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    NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Lawyers for President Trump argued in a lawsuit filed on Thursday that he could not be criminally investigated while in office, as they sought to block a subpoena from state prosecutors in Manhattan demanding eight years of his tax returns.


    Taking a broad position that the lawyers acknowledged had not been tested, the president’s legal team argued in the complaint that the Constitution effectively makes sitting presidents immune from all criminal inquiries until they leave the White House.


    Presidents, they asserted, have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations, especially from local prosecutors who may use the criminal process for political gain.


    Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

    But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

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    Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

    But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
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    Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

    But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
    Bill Barr, Trump's new fixer, has emboldened them.

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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

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    Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

    But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
    I think Trump has run out of competent lawyers, there aren't many who were willing to accept the job because there's some that still have integrity. Trump may have been forced to scrape the bottom of the legal barrel and instead of doing what's legally correct according to established law, they're doing exactly what he's telling them to do.




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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    I think Trump has run out of competent lawyers, there aren't many who were willing to accept the job because there's some that still have integrity. Trump may have been forced to scrape the bottom of the legal barrel and instead of doing what's legally correct according to established law, they're doing exactly what he's telling them to do.
    The word is out that he stiffs his lawyers for their fees.
    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire

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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    The word is out that he stiffs his lawyers for their fees.
    So he's getting the bush-league lawyers.




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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    His lawyers seem to be arguing about state prosecutions and investigations, not investigations in general. The article cited somebody who did say there is some ground for the president to make such a claim.

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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    His lawyers seem to be arguing about state prosecutions and investigations, not investigations in general. The article cited somebody who did say there is some ground for the president to make such a claim.
    What you are citing is the below quote and it doesn't say what you said it says.

    “I think there is some force to the argument that states can’t be allowed to hobble presidents with local prosecutions, but there is certainly no authority for the claim that they cannot at least investigate while a president is in office,” said Frank O. Bowman III, a law professor at the University of Missouri and the author of “High Crimes and Misdemeanors: A History of Impeachment for the Age of Trump.”

    Courts allowed the Paula Jones case to go forward and required Clinton to testify, which undercuts Trump's lawyers argument.
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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

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    Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated



    Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

    But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
    Pretty sure the Mueller position on the law was that the President could be investigated for criminal behavior but could not be charged criminally while in office. But the evidence supporting criminal charges can and should be preserved for later use if so deemed by prosecutors.

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    Re: NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

    Wow, did anyone watch Chris Cuomo's interview with Rudy Giuliani?




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