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Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden's Son

Cardinal said:
A US President using his office to pressure a foreign country to interfere in our election.



Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son - WSJ
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Trump wants to help end the corruption in Ukraine and investigating Biden's son is a good start to that,
his suggestion is good foreign policy. Biden on the other hand was aware of the corruption in Ukraine
and took advantage of it, rather than trying to stem bribery & graft in Ukraine he in fact exploited it!!!

It's odd to believe Trump made that call to embarrass a political opponent, Listen, if
Trumps intentions were to do that he would have called China where Biden landed even a load
of more money for his son. The Ukraine job was just small potatoes compared to the China
deal Joe got from China for his sons fledgling private equity firm!

Knowing Google I'm surprised they haven't taken down this video in the light of recent events,

YouTube

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yankintx said:
The Ukraine has already investigated, there was no wrong doing on the part of Hunter Biden. So sorry Adorables, no do overs.
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That's hard to believe. $83,000 per month with no background in energy. yea, sure. No improprieties. Strange Joey Jr. quit just before Joe Sr. announced.
 
nitroexpress said:
That's hard to believe. $83,000 per month with no background in energy. yea, sure. No improprieties. Strange Joey Jr. quit just before Joe Sr. announced.
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1+1=3

Keep grasping, investigation is over, no improprieties. No do overs, such is politics.

Trump suggest Bidens finances be investigated, why should they, Trump is not transparent with his books. See the precedent Rump has accomplished? Works both ways.
 
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slick said:
Trump wants to help end the corruption in Ukraine and investigating Biden's son is a good start to that,
his suggestion is good foreign policy. Biden on the other hand was aware of the corruption in Ukraine
and took advantage of it, rather than trying to stem bribery & graft in Ukraine he in fact exploited it!!!

It's odd to believe Trump made that call to embarrass a political opponent, Listen, if
Trumps intentions were to do that he would have called China where Biden landed even a load
of more money for his son. The Ukraine job was just small potatoes compared to the China
deal Joe got from China for his sons fledgling private equity firm!

Knowing Google I'm surprised they haven't taken down this video in the light of recent events,

YouTube

YouTube
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The revolution against Putin's influence was because of a corrupt dictator who was lining his pockets and those of his friends. The new Democratically elected President has made great strides in fighting corruption, Biden helped the effort by demanding the corrupt Prosecutor be removed. Imagine the Presidents surprise when the current U.S. President demands that he be involved in corruption or face a stoppage of the arms to fight Putin's aggression that the U.S. Congress provided. Truly a new low for Trump and as long as he keeps getting away with it, it will get worse.
 
slick said:
Trump wants to help end the corruption in Ukraine and investigating Biden's son is a good start to that,
his suggestion is good foreign policy. Biden on the other hand was aware of the corruption in Ukraine
and took advantage of it, rather than trying to stem bribery & graft in Ukraine he in fact exploited it!!!

It's odd to believe Trump made that call to embarrass a political opponent, Listen, if
Trumps intentions were to do that he would have called China where Biden landed even a load
of more money for his son. The Ukraine job was just small potatoes compared to the China
deal Joe got from China for his sons fledgling private equity firm!

Knowing Google I'm surprised they haven't taken down this video in the light of recent events,

YouTube

YouTube
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Really slick, you should try a good faith argument every once in awhile. An argument like that is like pissing on my face and telling me it's raining.

You're trying to tell me that, out of the goodness of his heart, Trump was trying to end corruption in Ukraine, by withholding funding for the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative(A program providing designated loan guarantees, with the goal of systemically reducing corruption in Ukraine), and hinging it on the result of actions directed at a single target(rather than the systemic issues), who just happens to be related to his potential opponent in the upcoming election?

It's all rather pathetic, really.

Now try to explain why Trump relied on Rudy Giuliani, a man who doesn't work for the government in any capacity, to try to get this done.
 
upsideguy said:
Typical... you got nothing. I don't blame you for not wanting to show the rest of us where you get your news. No one likes being laughed at. But, of course, the net-net, you can't defend your claims, so by rules of debate, we get to consider them NOT TRUE.

The sources I consider reputable, most of the world reputable. I don't read political porn.

This is pretty good guide of reputable sources.

Media Bias/Fact Check - Search and Learn the Bias of News Media

If your statement can't be verified by from sources labeled as having "high" factual integrity, then your statetments can't be verified.... so why waste all of our time by making them.
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LOL!!

If "Media Bias Fact Check" is your go to source...if you think they are "reputable"...I suggest you find another source.

Better yet, just teach yourself to dismiss the bias you see from ANY news source and glean the facts. Then you can let your own bias interpret the facts. That way you are not regurgitating the bias from someone else. It'll just be yours.
 
Can you imagine the nuclear meltdown liberals would be having if instead of Biden arranging a BILLION dollar bribe for his son, it was Trump?

If it weren't for double standards, what standards would liberals have?

