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White House releases memo of Trump-Ukraine call

Before my time. Supposedly FDR used the IRS like an ax. Again, before my time.

Carter used the IRS to threaten members of the 80 Olympic team who planned to compete (as Brits did) under the IOC flag in Moscow
 
Acutally Lutsenko who let the Shokin investigation die has expressed shifting opinions and walk backs on more than one issue, of which his off-the-cuff Hunter Biden remark NOT a part of any official finding or inquiry on Hunter Biden's involvement(meaning he has not been cleared by the government nor has he been found guilty of anything).

More importantly you can't have it both ways on this issue...i.e.;

If, as claimed, Biden went after the prosecuter Shokin because of his corruption, as exemplified by Shokin's unwillingness to go after Burisma Holdings owner and board, then the next prosecutor should (naturally) be held to the same ethical standard by Biden and his supporters.

And we know the next prosecutor, Lutsenko, essentially did what Shokin was accused of doing, also being unwilling to go after Burisma Holdings by letting Shokin's investigation languish and not starting another. Yet, suddenly, Biden defenders are willing to accept Lutsenko's same dodging against THE SAME TARGETS (which includes the B.of.D.) when, but a few years ago, they (and Biden) would have been outraged by Shokin for having done the same thing.

By definition critics of Shokin must be critics of Lutsenko; if Shokin protected Burisma and its board of directors (which includes Hunter) through indifference than so has Lutsenko. There is no ethical reason to accept Lutsenko's blandishments and handwaving regarding any owner or member of the Burisma entity anymore than if those blandishments came from Shokin, except for ONE purpose...to kill further inquiry into a matter that may stain Joe Biden and his son.

If you can't accept that, then you must accept that Biden's actions in getting Shokin fired had nothing to do with anti-corruption because Shokin was doing his job the same as Lutsenko. So Biden's efforts were not really over corruption, they must have been an effort to help his son avoid Shokin's inquiries.

As I have been saying to Biden defenders, you can't have it both ways.

Huh? You are spinning so fast you must be dizzy. Nothing you wrote is correct. Lutsenco did indeed investigate Burisma and closed the investigation in 2017 All reports say the he did a fine job as prosecutor. You need to read this carefully this time.....I don't have a clue where you got that "story" or did you make it up all by yourself?

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.

Lutsenko, who served as Ukraine's prosecutor general from May 2016 until last month, closed the investigation into the gas company Burisma and its oligarch owner in 2017, The New York Times has reported. Earlier this year, Lutsenko met with President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and discussed Burisma, Lutsenko's spokeswoman told Bloomberg. Then in March, according to the Times,
Lutsenko reopened an investigation into the company, though his spokeswoman has disputed that.

In May, Lutsenko told Bloomberg News that his office had found no evidence of wrongdoing against Hunter Biden or his father, Joe Biden, who'd helped to oust Lutsenko's predecessor.

That prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, had been accused of failing to act in numerous corruption cases, including the investigation into Burisma. In addition to the United States government, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund have demanded that Shokin be replaced.



Lutsenko added that whatever wrongdoing there might have been at Burisma took place before Hunter Biden joined the company.

“Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival,” Lutsenko told the Post.

Hunter Biden '''did not violate anything,''' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
 
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So did Biden did it? I honestly think that patriots should press that question because if we are pretending to play justice than I think that Biden abused his title as vice president to get a prosecutor fired. If this was Mike Pence would be grass. The democrats are just playing politics and, how many whistle blowers came forward? The speaker ran out to the microphone to start this inquiry hoax.

You need to try the real world for a change. Out here we all know that Biden was lobbying for the interests of the United States when he demanded the corrupt prosecutor be fired. Besides our State Dept. , the IMF and many European nations called for him to go. If Pence had done it it would have been the first time he actually supported American interests since he has been in office.

In castigating Biden's effort to get the prosecutor general fired, Trump has declined to mention an important fact: a whole lot of other people were also trying to get him fired at the time.
The Obama administration, American allies, the International Monetary Fund and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, among others, had all made clear that they were displeased with the performance of Viktor Shokin, who became prosecutor general in 2015.

