by the fact that the whistleblower originally tried going to the CIA General Counsel, who was appointed and confirmed by the Republican-held Senate in 2017, before going through whistleblower channels, where the complaint was deemed credible by both the ICIG as well as Maguire, both Trump appointees.

Why are you so intent on lying?
 
They did change ithe requirements. Recently.

Intelligence community changed whistleblower rules to include hearsay shortly before complaint was filed

It was a gutsy move if the deep state changed an official requirement to attack one guy.

This all is part of an ongoing attempt by the "intelligence community" to totally take over the government - or rather regain total control of the government.

They already have 100% absolute total control of ALL Democratic officials ala Chuck Schumer who confessed he does exactly as he is ordered by anyone and everyone in the "intelligence community." Most progressive (ie corporate-fascists) Democrats now are the same as Nazi Brownshirts.
 
Speaking about stuff we arguably are entitled to see, let's see Tweety's tax returns and that server where he hides his extortion attempts.

Hey, I think I like whataboutism.
 
Incorrect. Impeachment is a legal process overseen by the chief justice. Look it up.

That still doesn't matter. You should read my post again. Unless the person is testifying in court, or in the impeachment hearing, against the defendant, then the 6th amendment doesn't apply. Just as someone leaving an anonymous tip to the police doesn't negate someone's 6th amendment right.
 
This all is part of an ongoing attempt by the "intelligence community" to totally take over the government - or rather regain total control of the government.

They already have 100% absolute total control of ALL Democratic officials ala Chuck Schumer who confessed he does exactly as he is ordered by anyone and everyone in the "intelligence community." Most progressive (ie corporate-fascists) Democrats now are the same as Nazi Brownshirts.

Its intel, media, democrats, and progressives all together. Pretty creepy.
 
Feel free to disprove anything if you can.

Feel free to educate yourself.

But forms don’t change rules; the rules are set by laws and policies. In this case, the guiding document is Intelligence Community Directive (ICD) 120, which was issued in 2014 and last updated in 2016. The directive implements Presidential Policy Directive (PPD) 19, “Protecting Whistleblowers with Access to Classified Information,” signed by President Barack Obama to provide the first executive-branch protections for intelligence community whistleblowers.
[...]
ICD 120 sets a “reasonable belief” standard for reporting wrongdoing through protected disclosures “that the employee reasonably believes evidences a violation of any law, rule, or regulation; or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.”

A “reasonable belief” covers information obtained secondhand, according to Irvin McCullough, a national security analyst at the nonprofit Government Accountability Project, and other experts consulted by The Fact Checker. “As a whistleblower, you can always submit a complaint if you have a reasonable belief, even if it is secondhand or even third-hand,” McCullough said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m-rules-whistleblowers-were-recently-changed/
 
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