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White House releases memo of Trump-Ukraine call

ChezC3 said:
I did.

I made it so very simple for you, and yet you struggle, why would I delve further when you haven't grasped the material already present?
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No, you didn't. And i just asked you the question again. You didn't answer it.

So just post the answer now.
 
Ikari said:
I think I read that the Ukrainian President is backing Trump on this. May have jumped the impeachment gun there.
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Oh ya think?

:lamo
 
tres borrachos said:
No, you didn't. And i just asked you the question again. You didn't answer it.

So just post the answer now.
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I did, did you go back and read? It seems you didn't, for if you did, you wouldn't be asking.
 
Erod said:
Lol, the only person who's going to pay for this is Biden.
Seriously, Dems? Are you trying to lose on purpose?
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Why would Biden pay for nothing? Nothing happened regarding Biden that's newsworthy, what are you on about Erod? Right wing propaganda?
 
ChezC3 said:
I did, did you go back and read? It seems you didn't, for if you did, you wouldn't be asking.
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So in other words, no, you didn't answer.

That's because you can't answer. The POTUS has no jurisdiction over "crimes" committed in another country. The smart kids know this already.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Honestly I was hoping for more. Good luck hanging your impeachment hat on this. :shrug:
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The impeachment hat is still on the hat rack in the Dem's house (impeachment inquiry)

The Impeachment Hat will need to be removed from the rack in The Dem's House and placed on Trump's Head via A Vote to Impeach that Passes in The House and then proceeds to The Senate to achieve An Actual Constitutional Impeachment.

Roseann:)
 
What did I say? This moron is trying to equivocate between Obama officials doing diplomacy on behalf of the American people and Trumps personal request for dirt on Biden.... :lamo

****ing dumbest man on earth....
:lamo
 
Ikari said:
I think I read that the Ukrainian President is backing Trump on this. May have jumped the impeachment gun there.
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Who cares what he says? What interest can he have in throwing Trump under the bus when at the very least Trump will be POTUS through 2021.

It also cannot work out for him politically to admit to be pressured by Trump to do anything. How is that to his advantage, to be seen as Trump's little puppet?
 
I have informed @GOPLeader Kevin McCarthy and all Republicans in the House that I fully support transparency on so-called whistleblower information but also insist on transparency from Joe Biden and his son Hunter, on the millions of dollars that have been quickly and easily........taken out of Ukraine and China. Additionally, I demand transparency from Democrats that went to Ukraine and attempted to force the new President to do things that they wanted under the form of political threat.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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the game continues
 
Master Debator said:
What did I say? This moron is trying to equivocate between Obama officials doing diplomacy on behalf of the American people and Trumps personal request for dirt on Biden.... :lamo

****ing dumbest man on earth....
:lamo
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Well, that dumb man has kicked your ass in this life pretty convincingly. Lol
 
Erod said:
Well, that dumb man has kicked your ass in this life pretty convincingly. Lol
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Based on what measurement? If simply being President or "important person" is doesnt that mean the same with regards to you and Obama? Pelosi? AOC?

:shrug:
 
JasperL said:
The problem is the bolded is false. It's made up. A bunch of Trump sycophants are asserting it as fact, but they aren't backing it up because it turns the actual facts on their head.

The evidence shows that the prosecutor, Shokin, was a corrupt ****bag and was in bed with the corrupt oligarchs, protecting them from prosecution at every stop. That very explicitly INCLUDES multiple cases of Shokin blocking, instructing or killing investigations into Burisma and it's oligarch owner. When he was fired there were no open investigations into the company or its owner because Shokin was his shill, his protector, and had buried or killed them or just let them rot. If Biden wanted to protect the company and his son, the LAST thing Joe Biden would demand at the risk of a $billion in aid is for that corrupt prosecutor to be fired.
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Alas, you are not reading what was written. Your bolding of my prior text has not been shown to be false, nor has you discursive into motivations shown that to be so. You can repeat tangential points of motive that are irrelevant to the pre-facia evidence as much as you like, it does not change the evidence.

And yes Shokin, like many officials of the Ukraine, was corrupt. So of course a prosecutor without integrity might well have felt free to accept bribes and kill investigations into a corrupt Burisma, its oligarch owner, and Hunter Biden (who joined in 2014), just as he might be to then turn on the very same people and try to extort more from his clients (or try to please other corrupt politicians or voting blocks). None the less, whatever the motive, that the Prosecutor opened an investigative case (including money laundering) against the Burisma-Oligarch-Biden axis is undisputed.

