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White House releases memo of Trump-Ukraine call

JasperL said:
I did. I expect there are now "Trump ass kissing" advisors who go round the world and tell them how to play to Trump's ego. Nice touch to work in that he stayed at Trump Tower on his last visit. Of course that's exactly why Trump owning it is a conflict of interest, but the GOP don't care.
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I'm not quite sure what the GOP cares about anymore. That is not the same party I embraced for 36 years, I'll tell you what.
 
ChezC3 said:
No there isn’t a lot of evidence to the opposite and as I said to Rogue, Biden and son need to be investigated have them show us their panties.

Trump did and they were clean

Now let’s see theirs.
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There was no active investigation into Burisma or Hunter Biden when the crook prosecutor was fired. :shrug:
 
Master Debator said:
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It's like explaining things to small children.

Yes, Giuliani, as a private citizen can talk to almost anyone he wants, what he can't do is act in an official capacity to investigate possible wrong doings by the former V.P.. If there was a real investigation it would involve the D.O.J. and State Dept., not the Presidents personal lawyer who holds no government position.
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On the other hand, what Giuliani CAN do is talk to anyone the government wants him to talk to...in an official capacity.

I've seen nothing that indicates that Rudy has been investigating anything in an official capacity.
 
Aberration said:
You can’t just call something corruption and demand it’s accepted as such. People are allowed to disagree.
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That's what the facts show. No one is "calling" it that - it is that.
 
Hatuey said:
So you've heard the call?

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
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Not even 24 hours and already moving the goalposts...

and after that, what? Bet you'll want the Ukrainian President to sit on TV with Trump, right next to him and tell the world Trump is innocent of these accusations....:shock:
:lamo
 
jmotivator said:
Well, first, The President can appoint whoever he wants to speak with a foreign dignitary. But that isn't even necessarily the process here. Look at it this way: Any private citizen can speak with a foreign dignitary on any subject, but might need authorization from the State Department to do it depending on the nature of the discussion due to the Logan Act. Since this conversation would not be a Logan Act violation, Giuliani is free to speak with officials in Ukraine regardless of Trump's authorization. Trump knowing about the conversation ahead of time doesn't change the legality of it.
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He didn't appoint the ghastly nosferatu to anything, except I guess as "Incriminater #1", given his absurd folly of shouting and screaming like a deranged lunatic on the Ingraham show.

Face it. The overwhelming majority of the country dislike Trump. Impeachment is a political process, and that's why you would have supported an impeachment of Obama had he done what Trump has done; your admission here is not required, because again. Impeachment is political.

What Trump has done here is completely trashed the public's trust at a time when the validity of -any- election in this country is questionable given the lengths and breadth of foreign interference last time. This is a fresh wound that has not even been scabbed over yet and Trump just tore it wide open, dumped salt and fire ants into it.

No one will accept the outcome of an election in which Donald is engaged now. If he loses you guys will blame the deep state; if he wins, those of us who oppose him will have VALID concerns about where his attacks originated, if they were bought with tax payer dollars, etc.

The damage is done. It's not going to be fixed. It's irrevocable. And that's why he is being impeached. Because his dishonest, no integrity stunts, his admission and then retraction, his rope-a-dope, his gas lightning, have all done irreparable damage to him as a president, and to the ethics of his office and his entire party.

The damage here is astounding and will take some time to be fully realized.
 
Jay59 said:
So, you think that Comey, Clapper, Lynch, perhaps Obama deserve Guantanamo. Good to know.
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Trump just tried to bribe a foreign president to lie for him and in addition to that, he tried to get Russia off the hook for hacking our election. That's what traitorous acts are.
 
SCrider said:
Lots of things are beyond your comprehension. It's ok though you can go back to coloring books.
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Awesome reply.

When your argument has crashed and burned, it's probably best to just move on, rather than demonstrate the maximum evel of intelligence you can bring to any discussion.
 
JasperL said:
Shokin, the prosecutor, had been protecting Hunter Biden's company and the corrupt oligarch who headed it, for years. Shokin is the reason those investigations were closed, or inactive.

Can you explain how Joe Biden wanting the guy fired who had protected and blocked and buried every investigation into Biden's company even makes sense, if his goal was to bury or obstruct investigations that the prosecutor Biden wanted fired WAS ALREADY DOING AND HAD DONE FOR YEARS?

