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Giuliani says 'of course' he asked Ukraine to look into Biden seconds after denying it

I've said it once... I'll say it a thousand times... there is no way, no way in hell, the history books will be kind to this President or this period in American history.
 
Rexedgar said:
Giuliani says 'of course' he asked Ukraine to look into Biden seconds after denying it | TheHill

So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden," Cuomo said.
"Of course I did," Giuliani replied.
You cant handle the truth! -Col Nathan Jessup
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Of course he had to.

The vice president of the previous administration announced on national TV that he told Ukraine they wouldn't get a $1 billion loan from the US unless they fired the prosecutor general ... who was investigating his son Hunter Biden.


"“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat."
 
Barnacle said:
Of course he had to.

The vice president of the previous administration announced on national TV that he told Ukraine they wouldn't get a $1 billion loan from the US unless they fired the prosecutor general ... who was investigating his son Hunter Biden.


"“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat."
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Present us a timeline that indicates there was an investigation into Hunter Biden cut short by that guy's firing. It's rhetorical - you can't do it.
 
Rexedgar said:
Giuliani says 'of course' he asked Ukraine to look into Biden seconds after denying it | TheHill

So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden," Cuomo said.

"Of course I did," Giuliani replied.


You cant handle the truth! -Col Nathan Jessup






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This is more ****ed up than most people realize.

I'm trying to keep things organized as far as facts go, it's too easy to get sidetracked with convoluted stories and details.

These are my thoughts of these events.

Russia invades and annexes Crimea which is part of the Ukraine.

The U.S. puts sanctions on Russia for their bad actions.

Putin hates these sanctions, wants Trump to remove them.

Trump stalls a new sanctions bill for eight months, a bill that passed unanimously in a bipartisan fashion by Congress to increase the sanctions on Russia because they poisoned a guy and his daughter in London.

Ukraine needs money to fight Russia but Trump is getting pressed by Putin not to give it to them of course because that's a bad thing for Russia if the Ukrainians have better weapons and military to fight them.

Congress says, 'Yes we will help Ukraine, we will give them money for their military. We're gong to give them 250 million dollars'

But Trump delays the money going to Ukraine, why would he do that?

In the meantime, Rudy Giuliani goes over to the Ukraine to talk this over with the Ukraine president and tells him that if he helps Trump dig up dirt on Joe Biden's son, then Trump will give Ukraine the money that Congress already approved but that he's holding back from Ukraine.

Who is paying for Rudy Giuliani to do this traveling back and forth to Ukraine to try to get dirt on Joe Biden for the upcoming election? Well, Trump's campaign fund, that's who's paying for it. Wait, isn't that sort of illegal to have Trump's lawyer who is also working for Trump's campaign using Trumps donated campaign money to enlist the aid of a foreign country to get dirt on the son of one of the presidential opponents to Trump?

Add it up, one by one, put it all together and what do we have? We have a president that's using donated campaign money to pay off the president of Ukraine to help him get dirt on Hunter Biden to hurt Joe Biden.

This is the most ****ed up thing we've ever witnessed politically in our lifetimes, or the lifetimes of all our ancestors combined since the beginning of this country. Nothing will ever compare with this as long as this planet exists.
 
Time for............ .

DEFLECT O RAMA!!!!!!@@

:lol:
 
JasperL said:
Present us a timeline that indicates there was an investigation into Hunter Biden cut short by that guy's firing. It's rhetorical - you can't do it.
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March 2016 Joe Biden make that "threat" to the Ukraine.

"... Most of the general prosecutor’s investigative work on Burisma focused on three separate cases, and most stopped abruptly once Shokin was fired. The most prominent of the Burisma cases was transferred to a different Ukrainian agency, closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), according to the case file and current General Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko.

NABU closed that case, and a second case involving alleged improper money transfers in London was dropped when Ukrainian officials failed to file the necessary documents by the required deadline. The general prosecutor’s office successfully secured a multimillion-dollar judgment in a tax evasion case, Lutsenko said. He did not say who was the actual defendant in that case.

As a result, the Biden family appeared to have escaped the potential for an embarrassing inquiry overseas in the final days of the Obama administration and during an election in which Democrat Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016.