Fact check: What Trump has been getting wrong on Biden and Ukraine - CNNPolitics
 
Maybe Trump should release the phonecalls and let us know about his deep concern for the investigation and plans?
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The Senate should appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the fake whistleblower scam and put a stop to the constant democrat false accusations and obstructions of Trump every working day of his job.
 
No it's time for Trump to go. His reckless endangerment of our national security concerns must stop. He has violated his oath and is not fit to serve.

Constant fake Vietnam veteran white privileged minority woman of color dummass drum-beating narrative of anti-American leftist democrat communist traitors: 'Trump is evil and must go.'
 
Yea, one could say that they're all deplorable. Oh wait a minute. Didn't someone else already say that? How's her new book doing?

Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable. Booker called them despicable. Obama said democrats will punish their enemies. Sadly, all democrats have been able to do is constantly file false charges against Trump and go after his supporters with fire brands for spanking Hillary's bad bottom in the 2016 election.
 
Huh? You are spinning so fast you must be dizzy. Nothing you wrote is correct. Lutsenco did indeed investigate Burisma and closed the investigation in 2017 All reports say the he did a fine job as prosecutor. You need to read this carefully this time.....I don't have a clue where you got that "story" or did you make it up all by yourself?



Hunter Biden '''did not violate anything,''' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

It sounds pretty apparent. Remove your attorney general and you'll receive aid so that the new attorney general can say the Russian oligarch and Burisma did nothing wrong. IF the old attorney general was allowed to stay in office would Burisma still be found innocent? I think not and Biden, Obama, and the EU knew this and wanted him out so their buddies could go free, that's corruption.
 
It sounds pretty apparent. Remove your attorney general and you'll receive aid so that the new attorney general can say the Russian oligarch and Burisma did nothing wrong. IF the old attorney general was allowed to stay in office would Burisma still be found innocent? I think not and Biden, Obama, and the EU knew this and wanted him out so their buddies could go free, that's corruption.

It's still rather hilarious how this means more damage for Biden, than it does for Trump. Not that it really damages him in the least anyway.

We've had nothing but hearsay, and guesswork going against him at this point. And the release of the transcript was basically the democrats submitting to the fact that they just shot one of their own in the foot.
 
No it's time for Trump to go. His reckless endangerment of our national security concerns must stop. He has violated his oath and is not fit to serve.

Violated his oath, how so?
 
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I'm no fan of Biden and I hope to God he isn't our nominee, and if there were credible reports of wrong doing I'd certainly want them investigated, but the fact that the President tried to hand that investigation over to Giuliani and Zelensky should clue you all in on the fact that there's nothing there. If there were the F.B.I., D.O.J. and State Dept. would be handling it instead of Inspector McGoo.

Grifting only works on the general, often times unintelligent Republican base. In the real world you can't just shout random conspiracies and have Biden picked up by the F.B.I.. For that you need facts and actual evidence. Sorta like the kind provided by the whistleblower and flagged by the I.G. as urgent and now finally passed onto Congress. That's not a grift, that's a real peice of evidence. When Giuliani is facing prosecution like Trumps previous personal lawyer Michael Cohen, you all remember him right, hes currently in jail, do not act surprised because I said it here first. This thing is snowballing fast and Trump isn't even going to make it to the end of his term.

The whistleblower had no real complaint. He heard no phone conversation and all his sources were 2nd and third hand spins from leftist partisans. There were other more sinister and seasoned democrat lawyers behind the scheme and I hope the Senate opens up an investigation into the illegal leaking of Trump's phone conversation and the false allegations made by the anonymous whistleblower.
 
Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable. Booker called them despicable. Obama said democrats will punish their enemies. Sadly, all democrats have been able to do is constantly file false charges against Trump and go after his supporters with fire brands for spanking Hillary's bad bottom in the 2016 election.
Yes, it is sad. There use to be a time when Repub and Dems at least pretended to work together. Now, thanks to people like Hilary Clinton, Dems just want to stomp their feet and say: "No fair! You stole the election from us and we're going to get even with you (not through allowing the people to decide) but by doing all they can from day one to impeach the current President. I think it would be even more sad if the Repubs ever went down this same path. What happened to the Dems motto: When they go low -- we'll go high.
 
