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Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

What's ridiculous is cherry picking a handful of extreme predictions and concluding that because those cherry picked individuals were wrong 50 years ago about, say, famine or pollution, or the climate that it should inform a decision about the legitimacy of climate change predictions as we sit here in 2019.

I'm sorry but it's just stupid. It implies that climate science hasn't advanced in decades. That what we know now is what we knew 50 or 100 years ago. You can't make that claim about anything in any field involved in climate study. I'm not a climate scientist so I don't waste time debating the merits of something I'm no expert in, but if you want to criticize climate predictions in 2019, the state of the science as we sit here, you can't legitimately point to some guy in 1960 and say, LMMFAO LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! HE WAS SOOOOO WRONG, THEREFORE....... ANYTHING.

If you think the scientists in this era are wrong, you have to address the arguments they are making in THIS ERA.

Cherry picking? Why dont you point out their climate predictions that have actually been proven true then. Go on.

The stuff they are saying now is the same things theyve been saying before- that cities will get sunk underwater and the ice caps will melt- none of these things have happened.

For what its worth, I'm genuinely sorry our education system failed you. I'm not being snide, I mean it. Systemic problems, like those found in our education system, have led to people like you gleefully rejecting obvious reality. The world is laughing at us because of it. And each successive generation will have to suffer greater and greater consequences as a result.

Ah, just more personal attacks. You falsely claim to address the topic, but you just do more fallacious ad homs. This is the kind of fanatical belief system your kind has- no facts, just insane propaganda. Thank you for confirming it.

Good God! Another science denier. Here’s something for you to believe in:

The Flat Earth Society

Putting out a list of failed predictions is denying science?

Straw man - Wikipedia
 
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Some predicted an economic depression/recession would hit in 2016. It did not happen. I guess that means depressions will never happen?

We are due. Recessions strike over and over again and bring the market back to where it should be. The Fed can delay it but not forever.
 
Some predicted an economic depression/recession would hit in 2016. It did not happen. I guess that means depressions will never happen?

The climate change faithful never seem to confess to the missed predictions, they just make up a new one. There are plenty of scientist that disagree but they are not listened to.
 
Doomsdays that didn’t happen: Think tank compiles decades’ worth of dire climate predictions | Fox News





I'm glad that at least some in the MSM are reporting that this apocalyptic climate nonsense as just that, nonsense.

I think we are at a turning point in the climate. I think that the process is long and slow at times but there are times when change comes about quickly. Without question there was some major abrupt change that started the build up of ice to create the Laurentide Ice Sheet. There also had to be a very significant change to start melting it. All that ice should have had a snowball effect yet all of sudden it started melting and in a relatively short period of time was gone.

We clearly have no idea what triggers the change but I think we are living in a period of time when that change may not be too far off. If so we may get to see first hand what triggers ice ages or the melting of all the ice. The problem is it could happen tomorrow or a thousand years from now. Just my opinion. Heck the earth could warm up like it did when the dinosaurs were around for a few hundred million years.
 
> Ah, just more personal attacks. You falsely claim to address the topic, but you just do more fallacious ad homs. This is the kind of fanatical belief system your kind has- no facts, just insane propaganda. Thank you for confirming it.

Dude, WTF. Did you even actually read my post? Please re-read it again without being such a snowflake and actually look at the substance of it. I DIRECTLY addressed your article and the crap you've been posting. All you could see was the last sentence or two about how our broken education system leads to people ignoring fact, as you just did when you skipped over my post. Jesus Christ dude.

For the love of god, how on Earth is citing a UN report and a pentagon report "insane propaganda"? I laid out a very clear argument with examples and citations. I don't know you, so I don't have any ad hominem points to make. Looking at EVIDENCE is not a "fanatical belief system". A fanatical belief system would be willfully ignoring reason when its very simply laid out in front of you.

Please, just re-read my post and look at the actual arguments being made. They're good ones, and they're based in fact and reason.
 
There is no excess water. It's a closed system.

Not if you siphon water into space.

Then the coastlines won't be where they are in the future creating temporal disturbance.
 
Cherry picking? Why dont you point out their climate predictions that have actually been proven true then. Go on.

The stuff they are saying now is the same things theyve been saying before- that cities will get sunk underwater and the ice caps will melt- none of these things have happened.



