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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

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    NO! NO! NO! - This time it'll really happen!



    When in reality:
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    "change-the-entire-economy thing" driven by idiotic public policies that would leave the left in political power of everything?

    Hard Pass.

    This sounds far more promising and far less disruptive to the economy, freedom and liberty.
    Which is what the hysteria-mongering republicans will be doing everything they can to spread that lie...well, obviously started doing from day 1.
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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Not one of the major climate changes you allude which occurred "eons" ago have anything to do with the current climate changes. And unlike all of those ancient events which took place over thousands to tens of thousands to million year periods, the current period of warming has occurred with lightning speed by comparison and can be accurately timed with the immense increase in the burning of coal and oil over the past two hundred years.
    And you can prove your claims how?



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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    If you don't even know the words of science why do you think your qualified to comment? Oh, wait. Trump***per. Carry on.
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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Which is what the hysteria-mongering republicans will be doing everything they can to spread that lie...well, obviously started doing from day 1.
    The quote is from AOC's chief of staff, former, I think.

    Pretty clear the 'Climate Change' hoax is little more than a means for a political power grab by the left. Why else would the Obama's buy a $15M house at sea level?

    Rather then turning nation's economies upside down and inside out, this seems far more reasonable a solution to what is claimed to be the real problem.


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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So?



    Ice cores are not exact meteorological data- they are proxies. If you cant even figure this out on a basic level then it's pointless trying to argue with you.


    Absolutely. Paleoclimatology is an inexact science- just estimates of estimates, with no systematic measurements. Nature magazine has gotten things wrong many times.


    Appeal to authority fallacy.

    'One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority." ... Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.'
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    Its clear you didnt even bother to read the article: Erlich, James Hansen, Stephen Schneider, George Kukla, SI Rasool and others are all cited in newspaper clippings by name, and they are or were prominent climate scientists when those reports came out. You arent fooling anyone.

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    Carl Sagan would be appalled at how you're misapplying his quote. I grew up watching his show and reading his books. He's one of the people who inspired me to pursue a career in the sciences. Let's take a closer look: "Authorities must PROVE their contentions like everybody else." Prove. As in, provide evidence for, have it peer reviewed, and debated on its own merits. All the studies I linked have passed this rigorous process.

    Regarding your absurd contention about proxies: you sound like one of those people who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old because we can't trust radiocarbon dating. Since we haven't had weather satellites for 800,000 years, systematic measurements (to borrow your term) of ice samples are as good as it gets.

    > "Appeal to authority fallacy."

    You're clearly not understanding my point. I'm not saying "scientists are smart so accept what they say if they don't provide evidence and get it peer reviewed". I'm asking you this question: why would all these smart, promising people waste their lives falsifying evidence, and pretend to debate their data for years, for the sake of some liberal agenda?

    > "So?"

    I assume you're joking. You asked for evidence to prove that soil is being degraded globally. I provided it.
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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Someone who doesn't know ice cores are proxies has no business discussing climatology.

    You have really stepped in **** now and made my day doing it. It's always fun to catch one of you in a blatant lie but particularly when you think you've scored with it. Here's what PoS (so aptly named) wrote:

    Ice cores are not exact meteorological data- they are proxies. If you cant even figure this out on a basic level then it's pointless trying to argue with you.
    So, of course, as a climate-ignorant fool he's the one who didn't obvious didn't know proxies were valid sources of data. My response was this:

    I can't even imagine what you think you mean by calling that "proxies" but I'm sure it will be hilarious to have you attempt to explain it.
    Just to be crystal clear: That comment doesn't even imply much less state that I didn't know that ice core data is proxy date. So, thanks for being both a poor reader and someone who's more than happy to apply that poverty to a lie. I can't wait for you now to be the one who's going to claim you never wrote what I copied and pasted at the top of this comment. You can resume the lie.....NOW.

    P.S. Even PoS wasn't stupid enough to actually try to come back and explain his idiotic remark but you then you came along.
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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The quote is from AOC's chief of staff, former, I think.

    Pretty clear the 'Climate Change' hoax is little more than a means for a political power grab by the left. Why else would the Obama's buy a $15M house at sea level?

    Rather then turning nation's economies upside down and inside out, this seems far more reasonable a solution to what is claimed to be the real problem.


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    Let us hope the leftist morons never get the power to began removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, because that will be the end of all humanity. If atmospheric CO2 ever drops below ~180 ppm, all life on this planet dies as photosynthesis comes to a complete stop. I would certainly not put it past the insane leftist freaks to make this their ultimate goal - to destroy all life on the planet. Such is their insatiable hatred for humanity.

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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Those "predictions" having not ever come from climate science community in the first place. Our denier's BS article even cites Paul Ehrlich whose warnings had nothing to do with climate change (having well predated that issue) but overpopulation. As is usual with FartzNews propaganda and its purveyors on sites like this they really are morons when it comes to making a case. But then again, their target audience is moron so no need really to be factual or even plausible.
    Its clear you didnt even bother to read the article: Erlich, James Hansen, Stephen Schneider, George Kukla, SI Rasool and others are all cited in newspaper clippings by name, and they are or were prominent climate scientists when those reports came out. You arent fooling anyone.

