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Fact check: Trump falsely claims whistleblower rules changed just before Ukraine complaint

Mach said:
The right wing talking point circulating in an attempt to defend Trump in the Trump/Ukraine Corruption scandal has been debunked, and now also debunked by the IC IG specifically as an official News Release.
Noting of course that even as misinformation, it was irrelevant...the transcript and Trump/Giuliani have agreed this occurred, it's not in question, and the investigation is now underway to lay out all the facts.

The President of the United States is pushing misinformation, along with The Federalist website.

CNN:


The IC IG has also now also officially released a statement debunking the conspiracy theory pushed by Trump and many Republicans, popularized by The Federalist

Official IC IG Government News Release



breaking news:
Fact check: Trump tweets conspiracy theory about whistleblower rules changing - CNNPolitics

IC IG Release:
https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Docu...on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints.pdf
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This entire thing is hilarious.
The self-proclaimed genius Trump has not yet figured out that he should keep his mouth shut.
Bwaahaahaahaahaa!
 
SMTA said:
This entire thing is hilarious.
The self-proclaimed genius Trump has not yet figured out that he should keep his mouth shut.
Bwaahaahaahaahaa!
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Don't you know he's just fighting back? He's a fighter!!
 
JasperL said:
Surprised you don't know what ad hominem means. I'm not attacking the man, I'm attacking his banal, irrelevant reporting that could be done just as well by my local college paper. Checking this "fact" adds nothing useful to the discourse.
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No, it was an ad hominem.​ But never mind, I really don't care.
 
Jack Hays said:
No, it was an ad hominem.​ But never mind, I really don't care.
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Actually it was NOT ad hominem because I criticized his "Fact Check", his 'argument' such as it was, on the merits, or lack of them.

And if you don't care, don't level dumb accusations. :confused:
 
Trump said:
Comey telling Trump he's not under investigation in Private ....all the agencies needed to be flushed of scumbags like Brennan Clapper Comey McCabe Strzok..just think if Hillary was President all these idiots would have promotions
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The fact that you call these people scumbags lets us understand how much credence to put in your opinion.
 
mrjurrs said:
The fact that you call these people scumbags lets us understand how much credence to put in your opinion.
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3 of 5 have been fired from law enforcement for lying
 
SMTA said:
This entire thing is hilarious.
The self-proclaimed genius Trump has not yet figured out that he should keep his mouth shut.
Bwaahaahaahaahaa!
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You do realize it will be the right wing that's laughing at you when your little impeachment hoax unravels?

Don't get knocked down by the fallout.
 
Iron_Merc said:
You do realize it will be the right wing that's laughing at you when your little impeachment hoax unravels?

Don't get knocked down by the fallout.
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So what? Trump is still publicly a ****ing moron.
 
JasperL said:
Actually it was NOT ad hominem because I criticized his "Fact Check", his 'argument' such as it was, on the merits, or lack of them.

And if you don't care, don't level dumb accusations. :confused:
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"Once again proving how worthless Glenn Kessler is at his job."

QED
 
It's difficult to get a handle on how many posts devoted to completely separate issues can have a topic line beginning, 'Trump falsely claims ...'.
 
Jack Hays said:
"Once again proving how worthless Glenn Kessler is at his job."

QED
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"Schiff: We didn't talk to the whistleblower
Fact: WB approached staffer with barest of essentials, said it involved privileged communications (i.e. POTUS), they referred him to attorney, and the IG - the end.

Kessler - Four Pinocchios!

Fine, you know who cares what rating it got? Schiff dissembled there, we all can see it. DOG BITES MAN!! POLITICIAN WASN'T FORTHCOMING IN ANSWER TO MEDIA!! NEWS AT 11!!

But if the Fact Checker for the Washington Post thinks the fact most needing checking that day is just easily demonstrated nonsense like that, or the Pompeo rating he both sides'd in that article, they just need to get rid of him and hire another actual reporter. Or hire in intern for the job, or outsource it to a college newspaper and give some good exposure to a promising journalist or team of them.
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See that ^^^^. That's me criticizing the argument, not the man. Not ad hominem. Q.E.D.
 
JasperL said:
Instructions on a form are not regulations, they are not laws. I explained this and you've decided to double down on the wrong. The law never changed. You're whining that you do not like how the IC IG faithfully followed the LAW here.
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I've explained to you that rules and regulations provide how a statue can be used and are a part of the statue.
 