Ah, just more personal attacks. You falsely claim to address the topic, but you just do more fallacious ad homs. This is the kind of fanatical belief system your kind has- no facts, just insane propaganda. Thank you for confirming it.



Putting out a list of failed predictions is denying science?

Straw man - Wikipedia


Please see my above post for my response, since I didn't link it correctly so you didn't get a notification. I look forward to you reading the arguments and evidence I presented.
 
I am more concerned about CO2 driving down plant protein levels than I am The Day After Tomorrow scenarios.

I thought plants loved CO2? Plant production will probably go up.
 
Didn't Gore say we'd all be dead by now?

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Please see my above post for my response, since I didn't link it correctly so you didn't get a notification. I look forward to you reading the arguments and evidence I presented.

You have really not shown evidence for anything to back your views on. If by mentioning a UN report you mean the IPCC papers, refer to this thread. They are a political organization, with an agenda.

The IPCC Is Wrong
I think we are at a turning point in the climate. I think that the process is long and slow at times but there are times when change comes about quickly. Without question there was some major abrupt change that started the build up of ice to create the Laurentide Ice Sheet. There also had to be a very significant change to start melting it. All that ice should have had a snowball effect yet all of sudden it started melting and in a relatively short period of time was gone.

We clearly have no idea what triggers the change but I think we are living in a period of time when that change may not be too far off. If so we may get to see first hand what triggers ice ages or the melting of all the ice. The problem is it could happen tomorrow or a thousand years from now. Just my opinion. Heck the earth could warm up like it did when the dinosaurs were around for a few hundred million years.

You bring up some good points, namely that we dont know what is triggering the change other than a suspicion of CO2 emissions. But I would counter your other point that a change is not too far off by simply stating that all this may just be a result of a natural cycle- and may not be manmade at all.

Ummm...wut? Not a single one of these doomsday predictions has been proven wrong yet. In fact, they're still right on schedule with some concerns coming out recently that things could actually be worse and we're heating up faster than we originally thought.

The most severe damage done by Climate Change likely won't be seen until a good 30 years down the road and maybe longer than that, but this problem is like a snowball rolling down a hill. There comes a point where the momentum will make it to great to stop and we don't want to get to that point.

LOL BS- its been 40-50 years since these predictions were made and they specifically stated that these cataclysms should have happened by now. The fact that they didnt means they are debunked.

Because a few specific predictions about doomsday scenarios on specific timelines did not occur, ALL predictions about doomsday scenarios on ALL timelines will NEVER occur.

That's the idiotic OP in a nutshell.

Name their predictions that came through then.

Lol. So dramatic. Click bait from Fox News as usual. They cannot help but put a huge picture of their darling AOC. Apocalyptic? :lamo Dramatic.

Are you denying she said there's only 12 years left before we all die?
 
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You have really not shown evidence for anything to back your views on. If by mentioning a UN report you mean the IPCC papers, refer to this thread. They are a political organization, with an agenda.

The IPCC Is Wrong


You bring up some good points, namely that we dont know what is triggering the change other than a suspicion of CO2 emissions. But I would counter your other point that a change is not too far off by simply stating that all this may just be a result of a natural cycle- and may not be manmade at all.



LOL BS- its been 40-50 years since these predictions were made and they specifically stated that these cataclysms should have happened by now. The fact that they didnt means they are debunked.



Name their predictions that came through then.



Are you denying she said there's only 12 years left before we all die?



No, that was not an IPCC report I was referring to. It's the FAO, Food & Agriculture Org. You simply cannot be saying that topsoil degradation isn't real, that's beyond insane. Please refer back to my original post. Even if you dispute climate change, the degradation of topsoil and its severe dangers to the global food supply is beyond reproach.

Now, onto climate change: how do we know it's not natural? For the past 800,000 years the global CO2 level has never passed 300 parts per million. Then, after the industrial revolution, it spiked past 400 PPM and continues to rise sharply. I remember learning about this in 5th grade. Look at a graph of this and any child can tell you its not the natural cycle of the Earth. It's essentially a steady rise and fall for hundreds of thousands of years, followed by a massive vertical line. The idea that the Earth suddenly did this on its own magically without human intervention has no rational explanation. And if you say, well, how do we know CO2 causes global warming: Since the 1860s we've known that CO2 levels in the atmosphere trap heat, in the famous "Greenhouse gas effect," and correlate to higher temperatures. That's just physics.