Every reformer in Ukraine and in the international community recognized that Shokin was corrupt and they wanted him gone, in part because he protected Hunter's boss and the company. This was open. Our own ambassador explicity called out Shokin for those obstructive acts involving Hunter's boss. So this is like having a corrupt police chief protecting a drug ring, and then concluding that calls to fire the police chief who everyone knew was protecting the drug ring is evidence that the person calling for the police chief's head want to....protect the drug ring, that the police chief had been protecting for years.
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I look forward to you posting links that prove what you have claimed is true.
 
roguenuke said:
Because the international community and our country wanted him fired due to his being corrupt.

Notice how everyone except apparently Trump believes he was corrupt. There is evidence the guy was corrupt.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
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Given the massive conflict of interest, do you think Biden was the right person to put a gun to head of the Ukraine, with a 6 hour fuse holding back the trigger?

How is it that Hunter Biden can land a $50k/mo job in an industry he knows nothing about, and then have his Dad deny he knew anything about the job, and then have Dad end an investigation into that company, and Trump Haters don't see a single problem, and aren't interested in learning whether some illegal took place?

It boggles the mind....
 
ocean515 said:
Given the massive conflict of interest, do you think Biden was the right person to put a gun to head of the Ukraine, with a 6 hour fuse holding back the trigger?

How is it that Hunter Biden can land a $50k/mo job in an industry he knows nothing about, and then have his Dad deny he knew anything about the job, and then have Dad end an investigation into that company, and Trump Haters don't see a single problem, and aren't interested in learning whether some illegal took place?

It boggles the mind....
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Another Trump fan who knows exactly nothing about how Boards of Directors are appointed.

Hunter Biden was also tapped by President George W. Bush to be on the Board of Amtrak. You think that was because Hunter Biden was an expert in train travel, like he was once Choo Choo Charlie?

He was put on the Board because he is a Yale Law School graduate with a history in international business and regulatory affairs.

Look at the Board of ExxonMobil and tell us all how much experience in oil and gas the Board members from Xerox, WellPoint, IBM and Merck have.
 
tres borrachos said:
Another Trump fan who knows exactly nothing about how Boards of Directors are appointed.

Hunter Biden was also tapped by President George W. Bush to be on the Board of Amtrak. You think that was because Hunter Biden was an expert in train travel, like he was once Choo Choo Charlie?

He was put on the Board because he is a Yale Law School graduate with a history in international business and regulatory affairs.

Look at the Board of ExxonMobil and tell us all how much experience in oil and gas the Board members from Xerox, WellPoint, IBM and Merck have.
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I serve on 5 Boards of Directors Tres.. Stupid to make such a claim against me.

Hunter Biden had no experience relatable to the company he became a Director to, and from what has been reported, no previous connection to it. Try to argue that Hunter didn't score the payday because his Daddy was Vice President of the United States.

Further, it's apparent his Daddy protected him, and worse, you don't care.

Perhaps you should go climb back under your rock and rethink how you want to make an argument.
 
maxparrish said:
Either he did or did not open an investigation to focus on Burisma REGARDLESS of what his motivations were. Your crabbed imagination not-with-standing, news reports are that he did so (as provided in the links).
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Yes, he "opened" investigations, lots of them, then did nothing. One of the links that I won't bother digging up again actually looked at one of them. The case file was him 'opening' an investigation, assigning it to someone.....and that's it. That WAS the entire investigation.

Let us see if we can untangle your "logic" and situational ethics.

1) You claim (or imply) that Joe Biden's action in threatening to withhold one billion dollars if Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor was due to the prosecutor's failure to investigate corruption of, among others, the oligarchic responsible for Hunter Biden's firm's generous income. So such apparently a demand to investigate was a good and noble thing.
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First of all, this wasn't Joe Biden's policy. He was the messenger. It was supported by pretty much everyone not a corrupt oligarch puppet including the UN, UK, the Ukraine reformers who ousted Hunter's boss, the world bank, the U.S. Ambassador and more.