The simplest solution as to whether POTUS strong-armed Zelensky and others, a cover up is occurring, and if anyone was involved in any wrong doing is to just comply with the subpoenas.
 
cabse5 said:
How does SCOTUS define high crimes and misdemeanors? I believe the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors will soon be placed upon SCOTUS to decide.
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Article 1 gives the House that power to define it. The Senate decides it. The Chief Justice presides to keep order.
 
HAL9000 said:
McCabe was fired for lying. None of the others were.
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For example, Comey wasn't fired for lying, this is true, <Comey was fired because he wasn't doing a good job (according to Trump)>but lying is something Comey did within the framework of the FBI's investigation of Russia-gate. Specifically, one of the reasons Trump said why he fired Comey is because Comey refused to publicly state that Trump wasn't a 'person of interest' in the Russia-gate investigation by the FBI.
Comey's Lies of Omission - CounterPunch.org
“Comey assured Trump he wasn’t under investigation during their first meeting. He said he discussed with FBI leadership before his meeting with the president-elect whether to disclose that he wasn’t personally under investigation. “That was true; we did not have an open counter-intelligence case on him,” Comey said.” (Politico)

So, if the FBI didn't have an open counter-intelligence case against Trump, who within the US federal government did? Was this another lie by Comey even if by omission?
 
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cabse5 said:
I've explained to you that rules and regulations provide how a statue can be used and are a part of the statue.
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Let me put it another way. I do taxes and most forms come with instructions. The IRS even puts out helpful publications/booklets on various topics, like selling a home. Sometimes those are helpful in the same way an article on the internet is helpful. I can't remember the last time I looked at instructions except for a mechanical matter - what goes in that line. The reason is if you rank tax authority from best (the Internal Revenue Code at the top - i.e. the law as passed by Congress, and signed by POTUS) to worst, instructions are on the very bottom. They have no force of law, at all. I cannot cite them in any substantive memo, in a response to IRS or to a court as authority on the LAW. If you hire an accountant or lawyer for tax matters, and they say, "Hey, let's look at the instructions and see what they say" to answer a question of the law, collect your papers and leave because they are incompetent. At their best and most helpful, those kinds of things are good ways to find answers to the 90% problems - the routine, the normal, what the average person encounters. But all the hard stuff is in the 10%. This WB filing is in the 1% or the 1/10th of 1%, and instructions have no force there.
 
cabse5 said:
For example, Comey wasn't fired for lying, this is true, <Comey was fired because he wasn't doing a good job (according to Trump)>but lying is something Comey did within the framework of the FBI's investigation of Russia-gate. Specifically, one of the reasons Trump said why he fired Comey is because Comey refused to publicly state that Trump wasn't a 'person of interest' in the Russia-gate investigation by the FBI.
Comey's Lies of Omission - CounterPunch.org
“Comey assured Trump he wasn’t under investigation during their first meeting. He said he discussed with FBI leadership before his meeting with the president-elect whether to disclose that he wasn’t personally under investigation. “That was true; we did not have an open counter-intelligence case on him,” Comey said.” (Politico)

So, if the FBI didn't have an open counter-intelligence case against Trump, who within the US federal government did? Was this another lie by Comey even if by omission?
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Are you trying to make a point? It's not Comey's fault that the Presiden't is too ****ing corrupt and stupid to keep himself from touching the hot stove twice. I've seen animals learn that lesson faster.
 
Jack Hays said:
But you opened with the ad hominem. You can't just wish that away.
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LOL, moving the goal posts to save a bad argument. That's not very nice Jack, and you know better. :roll:
 
JasperL said:
LOL, moving the goal posts to save a bad argument. That's not very nice Jack, and you know better. :roll:
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Sorry, but it's the same point I made in each post. Sorry to see you descend to lying.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but it's the same point I made in each post. Sorry to see you descend to lying.
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LYING!!? :2rofll:

No it's not. You quoted my entire post, and said, "Tsk tsk. An ad hominem argument won't change the facts."

First of all, I acknowledged and accepted the "facts."

Second, if I'd started and ended with an attack on Kessler, that's an ad hominem argument. Effectively saying, "Kessler is worthless, here is specifically why this particular argument (that's the subject of the post) is banal and an example of why he's worthless, that this kind of fact check could by done by college newspapers" isn't an ad hominem, because I'm engaging his argument in this case, and other arguments he's made, to defend my opening point about his output in general.
 
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