But then, as Biden’s 2020 campaign ramped up over the past year, Lutsenko — the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden once hailed as a “solid” replacement for Shokin — began looking into what happened with the Burisma case that had been shut down.

Lutsenko told me that, while reviewing the Burisma investigative files, he discovered “members of the Board obtained funds as well as another U.S.-based legal entity, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, for consulting services.”

Lutsenko said some of the evidence he knows about in the Burisma case may interest U.S. authorities and he’d like to present that information to new U.S. Attorney General William Barr, particularly the vice president’s intervention.

“Unfortunately, Mr. Biden had correlated and connected this aid with some of the HR (personnel) issues and changes in the prosecutor’s office,” Lutsenko said.

Nazar Kholodnytskyi, the lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Lutsenko’s office, confirmed to me in an interview that part of the Burisma investigation was reopened in 2018, after Joe Biden made his remarks. “We were able to start this case again,” Kholodnytskyi said.

But he said the separate Ukrainian police agency that investigates corruption has dragged its feet in gathering evidence. “We don’t see any result from this case one year after the reopening because of some external influence,” he said, declining to be more specific. ..."

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill


Who is the external influence that is blocking the investigation in the Ukraine?
 
"... Was it appropriate for your son and his firm to cash in on Ukraine while you served as point man for Ukraine policy?

What work was performed for the money Hunter Biden’s firm received?

Did you know about the Burisma probe?

And when it was publicly announced that your son worked for Burisma, should you have recused yourself from leveraging a U.S. policy to pressure the prosecutor who very publicly pursued Burisma?"


Questions from the article I linked to in the previous post.
 
There's a curious disease which strikes those who undertake the role of apologist for President of the United States of America Donald Trump. It presents as a tendency to make contradictory statements when questioned. The root cause is the subject of a number of on-going investigations. [Ed.: Specific examples are TNTM.]
 
Barnacle said:
March 2016 Joe Biden make that "threat" to the Ukraine.

"... Most of the general prosecutor’s investigative work on Burisma focused on three separate cases, and most stopped abruptly once Shokin was fired. The most prominent of the Burisma cases was transferred to a different Ukrainian agency, closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), according to the case file and current General Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko.

NABU closed that case, and a second case involving alleged improper money transfers in London was dropped when Ukrainian officials failed to file the necessary documents by the required deadline. The general prosecutor’s office successfully secured a multimillion-dollar judgment in a tax evasion case, Lutsenko said. He did not say who was the actual defendant in that case.

As a result, the Biden family appeared to have escaped the potential for an embarrassing inquiry overseas in the final days of the Obama administration and during an election in which Democrat Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016.

But then, as Biden’s 2020 campaign ramped up over the past year, Lutsenko — the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden once hailed as a “solid” replacement for Shokin — began looking into what happened with the Burisma case that had been shut down.

Lutsenko told me that, while reviewing the Burisma investigative files, he discovered “members of the Board obtained funds as well as another U.S.-based legal entity, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, for consulting services.”

Lutsenko said some of the evidence he knows about in the Burisma case may interest U.S. authorities and he’d like to present that information to new U.S. Attorney General William Barr, particularly the vice president’s intervention.

“Unfortunately, Mr. Biden had correlated and connected this aid with some of the HR (personnel) issues and changes in the prosecutor’s office,” Lutsenko said.

Nazar Kholodnytskyi, the lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Lutsenko’s office, confirmed to me in an interview that part of the Burisma investigation was reopened in 2018, after Joe Biden made his remarks. “We were able to start this case again,” Kholodnytskyi said.

But he said the separate Ukrainian police agency that investigates corruption has dragged its feet in gathering evidence. “We don’t see any result from this case one year after the reopening because of some external influence,” he said, declining to be more specific. ..."

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill


Who is the external influence that is blocking the investigation in the Ukraine?
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So in other words, all you have is conspiracy nonsense that links nothing solid together. There is more evidence that Trump wants to sleep with his own daughter than you have against Biden's family.
 
Barnacle said:
"... Was it appropriate for your son and his firm to cash in on Ukraine while you served as point man for Ukraine policy?

What work was performed for the money Hunter Biden’s firm received?

Did you know about the Burisma probe?