Since you claim the IPCC is advancing some liberal conspiracy, why do you reject the Pentagon's findings that climate change is accelerating and poses a national security threat? I guess its all those tree-hugging commies in the military who are working on behalf of liberals?

As I said in my previous post, the point is not pinpointing the exact date of a "doomsday." It's that there are gradual environmental changes occurring that over time will have severe negative consequences. There will be no biblical apocalypse all at once. It happens slowly, but surely.

Also, I'm curious: you seem to think that science is political, that human-cased climate change is part of some liberal conspiracy. Why would thousands of scientists spend decades getting advanced degrees, then go through a meticulous process of data collection, analysis and verification, then the rigor of peer review and publication and debate, all to push some shadowy liberal conspiracy? What exactly would this accomplish, and why would incredibly intelligent people devote their lives to some plot?
 
Please refer back to my original post. Even if you dispute climate change, the degradation of topsoil and its severe dangers to the global food supply is beyond reproach.
What dangers to the global food supply? Post some links about it.

The slight temp increase has actually led to record crop growth.

Now, onto climate change: how do we know it's not natural? For the past 800,000 years the global CO2 level has never passed 300 parts per million.

Youre obviously using proxies as a source, and that's just pure speculation. Try again. The only true meteorological information we've gotten is when satellites went up in the 70's, so anything prior to that are just estimates.

Since the 1860s we've known that CO2 levels in the atmosphere trap heat, in the famous "Greenhouse gas effect," and correlate to higher temperatures.

BS, accurate global temp readings didnt take place until 1970s or thereabouts. We cant be sure about accurate readings prior to that.

Since you claim the IPCC is advancing some liberal conspiracy, why do you reject the Pentagon's findings that climate change is accelerating and poses a national security threat? I guess its all those tree-hugging commies in the military who are working on behalf of liberals?

All governmental organizations have an agenda- which is to get funding for their programs and retain their employees. The more hyperbole they put out there, the more money theyre going to get.

Now let's get back on topic and talk about failed predictions by scientists- if these people got it wrong more than once, why should anybody listen to them now? What's changed?
 
I am more concerned about CO2 driving down plant protein levels than I am The Day After Tomorrow scenarios.

Take a protein supplement if it really worries you?
 
Take a protein supplement if it really worries you?

I am not worried about it for me. I am worried about it for insects and animals over the long-haul. I will be compost well before this reaches critical levels.
 
I am not worried about it for me. I am worried about it for insects and animals over the long-haul. I will be compost well before this reaches critical levels.

Well, if it's is like any of the other dire predictions you have nothing to worry about
 
Some predicted an economic depression/recession would hit in 2016. It did not happen. I guess that means depressions will never happen?

When are you planning your trip to China to protest their holocaust level pollution standards at Tienanmen Square, since they are the worst polluter on the planet?
 
That's assuming it goes away?

Studies show that as CO2 goes up plant growth does increase but protein density goes down.

So it is a good assumption to make.
 
Ummm...wut? Not a single one of these doomsday predictions has been proven wrong yet. In fact, they're still right on schedule with some concerns coming out recently that things could actually be worse and we're heating up faster than we originally thought.

The most severe damage done by Climate Change likely won't be seen until a good 30 years down the road and maybe longer than that, but this problem is like a snowball rolling down a hill. There comes a point where the momentum will make it to great to stop and we don't want to get to that point.

Not a single one of these doomsday predictions has been proven wrong yet
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Their prediction has been proven wrong with a time/date that has come and gone?
 
It is not about dire predictions. It is about chronic issues.I don't expect that you really care, but if you or someone else is interested in this issue, here are two starting points:

As for people: Millions at risk of protein deficiency as carbon emissions rise - CBS News

As for insects: How Rising CO2 Levels May Contribute to Die-Off of Bees - Yale E360
How Rising CO2 Levels May Contribute to Die-Off of Bees - Yale E360

Bees dying off?

Every year I walk by my Ornamental trees that bloom/ Tons of bee's every year. Why?

And how much plant protein has been lowed so far?
 
Studies show that as CO2 goes up plant growth does increase but protein density goes down.

So it is a good assumption to make.

By how much?

Is the number really insignificant anyway?
 
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