So where is the real investigation? Why a sham one run by Giuliani and Zelensky instead of the F.B.I.?

Every democrat politician and his brother was seeking information on Trump/Russian collusion before it was finally proven to have been nothing more than a false allegation invented by Hillary and the DNC. Trump should be appointing people to get to the bottom of political corruption in the US. That is why we elected him in the first place.
 
So you are proposing a scavenger hunt for any possible thing that could prove he did it for his kid rather than the very obvious and internationally called for ouster of a widely viewed as corrupt prosecutor general?

We have the information that is needed about this because every government in Europe, our own government, and even half the Ukrainians were calling for Shokin to be removed at that time due to his being corrupt, refusing to in investigate or hampering investigations into those who were seen as friends to the old government (who lost power around 2014). There was already an investigation done into Burisma, they found nothing on Biden (since he wasn't even implicated in that in the first place, and it isnt illegal to put a person on a board because of their name).

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The wicked Biden team and their ungodly supporters obstructed an investigation into corruption in Ukraine by a good man they mercilessly and unjustly smeared. There is no covering up what Biden did and it was illegal, immoral, unjust and ungodly.
 
Trump wasn't clean at all. He simply couldn't be charged with what they found only because he is the President.

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The dummass democrats refuse to come clean about their failed Trump/Russian conspiracy theory invented by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
 
Which is all coming from the guy who was fired, after he was fired and ignores other evidence from even other countries that Shokin was refusing to investigate or impeding investigation into a lot of "old guard" people, including the owner of Burisma.

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Biden was in the wrong and what he did was inexcusable. Of course he is going to blame the prosecutor of being evil but that is because he did not want his son exposed for being a crook.
 
That's not true at all. The POTUS cannot simply sic his dogs on anyone just to do it, especially his private lawyer on a political rival under the guise of a government interest.

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We hired Trump to go after political corruption and we don't give a damn whether democrats like that or not.
 
Not in this case youre not. Anyone who disagrees is not a patriot. What Trump did is corruption by definition. Favts dont give a **** if you agree.

Many democrats think Trump is evil no matter what he does, but those leftist cultists are not thinking straight.
 
This is what baffles me. Trumpers and even Trump himself appears to be unable to comprehend the difference between the V.P. engaging in diplomacy on behalf of the Administration and American people and Trump sending his personal lawyer to dig up dirt on his political rival on behalf of no one but himself. Like WTF? That's a depth of ignorance even I find slightly incomprehensible.

Trump was hired to root out corruption in DC. If he did not seek to get to the bottom of political corruption he would not be doing the job we hired him to do. To hell with the corrupt politicians and their supporters if they don't like it.
 
No. No one is saying an investigation into Biden cannot be done. It still has to go through official channels, and it should not include civilians who have no other reason to be involved in the investigation except political gain. Get the State Department to investigate or DOJ if you actually have evidence of Biden doing something wrong rather than a conspiracy theory (which is all they have right now). Giuliani has no place in the investigation.

He even admitted the main reason for the investigation is to help his client. There is no national interest there. They are trying to claim this is fighting corruption when this is a form of corruption.

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Democrats are livid that Trump is using lawyers and judges to root out corruption in politics, even though they use lawyers and judges to fabricate lies and initiate worthless investigations against Trump all the time.
 
Of course anyone can speak to anyone. That isn’t in dispute. You just can’t have civilians acting as officials of the government— worse is when that civilian has their own agenda.

In any case, Ukraine said in May that there was no evidence of illegality by Hunter Biden.

What you and others are doing is employing a false equivalence. Let’s be clear: Joe Biden appears to be completely innocent of any wrongdoing in this case, while Trump tried to use the power of the federal government and almost $400 million in taxpayer money to coerce Ukraine into meddling in a U.S. election.

The record clearly shows Biden threatened to withhold US support from Ukraine if it did not force its prosecutor to back off investigating crooks in Ukraine with which his son was involved. The record clearly shows Trump made no such threat, but that does not mean the barbarians in the democrat spin room will not twist the truth backward into a lie to portray the democrats as good guys and Trump as the bad guy.
 