2) You also claim (or imply) that Donald Trump's alleged threats to also withhold money because of Ukraine's continuing failure to seriously investigate the same corrupt oligarch responsible for Hunters income, and the same board (including Hunter's role) is now a "bad thing".
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Trump didn't demand an investigation into Zlochevsky.

The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
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So you're making things up. Nice!

Well, which is it? Either an American politician threatening the Ukraine with economic reprisal if they don't do something about the corrupt oligarch and the enablers in question is a good thing or it is not. Your "argument" that it is only a good thing when Joe wants investigations under threat, but evil when Donald wants it under threat is irredeemably daffy.
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And your false equivalent is irredeemably dishonest. If you want to allege some actual wrongdoing by Hunter, do it. There's never been ANY investigation into Biden's son or even a credible or non-credible suggestion of what he might have done that's even remotely criminal.

So you now admit Hunter Biden was influence peddling with a corrupt oligarch, but "hey everybody does it"? You mean like Manafort?
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Correct, and like Rudy, and thousands of others in D.C. Justice Thomas's wife is another. Every congressman who leaves then joins some hedge fund or law firm as partner are others.

Do you honestly think that exonerates Joe Biden's conflict of interest motive in getting rid of the prosecutor who was, by all accounts, focusing on Burisma and its influence peddlers?
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By all accounts, Shokin was a puppet to the oligarchs, and specifically a puppet of Zlochevsky.
 
ocean515 said:
I serve on 5 Boards of Directors Tres.. Stupid to make such a claim against me.

Hunter Biden had no experience relatable to the company he became a Director to, and from what has been reported, no previous connection to it. Try to argue that Hunter didn't score the payday because his Daddy was Vice President of the United States.

Further, it's apparent his Daddy protected him, and worse, you don't care.

Perhaps you should go climb back under your rock and rethink how you want to make an argument.
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Now i know you're lying. But that is what you do, all the time.

And you have not said what oil and gas experience the Exxon Board members from Xerox, WellPoint, IBM and Merck have. Let's hear it.

ExxonMobil Board of Directors | ExxonMobil
 
tres borrachos said:
Now i know you're lying. But that is what you do, all the time.

And you have not said what oil and gas experience the Exxon Board members from Xerox, WellPoint, IBM and Merck have. Let's hear it.

ExxonMobil Board of Directors | ExxonMobil
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Your calling me a liar?

Prove that I am lying about what I wrote.

Geeze, you really are living on the planet of no credibility.

Let's compare the job experience and talent Douglas R. Oberhelman or Samuel J. Palmisano brings to the Board of Exxon Mobile, to the job experience and talent Hunter Biden brought to Burisma Holdings...………..
 
Master Debator said:
:lamo

We at the equivocating part of the defense? Sure! EVERYONE, uses their positions to influence foreign leaders for personal political favors. Everyone.

:lamo








Wake me when they get to pleading....this is going to be so much fun.
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Yes, everyone. All Trump did was get caught. Wake me when the voters care about political corruption when its someone in there own party.

:2wave:
 
Mycroft said:
"the V.P. engaging in diplomacy"

Is THAT what you call it???

"Dude, you have 6 hours to fire that guy or the $1 billion goes bye-bye!"

"And SON OF A BITCH!!! He was fired!"
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Yep. :thumbs:

Thats what the Obama Administration called it. The American government and the IMF wanted this prosecutor fired and Joe got him fired. Why do you seem so salty over the fact that Joe cucked the Ukrainians on behalf of America and justice? :shrug:

Mycroft said:
On the other hand, what Giuliani CAN do is talk to anyone the government wants him to talk to...in an official capacity.

I've seen nothing that indicates that Rudy has been investigating anything in an official capacity.
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If he's not then why is the President using him to gather information about Biden through Zelensky if not in an official capacity? Are you admitting Trump and Giuliani are doing this for personal reasons and not official government ones? :unsure13:
 
Trump said:
tomorrow on Hannity...Solomon will release all the Docs

Solomon only journalist doing any footwork.
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Solomon was on Levin's radio show yesterday evening talking about the story that he said will be breaking today and that it has been 18 months in the making collecting documents and doing interviews. Today I found an article at Real Clear Politics where Solomon gave an interview at OAN.