Among those who had a stake in the outcome was Hunter Biden, Mr. Biden’s younger son, who at the time was on the board of an energy company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the sights of the fired prosecutor general.
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Subsequently, Biden demanded the Prosecutor be fired within six hours "or else".

Of course, Joe Biden might have had more honorable motives, and perhaps it was only a coincidence that his son would benefit. None the less, Joe Biden did not recuse himself (as required) on this issue and it is certainly fishy enough to investigate - whether or not you suffer from a poverty of imagination on the motives of the prosecutor.

Oh, and be reminded of the whole Biden history, by the way:

Biden Faces Conflict of Interest Questions That Are Being Promoted by Trump and Allies - The New York Times

Hunter Biden was a Yale-educated lawyer...lacked any experience in Ukraine and just months earlier had been discharged from the Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine. He would be paid as much as $50,000 per month in some months for his work for the company, Burisma Holdings.

But new details about Hunter Biden’s involvement,... have pushed the issue back into the spotlight... They show how Hunter Biden and his American business partners were part of a broad effort by Burisma to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations backed not just by domestic Ukrainian forces but by officials in the Obama administration.
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And, in keeping with his long history of using his father for gain:

Since then, much of Hunter Biden’s career has coincided with his father’s work as a senator and vice president. He has been a lobbyist for clients with interests before Congress; a senior vice president at a bank, MBNA, that was a major contributor to his father; and a board member of a company backed by Chinese entities, joining the firm just after his father met with leaders of that country.

As I said, what's good for Trump and Manafort in Russia is more than sufficient for Biden and son in Ukraine.
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tres borrachos said:
So in other words, no, you didn't answer.

That's because you can't answer. The POTUS has no jurisdiction over "crimes" committed in another country. The smart kids know this already.
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Is that what this is all about? "Smart kids" thinking they're smart? :lamo

The smart kids know that the VP threatening to hold $1B in aid to a country until a prosecutor of that country is fired at the VP's son's behest isn't about a "crime committed in another country" but one here, on American soil. The smart kids also know that it is perfectly within the jurisdiction of the President to open an investigation into this.

The "smart kids" have already seen I gave this answer, without it having to be spoon feed them...

Why are you talking about what the "smart kids" know, eh?

:lamo
 
Master Debator said:
You're the one who didn't seem to understand the difference between investigative journalism and a criminal investigation....
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I understand people change contexts and misrepresent what people have said when they've utterly failed at their pathetic attempt to grasp a straw...

You must be one of them "smart kids" tres was talking about....

:lamo
 
ChezC3 said:
I understand people change contexts and misrepresent what people have said when they've utterly failed at their pathetic attempt to grasp a straw...

You must be one of them "smart kids" tres was talking about....

:lamo
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Then please, provide the context for asking about investigative journalism and its connection to Giuliani and The President of Ukraine illegally investigating Biden for the personal gain of Donald Trump.
 
Master Debator said:
Then please, provide the context for asking about investigative journalism and its connection to Giuliani and The President of Ukraine illegally investigating Biden for the personal gain of Donald Trump.
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I've already gone over this, you didn't get it the first time, then you must review your notes, not ask the teacher to reteach.
 
trixare4kids said:
It's a happy day for us, patriots, who care more about this country than the shameless Democrats.
That's for darn sure...
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Yes, it is!!! Yes, we do!!! It surely is!!!

Patriots Love America, Love Our Constitution and Our Bill of rights (and don't' want to alter either document via means not allowed by those documents), Love Our Flag and what it symbolizes, Love Those who protect Our Nation via their willingness to sacrifice their Lives to keep Us Free and Safe. Love Our Fellow Citizens regardless of political differences. Love the idea United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Love Our Republic/Democracy form of Government. (which is not a pure Democracy)

The United States of America was founded in 1776, making the country 243 years old as of 2019.

America is not yet perfect but over those 243 years America has made many improvements via Our System of Government.

:ind::2usflag::ind: God Bless America and The Whole World.