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    And now you have failed to even address this. Your lies are exposed.

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post

    Dr. Sagan certainly doesn't sound like he was one of you.
    Just because I quoted Carl Sagan doesnt mean I believe in everything he believes in- only an idiot would think people do that. But that little quote he did is very apt for people like you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    They appear to be correct, or at best undetermined at this point, to me. I suspect you (and others) may be misreading the very first sentence. Here it is:
    LOL nuts. If they appear to be correct then why hasnt Egypt been flooded? Why hasnt the Maldives gone under water? Only a lunatic would claim the prediction was correct.

    I suspect you're reading it to imply that nations will be wiped off the earth by the year 2000, according to this prediction. In fact, what the prediction says (as anyone who has read Strunk and White's would know) is that we have until the year 2000 to reverse climate change,
    Bull****! Do you even know what year it is right now? NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED- what part of that do you not understand?

    Youve dug yourself into a hole and youre just doubling down no matter how wrong you are.
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    Carl Sagan would be appalled at how you're misapplying his quote. I grew up watching his show and reading his books.
    Well you clearly didnt learn a thing since his quote is spot on about you and your kind. To continuously claim that "the scientists told us so, so we must believe them" is false. That's like believing in religion.


    Prove. As in, provide evidence for, have it peer reviewed, and debated on its own merits. All the studies I linked have passed this rigorous process.
    Show the links of these peer review then.

    FYI There's plenty of scientists who disagree with this climate change silliness.

    List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming - Wikipedia

    Regarding your absurd contention about proxies: you sound like one of those people who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old because we can't trust radiocarbon dating.
    Wrong again, Im an atheist who looks at facts and disregards BS.

    Since we haven't had weather satellites for 800,000 years, systematic measurements (to borrow your term) of ice samples are as good as it gets.
    When the argument is about degrees of measurement, they are not good enough. You made the false claim that ice cores are meteorological data, and youve been exposed on it. Even your scientist pals who advocate climate nuttery admit that ice cores are based on estimates and dont tell the whole story, so they have to look at tree rings too.

    But in the end, they are just estimates of estimates- to somehow proclaim them as fact is pure folly.

    I'm asking you this question: why would all these smart, promising people waste their lives falsifying evidence, and pretend to debate their data for years, for the sake of some liberal agenda?
    Do you honestly think that every "smart scientist" is doing stuff for the good of people and they'd never falsify anything? You havent met a lot of people then.

    Take Michael E Mann for example- one of the major doomsayers of the climate change movement- he falsely claimed he won a Nobel prize and lost a libel case. People like him love the attention they get whenever they engage in these hyperboles- scientists are not special people who are set apart with a noble purpose- theyre just like any other- they have to feed their families and some of them crave attention. That's human nature.

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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Let us hope the leftist morons never get the power to began removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, because that will be the end of all humanity. If atmospheric CO2 ever drops below ~180 ppm, all life on this planet dies as photosynthesis comes to a complete stop. I would certainly not put it past the insane leftist freaks to make this their ultimate goal - to destroy all life on the planet. Such is their insatiable hatred for humanity.
    Leftists and their idiotic public policy prescriptions shouldn't have any sort of political power at all, if you ask me.
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    Re: Doomsdays that didn't happen: Think tank compiles decades' worth of dire climate predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    LOL nuts. If they appear to be correct then why hasnt Egypt been flooded? Why hasnt the Maldives gone under water? Only a lunatic would claim the prediction was correct.
    The article does not say that Egypt will be flooded by the year 2000...or by any year, for that matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Bull****! Do you even know what year it is right now? NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED- what part of that do you not understand?

    Youve dug yourself into a hole and youre just doubling down no matter how wrong you are.
    No, I have not. You just don't know how to read. Get yourself a copy of Elements of Style; it was the bible for journalists until fairly recently, and it certainly was in 1989. Qualifying phrases should appear directly next to what they modify. In this case, the phrase "by the year 2000" is an adverbial phrase. It appears next to "is not reversed," modifying it by establishing a deadline by which whatever the subject of "is not reversed" is, er, not reversed. And the subject is, of course, climate change.

    Seriously, your third grade English teacher should have taught you these elementary points of qualifying phrases. You're reading the sentence to have said that if climate change is not reversed (by some unspecified date) these things will happen by the year 2000. But that's not what the sentence in question says, however much you'd rather it did. It's also not really logical, since it leaves open the possibility that we would have until sometime after 2000 to reverse climate change to prevent events predicted to occur by the year 2000--on your reading. Setting aside the rules of English style for a moment, since it's physically impossible to reverse events that happen in the distant past, your reading is to be deprecated. Why would anyone--let alone a professional writer--write that way? Your reading doesn't make any sense of the critical sentence.
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