John Solomon: Democrats Attempted To Collude With Ukraine In 2016 | Video | RealClearPolitics

I did a search to see if his story was posted yet and found a story that Solomon was leaving the Hill and starting up his own news outlet. His last story posted at the Hill was just 3 days ago so maybe it will get posted there today sometime.
 
Master Debator said:
Yep. :thumbs:

Thats what the Obama Administration called it. The American government and the IMF wanted this prosecutor fired and Joe got him fired. Why do you seem so salty over the fact that Joe cucked the Ukrainians on behalf of America and justice? :shrug:
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Yeah...never mind that his son's tens of thousands of dollars a month paycheck was at stake. It's all about "justice", right?

LOL!!

If he's not then why is the President using him to gather information about Biden through Zelensky if not in an official capacity? Are you admitting Trump and Giuliani are doing this for personal reasons and not official government ones? :unsure13:
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Doing what? Talking to people? Do you think that means he's investigating anyone?

Seriously...you are not being very clear here. Do you even understand what you are trying to say?
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah...never mind that his son's tens of thousands of dollars a month paycheck was at stake. It's all about "justice", right?

LOL!!
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Considering firing the prosecutor wasn't Joe's decision nor his call to make I'd say, 'yea still all about justice'. Care to prove otherwise?

Question though, if it wasn't on the up and up and Joe went rogue here and fired this prosecutor himself without authorization from anyone why did no one speak up? Why didn't the Justice or State Dept. say anything or investigate? Why aren't they doing that now? :shrug:

Mycroft said:
Doing what? Talking to people? Do you think that means he's investigating anyone?

Seriously...you are not being very clear here. Do you even understand what you are trying to say?
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Do you? The President himself released the transcript proving Giuliani was the go between for information on Biden. If Trump and Giuliani weren't seeking this information for official purposes then what they committed and then admitted to like the ****ing morons they both are, is a crime.

Giuliani better be able to prove he was operating under some official government capacity or he's going to jail.

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ocean515 said:
Your calling me a liar?

Prove that I am lying about what I wrote.

Geeze, you really are living on the planet of no credibility.

Let's compare the job experience and talent Douglas R. Oberhelman or Samuel J. Palmisano brings to the Board of Exxon Mobile, to the job experience and talent Hunter Biden brought to Burisma Holdings...………..
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If I called you a liar you'd have seen it.

It's ExxonMobil. There is no company called Exxon Mobile.

And I'm waiting for you to tell me oil and gas industry experience the people from WellPoint, Xerox, IBM and Merck have.
 
tres borrachos said:
If I called you a liar you'd have seen it.

It's ExxonMobil. There is no company called Exxon Mobile.

And I'm waiting for you to tell me oil and gas industry experience the people from WellPoint, Xerox, IBM and Merck have.
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You're a waste of time.

You're so warped you correct me on a spacing error?

I'm waiting for you to explain how the experience brought to the board by the members of ExxonMobile's BoD compare to that of Hunter Biden.

Do you possess the faintest clue as to what the duties of a Board of Directors is?
 
Master Debator said:
Considering firing the prosecutor wasn't Joe's decision nor his call to make I'd say, 'yea still all about justice'. Care to prove otherwise?

Question though, if it wasn't on the up and up and Joe went rogue here and fired this prosecutor himself without authorization from anyone why did no one speak up? Why didn't the Justice or State Dept. say anything or investigate? Why aren't they doing that now? :shrug:
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What makes you think Biden "went rogue"? And what makes you think the DOJ isn't investigating now?

Do you? The President himself released the transcript proving Giuliani was the go between for information on Biden. If Trump and Giuliani weren't seeking this information for official purposes then what they committed and then admitted to like the ****ing morons they both are, is a crime.

Giuliani better be able to prove he was operating under some official government capacity of he's going to jail.

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Evidently you are not up to speed on the facts.

Rudy was operating with the knowledge...and approval...of the government when he talked to Zelensky's aide. In fact, it was that aide who asked the State Department to get him into contact with Rudy. It wasn't Rudy's idea and Rudy wasn't looking for information on Biden. Furthermore, Rudy fully briefed the State Department afterwards on everything he did.

It's not as if this was all done in secrecy, either. This was widely reported by mainstream media at the time.

Seriously...get the facts before you start coming to wild conclusions.
 
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