And when it was publicly announced that your son worked for Burisma, should you have recused yourself from leveraging a U.S. policy to pressure the prosecutor who very publicly pursued Burisma?"


Questions from the article I linked to in the previous post.
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I'd think their be a lot more meat on this bone if there weren't a lot more people calling for Shokin's dismissal. The EU was calling for it. There were protests on the street. Even people in his own office were calling him corrupt. I agree that this doesn't look good, but it's it's hard to argue that Biden's motivation to seek his firing was mostly because of his son.
 
Barnacle said:
Of course he had to.

The vice president of the previous administration announced on national TV that he told Ukraine they wouldn't get a $1 billion loan from the US unless they fired the prosecutor general ... who was investigating his son Hunter Biden.


"“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat."
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Offering something of value for a political action is a bribe. From the words of Biden's own mouth he was giving a Billion dollar US loan for the political firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor that was investigating his son. That is a bribe.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I've said it once... I'll say it a thousand times... there is no way, no way in hell, the history books will be kind to this President or this period in American history.
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And this latest thing involving the whistleblower may finally get him impeached.

SLC said:
Offering something of value for a political action is a bribe.
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That is a bribe.
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You're right. We should keep this in mind if Trump is impeached. Be sure to remind your Senator.
 
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Barnacle said:
Of course he had to.

The vice president of the previous administration announced on national TV that he told Ukraine they wouldn't get a $1 billion loan from the US unless they fired the prosecutor general ... who was investigating his son Hunter Biden.

"“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.

“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat."
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Trump and Giuliani’s Quest for Fake Ukraine "Dirt” on Biden: An Explainer - Just Security

Trump and Giuliani allege, contrary to evidence, that Biden improperly pressured the Ukrainian government in 2016 to fire then-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in the midst of a corruption investigation of one of Ukraine’s biggest gas companies, Burisma Group. Biden’s youngest son, Hunter, was serving on the company’s board at the time.

But the prosecutor, in fact, was the target of pressure by Ukrainian anti-corruption advocates and a host of international supporters of Ukraine, who argued he should be fired for failing to pursue major cases of corruption. And it was the widely known and publicly espoused position of the U.S. government, across a half dozen agencies, that the prosecutor’s ouster was among crucial anti-corruption measures that the Ukrainian government needed to take to move forward economically and politically. As President Barack Obama’s point man on Ukraine, Biden dutifully relayed those messages at every opportunity.

Yet Trump and Giuliani have turned that real-life scenario on its head, falsely alleging that Biden sought to corruptly influence a Ukrainian prosecutor’s decisions in his son’s favor. The Trump camp’s steady volley of tweets, interviews and supportive articles by pro-Trump authors echoes the persistent Republican accusations against Hillary Clinton related to the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks on Benghazi, Libya, when she was Secretary of State.

At the very least, because of the complexity of the issue and the again-distant locale, the hammering on the Bidens’ roles in Ukraine could at least serve up enough disinformation to confuse American voters about what really is true. The anti-Biden campaign may be designed in no small part to make voters believe that, as disinformation expert Peter Pomerantsev has said of current-day Russian propaganda, “nothing is true and everything is possible.”
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The Prosecutor General during much of the time Biden was pressing the Ukrainian government to step up anti-corruption efforts was Shokin, appointed by Poroshenko in February 2015.

“Shokin has stood out as the most obvious obstacle to judicial reform,” Swedish economist Anders Åslund of the Atlantic Council wrote in March 2016, when Shokin finally was forced to resign after a vote of no confidence in Parliament. “Most strikingly, Shokin failed to prosecute any single prominent member of the Yanukovych regime. Nor did he prosecute anyone in the current government.”

Shokin has since made comments to journalists that have helped fuel Giuliani’s and Trump’s conspiracy theory about Biden, telling the Washington Post this July that a potential investigation of Burisma and Hunter Biden were “the only motives for organizing my resignation.” Considering the no-confidence vote in Parliament was supported by an overwhelming 289 members, including most of Poroshenko’s party, that seems a far-fetched claim.

In May of this year, Shokin’s successor as prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of any wrongdoing by the Bidens. What’s more, another former official, Vitaliy Kasko, said Shokin had opened an investigation of Burisma, but that it was long dormant by the time Biden and the U.S. government pushed for anti-corruption measures in Ukraine, including the ouster of Shokin.