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It's like explaining things to small children.

Yes, Giuliani, as a private citizen can talk to almost anyone he wants, what he can't do is act in an official capacity to investigate possible wrong doings by the former V.P.. If there was a real investigation it would involve the D.O.J. and State Dept., not the Presidents personal lawyer who holds no government position.

The Obama campaign team sent a team of 30 lawyers to Alaska for the purpose of digging up dirt on Sarah Palin and those wolves stayed for weeks, long after Palin lost the election. Democrats do not get to decide who Trump appoints to do what in his job in every tiny detail. He can send his lawyer to Ukraine.

Obama sent all sorts of people to different countries to do different things and the democrats said nothing. What could they say? "We are going to step up and manage Obama's affairs and tell him what he can and cannot do?"
 
Do you plan to compare the moral equivalency of every politician in the history of this country while you're at it? I suspect not.

Trump can't stop obsessing about Hillary. His supporters can't either. It's time to move on. She lost the 2016 election. The only ones who actually seem to not be able o accept that are Trump and the citizens of Trump Fan Nation.

Trump is not obsessed with the possessed loser of the 2016 election. Political commentators can sometimes be so stupid it hurts.
 
"the V.P. engaging in diplomacy"

Is THAT what you call it???

"Dude, you have 6 hours to fire that guy or the $1 billion goes bye-bye!"

"And SON OF A BITCH!!! He was fired!"

And, much to the dismay of democrats, that is a quote whereas the fake whistleblower false Trump accuser could only cough up 2nd and third hand lying narratives he heard here and there from his leftist sources.
 
He didn't appoint the ghastly nosferatu to anything, except I guess as "Incriminater #1", given his absurd folly of shouting and screaming like a deranged lunatic on the Ingraham show.

Face it. The overwhelming majority of the country dislike Trump.

Deluded leftist cultists laughed at the prospect of Trump beating Hillary in 2016 and they still stupidly believe Americans didn't like Trump then and don't like him now.

Impeachment is a political process, and that's why you would have supported an impeachment of Obama had he done what Trump has done; your admission here is not required, because again. Impeachment is political.

We have entered a new era in which democrats started impeachment processes against Trump before he even moved into the White House and they have been searching diligently through large numbers of false allegations ever since looking for the one false allegation they can use to do it. They still have nothing. If democrats impeach Trump it will be the first time in history a US President was impeached on false allegations and ugly rumors.

What Trump has done here is completely trashed the public's trust at a time when the validity of -any- election in this country is questionable given the lengths and breadth of foreign interference last time. This is a fresh wound that has not even been scabbed over yet and Trump just tore it wide open, dumped salt and fire ants into it.

Under the false pretension of political purity democrats are destroying the US government and due processes of law, just to win the next election.

No one will accept the outcome of an election in which Donald is engaged now. If he loses you guys will blame the deep state; if he wins, those of us who oppose him will have VALID concerns about where his attacks originated, if they were bought with tax payer dollars, etc.

No deluded democrat cultist ever accepted Trump's election the first time, so who cares if the dummasses don't honor the results of the next election?

The damage is done. It's not going to be fixed. It's irrevocable. And that's why he is being impeached. Because his dishonest, no integrity stunts, his admission and then retraction, his rope-a-dope, his gas lightning, have all done irreparable damage to him as a president, and to the ethics of his office and his entire party.

Trump won the election. He helped turn the economy around. He appointed good judges by the dozens. He dismantled oppressive socialist regulations and unconstitutional violations of American freedoms, and many leftists are defeated and dejected and ready to all but give up. That is not surprising.

The damage here is astounding and will take some time to be fully realized.

It may take some time for democrats to restore billion dollar supports to terrorists after Trump came in and busted up the democrat/ISIS cartel. It may take democrats years to gather enough strength to again ram another Obamacare tax hike down unwilling American taxpayer throats. It could take years for democrats to regain the levels of government suppression of business and the economy enjoyed under Obama but destroyed by Trump.
 
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