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Cardinal said:
A US President using his office to pressure a foreign country to interfere in our election.

Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son - WSJ
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The left has been out foxed again by Trump. Justice was never served when Biden, as VP under Obama, pressured the Ukraine government to fire the prosecutor who was investigating his son for corrupt dealings with an Oligarch. There is audio tape of Biden bragging about how he got the prosecutor fired by threatening to without $billions in US aid, Obama promised to Ukraine.

The media buried this story and the audio tape, but now Trump tricked the fools into making a big deal about this, so when it all comes to a climax, the tape will be made mainstream.

Trump knows he is being wired tapped by all types of intel agencies on both sides of the phone. He also knows there are swamp people in these agencies who are looking for things to leak to get him. All you need to do is throw them a bone, and they toss it to fake news, who will provide a noose, to hang themselves. Trump is enjoying messing with the morons. The dual justice system is being corrected one crook at a time.

Senator Warren may be next in line to replace Biden. She has a some dirt that may be released, with a leak. Fake news will try not to get caught again, but in doing so will fall into a different trap. They are too easy.
 
HumblePi said:
It sounds so profoundly implausible that nobody would believe it even it was a movie starring Daniel Lewis as Trump and Harrison Ford as Rudy Giuliani.
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no acting skills are required whatsoever to play such 2 dimensional characters. I'm thinking Hamburgler for Trump. Rudy could actually be played by a pot of congealed rancid grease
 
Mach said:
If it’s reasonably evidenced it is quid pro quo, will you oppose trump? That’s all that really matters..we’ve heard you and others rationalize all the known bad for. 3 years. And I’f you won’t oppose him, you are complicit and your arguments are irrelevant to debate since there is no standards you’ll accept to oppose him.
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Oh, stop with the "If you support Trump, you are xyz".
If you supported Obama, you were complicit in putting kids in cages and killing them with drone strikes.
 
Peter King said:
From what I understood it was "you are going to investigate or I will hold off with my 250 million in aid".
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That is not my understanding, as the latest WSJ reporting supports. But, we'll see.
 
did you Trump voters really not know that Trump was this corrupt? did you do no research at all???
 
Nothing from Pelosi yet. What nonsense argument will she use against impeachment this time? She has to understand that if she constantly takes impeachment off the table trump will always be emboldened to do worse.
 
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Vern said:
How about a nothing blackened sea bass with lemon garlic herb sauce and with asparagus tips and rice pilaf on the side.
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That sounds very nice, but final decision rest on the choice of wine...
 
Acadia said:
That is not my understanding, as the latest WSJ reporting supports. But, we'll see.
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How explicit is it required t believe before you believe that sort of thing matters? Everyone needs something from the U.S., especially Ukraine with Russia taking their territory, installing mobsters w/Paul Manafort's help, etc. They need arms, they need aid, they need solidarity with an ally like the U.S. to fend off Putin. Trump prefers Putin to Ukraine - everyone knows. They are near-desparate. And Trump's gonna demand them to investigate Biden, his political rival, at the same time they put a hold on foreign aid? Even without the foreign aid, it's defact quid pro quo, there is no "we will see" about it. The facts are already there, just like on obstruction, just like on collusion (not illegal conspiracy), etc. Sicne Trump cannot be indicted, he can never while in office be indicted..he cannot be "legally found guilty". So what is your standard for holding him to account if those two can *never* be met?
Acadia said:
Oh, stop with the "If you support Trump, you are xyz". If you supported Obama, you were complicit in putting kids in cages and killing them with drone strikes.
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Stop with reason? You would like that wouldn't you.

But you dodged that simple question Acadia:
If it’s reasonably evidenced it is quid pro quo, will you oppose trump?

So would you?
 
slick said:
Trump wants to help end the corruption in Ukraine and investigating Biden's son is a good start to that,
his suggestion is good foreign policy. Biden on the other hand was aware of the corruption in Ukraine
and took advantage of it, rather than trying to stem bribery & graft in Ukraine he in fact exploited it!!!

It's odd to believe Trump made that call to embarrass a political opponent, Listen, if
Trumps intentions were to do that he would have called China where Biden landed even a load
of more money for his son. The Ukraine job was just small potatoes compared to the China
deal Joe got from China for his sons fledgling private equity firm!

Knowing Google I'm surprised they haven't taken down this video in the light of recent events,

YouTube

YouTube
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- First, let's not pretend you understand foreign policy when your idea of good policy is an attempt to use foreign agents to do harm to American citizens.

- Second, if this is true it is treachery. But you should find comfort in the fact that this isn't as bad as what Nixon did when his campaign team sabotaged Johnson's peace talks with Hanoi, thereby prolonging the Vietnam War for years and unnecessarily killing more Americans.