Roseann:)
 
ChezC3 said:
Is that what this is all about? "Smart kids" thinking they're smart? :lamo

The smart kids know that the VP threatening to hold $1B in aid to a country until a prosecutor of that country is fired at the VP's son's behest isn't about a "crime committed in another country" but one here, on American soil. The smart kids also know that it is perfectly within the jurisdiction of the President to open an investigation into this.

The "smart kids" have already seen I gave this answer, without it having to be spoon feed them...

Why are you talking about what the "smart kids" know, eh?

:lamo
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You still have not answered the question. That's because you can't. Because if you're going to be honest (if you can), you know that Trump has zero jurisdiction over the Ukraine. And you have exactly no evidence that the "prosecutor of that country was fired at the VP's son's behest". So now you're just lying.

Even if he was fired (by the Ukraine) at the "VP's son's behest" (and I can't believe you actually posted something so ignorant), it still is not a crime in this country. It would be a crime in the Ukraine if anywhere.

You are embarrassing yourself, but it's what I've come to expect from Trump fluffers.
 
maxparrish said:
Alas, you are not reading what was written. Your bolding of my prior text has not been shown to be false, nor has you discursive into motivations shown that to be so. You can repeat tangential points of motive that are irrelevant to the pre-facia evidence as much as you like, it does not change the evidence.
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I've said what I need to on other threads, but if you believe there were open investigations into Burisma and/or the oligarch who headed it when Biden got the corrupt Shokin fired, show your evidence.

And yes Shokin, like many officials of the Ukraine, was corrupt. So of course a prosecutor without integrity might well have felt free to accept bribes and kill investigations into a corrupt Burisma, its oligarch owner, and Hunter Biden (who joined in 2014), just as he might be to then turn on the very same people and try to extort more from his clients (or try to please other corrupt politicians or voting blocks). None the less, whatever the motive, that the Prosecutor opened an investigative case (including money laundering) against the Burisma-Oligarch-Biden axis is undisputed.
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Link to this 'undisputed' fact?

Subsequently, Biden demanded the Prosecutor be fired within six hours "or else".

Of course, Joe Biden might have had more honorable motives, and perhaps it was only a coincidence that his son would benefit.
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Link to any evidence Hunter would benefit from the firing of the prosecutor who was his boss's good buddy in the prosecutor's office and had protected him for years, including slow walking a case brought by the UK that allowed Hunter's boss access $23 million in blocked funds?

I didn't bother addressing the rest. If you want to start with the above, the basics, we can debate further. I'm not expecting anything because I don't think you can back any of it up.
 
JasperL said:
Who cares what he says? What interest can he have in throwing Trump under the bus when at the very least Trump will be POTUS through 2021.

It also cannot work out for him politically to admit to be pressured by Trump to do anything. How is that to his advantage, to be seen as Trump's little puppet?
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Did you read the ass kissing that Zelensky was doing in that call with Trump? You know Trump was orgasming at the heaps of praise from Zelensky - I mean, when he wasn't selling out a war hero and former FBI Director and lifelong civil servant named Robert Mueller to the head of another country.
 
ChezC3 said:
I've already gone over this, you didn't get it the first time, then you must review your notes, not ask the teacher to reteach.
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Sure. Buddy. Transcripts are there. You appear so knowledgeable....:lamo
 
JasperL said:
Who cares what he says? What interest can he have in throwing Trump under the bus when at the very least Trump will be POTUS through 2021.

It also cannot work out for him politically to admit to be pressured by Trump to do anything. How is that to his advantage, to be seen as Trump's little puppet?
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Well the thing is, it seems that Trump pressuring Ukraine is a big part of this. So any investigation is going to try to establish and prove that there was pressure. While you are right in that the Ukrainian President backing Trump here doesn't prove that Trump did nothing wrong, it does present a challenge to the proof that Trump threatened/pressured Ukraine.
 
tres borrachos said:
You still have not answered the question. That's because you can't. Because if you're going to be honest (if you can), you know that Trump has zero jurisdiction over the Ukraine. And you have exactly no evidence that the "prosecutor of that country was fired at the VP's son's behest". So now you're just lying.

Even if he was fired (by the Ukraine) at the "VP's son's behest" (and I can't believe you actually posted something so ignorant), it still is not a crime in this country. It would be a crime in the Ukraine if anywhere.

You are embarrassing yourself, but it's what I've come to expect from Trump fluffers.
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I should have figured....

The smart kids know just because you wish it, doesn't make it so...

:lamo
 
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