Lutsenko also contradicted a claim by Trump supporters that Lutsenko was investigating Burisma. Lutsenko explained to Bloomberg News that he was conducting an unrelated investigation of a different company involving transactions that occurred months before Hunter Biden even joined Burisma’s board in 2014.

“Biden was definitely not involved,” Lutsenko said. “We do not have any grounds to think that there was any wrongdoing starting from 2014.”
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More at the link above.
 
Rexedgar said:
You cant handle the truth! -Col Nathan Jessup
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The whistleblower hit a nerve. I didn't have an opinion one way or the other, but after Giuliani's performance last night I'm convinced Trump did something bad.
 
Barnacle said:
March 2016 Joe Biden make that "threat" to the Ukraine.

"... Most of the general prosecutor’s investigative work on Burisma focused on three separate cases, and most stopped abruptly once Shokin was fired. The most prominent of the Burisma cases was transferred to a different Ukrainian agency, closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), according to the case file and current General Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko.

NABU closed that case, and a second case involving alleged improper money transfers in London was dropped when Ukrainian officials failed to file the necessary documents by the required deadline. The general prosecutor’s office successfully secured a multimillion-dollar judgment in a tax evasion case, Lutsenko said. He did not say who was the actual defendant in that case.

As a result, the Biden family appeared to have escaped the potential for an embarrassing inquiry overseas in the final days of the Obama administration and during an election in which Democrat Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016.

But then, as Biden’s 2020 campaign ramped up over the past year, Lutsenko — the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden once hailed as a “solid” replacement for Shokin — began looking into what happened with the Burisma case that had been shut down.

Lutsenko told me that, while reviewing the Burisma investigative files, he discovered “members of the Board obtained funds as well as another U.S.-based legal entity, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, for consulting services.”

Lutsenko said some of the evidence he knows about in the Burisma case may interest U.S. authorities and he’d like to present that information to new U.S. Attorney General William Barr, particularly the vice president’s intervention.

“Unfortunately, Mr. Biden had correlated and connected this aid with some of the HR (personnel) issues and changes in the prosecutor’s office,” Lutsenko said.

Nazar Kholodnytskyi, the lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Lutsenko’s office, confirmed to me in an interview that part of the Burisma investigation was reopened in 2018, after Joe Biden made his remarks. “We were able to start this case again,” Kholodnytskyi said.

But he said the separate Ukrainian police agency that investigates corruption has dragged its feet in gathering evidence. “We don’t see any result from this case one year after the reopening because of some external influence,” he said, declining to be more specific. ..."

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived | TheHill


Who is the external influence that is blocking the investigation in the Ukraine?
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How did I know that was a John Solomon opinion piece before I even clicked on the link?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
And this latest thing involving the whistleblower may finally get him impeached.





You're right. We should keep this in mind if Trump is impeached. Be sure to remind your Senator.
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Did Trump give someone a billion dollar loan for firing a prosecutor that was investigating his son? I must have missed that.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I've said it once... I'll say it a thousand times... there is no way, no way in hell, the history books will be kind to this President or this period in American history.
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...or those that enabled him and those that supported supported him. They will be painted as guillible fools.
 
SLC said:
Did Trump give someone a billion dollar loan for firing a prosecutor that was investigating his son? I must have missed that.
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Can you imagine if Trump did that?
 
SLC said:
Did Trump give someone a billion dollar loan for firing a prosecutor that was investigating his son? I must have missed that.
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I posted a link to a great article explaining how ridiculous the assertion is. You should read it.

Here, I'll post it again.

Trump and Giuliani’s Quest for Fake Ukraine "Dirt” on Biden: An Explainer - Just Security

Giuiliani is doing is level-best to distract everyone from the fact that Trump is preventing the whistblower's complaint from reaching Congress. His interview last night was a sight to behold. 28 minutes of him angrily attacking Biden, and 2 minutes of him answering the questions Cuomo presented. Giuliani was unhinged. A lunatic. He made a mistake. He's too close to all the bad things Trump has been doing.

But what he forgets is that only about 40% of the population believe his insane ramblings.
 
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