- Third, there would be nothing odd about Trump's behavior here. He has used the military as a personal ATM machine to support his partisan adventures and his private businesses, he has denigrated American Intelligence agencies in front of news cameras and a Russian dictator, he had passed on Intel to enemies, and he has made it a point to alert the world that at the end of the day only he and his ego matters. And as you have seen when Trump denigrated his own support at a rally, he would take a massive **** on your face if it meant somebody, somewhere would offer him applause for it.

- Fourth, you don't "know" Google. You know right-wing propaganda and have allowed FOX News to help you develop a self-preservation tool (fake-news nonsense) that allows you to deny the world and the reality of it so that you can maintain an obtuse posture. One of your YouTube links was posted only in September 20 and merely pushes the propaganda without the contexts and without all the facts. Your other YouTube link makes it clear that this Biden thing has been known since 2014 and that Trump & Co are merely rehashing for his re-election. And does it even matter to you that Ukraine's officials have declared that Trump is just looking for foreign agents to deliver political dirt and that they have no indication that any laws were broken?

This is Trump shoveling bull ****, once again, as you grab a spoon and a fork. Usually this is about deflecting from his own clearly documented bad behavior. In this case, it would be to try to spread the wealth when it comes to exploiting political position for money (Air Force staying at his properties). But this time, he is also seeking re-election and using every decrepit play in the third world "**** hole" book. But don't blame Trump for merely exploiting your ignorance. He does it all the time.
 
Cardinal said:
Nothing from Pelosi yet. What nonsense argument will she use against impeachment this time? She has to understand that if she constantly takes impeachment off the table trump will always be emboldened to do worse.
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And Republicans will use it to say look at Democrats, if they were so concerned they would impeach.
And since we keep saying impeach but nothing happens, they also get to say "look, they are impeach-crazed and are just saying it for political effect".
And Democrats feel there is no leadership in the Democratic party, it's a timid group that got steam-rolled the entire presidency, but especially now that they have the House.

Gotta put political pressure on Democrats (outside of DP obviously).
 
3leftsdoo said:
Can you imagine the nuclear meltdown liberals would be having if instead of Biden arranging a BILLION dollar bribe for his son, it was Trump?

If it weren't for double standards, what standards would liberals have?

:confused:
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I've heard plenty of people say they're open to investigating Biden. I am. Throw him in jail if he's done something wrong. However, the Government has a lot of resources to conduct investigation, and Rudy Giuliani is absolutely not one of those resources. He does not work for the government in any capacity. So along with the withholding of military aid(which has a secondary goal of reducing corruption in Ukraine) do you really think that questions about this issue are illegitimate?

Are you open to having Trump investigated for this?
 
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Mach said:
How explicit is it required t believe before you believe that sort of thing matters? Everyone needs something from the U.S., especially Ukraine with Russia taking their territory, installing mobsters w/Paul Manafort's help, etc. They need arms, they need aid, they need solidarity with an ally like the U.S. to fend off Putin. Trump prefers Putin to Ukraine - everyone knows. They are near-desparate. And Trump's gonna demand them to investigate Biden, his political rival, at the same time they put a hold on foreign aid? Even without the foreign aid, it's defact quid pro quo, there is no "we will see" about it. The facts are already there, just like on obstruction, just like on collusion (not illegal conspiracy), etc. Sicne Trump cannot be indicted, he can never while in office be indicted..he cannot be "legally found guilty". So what is your standard for holding him to account if those two can *never* be met? Stop with reason? You would like that wouldn't you.

But you dodged that simple question Acadia:
If it’s reasonably evidenced it is quid pro quo, will you oppose trump?

So would you?
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I oppose corruption. Apparently you don't if your guys are doing it.
 
Acadia said:
I oppose corruption. Apparently you don't if your guys are doing it.
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The President using the power of the U.S. government to coerce a foreign government to interfere in his election is the very definition of corruption.

This Biden stuff is a red herring, there is no evidence supporting it, that's why Rudy filibustered Cuomo for 28 out of 30 minutes of their segment; and even if it were in any way true, the President should not interfere in whatever investigation Ukraine may or may not engage in.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Can you imagine the nuclear meltdown liberals would be having if instead of Biden arranging a BILLION dollar bribe for his son, it was Trump?

If it weren't for double standards, what standards would liberals have?

:confused:
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It's not that complicated:

The President of the United States of America should not be asking a foreign government to interfere in his election by launching an investigation of his main rival.
 
W_Heisenberg;1070629590[B said:
]The President using the power of the U.S. government to coerce a foreign government to interfere in his election is the very definition of corruption.[/B]

This Biden stuff is a red herring, there is no evidence supporting it, that's why Rudy filibustered Cuomo for 28 out of 30 minutes of their segment; and even if it were in any way true, the President should not interfere in whatever investigation Ukraine may or may not engage in.
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We'll see, won't we?. Meanwhile, particularly in light of the fact that this ain't our first rodeo with breathless, non-stop, hair-on-fire-conjecture masquerading as journalism, I think I'll wait for the rest of the story.
 
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