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NYT: Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated

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[h=1]Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated[/h]
Lawyers for President Trump argued in a lawsuit filed on Thursday that he could not be criminally investigated while in office, as they sought to block a subpoena from state prosecutors in Manhattan demanding eight years of his tax returns.


Taking a broad position that the lawyers acknowledged had not been tested, the president’s legal team argued in the complaint that the Constitution effectively makes sitting presidents immune from all criminal inquiries until they leave the White House.


Presidents, they asserted, have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations, especially from local prosecutors who may use the criminal process for political gain.
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Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated[/h]

Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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Can't wait for the Chosen One's sycophants to drop in and lay the groundwork of their worship of his untouchable authoritarianism.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated[/h]

Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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Bill Barr, Trump's new fixer, has emboldened them.
 
MTAtech said:
Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated



Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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I think Trump has run out of competent lawyers, there aren't many who were willing to accept the job because there's some that still have integrity. Trump may have been forced to scrape the bottom of the legal barrel and instead of doing what's legally correct according to established law, they're doing exactly what he's telling them to do.
 
HumblePi said:
I think Trump has run out of competent lawyers, there aren't many who were willing to accept the job because there's some that still have integrity. Trump may have been forced to scrape the bottom of the legal barrel and instead of doing what's legally correct according to established law, they're doing exactly what he's telling them to do.
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The word is out that he stiffs his lawyers for their fees.
 
His lawyers seem to be arguing about state prosecutions and investigations, not investigations in general. The article cited somebody who did say there is some ground for the president to make such a claim.
 
Athanasius68 said:
His lawyers seem to be arguing about state prosecutions and investigations, not investigations in general. The article cited somebody who did say there is some ground for the president to make such a claim.
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What you are citing is the below quote and it doesn't say what you said it says.

“I think there is some force to the argument that states can’t be allowed to hobble presidents with local prosecutions, but there is certainly no authority for the claim that they cannot at least investigate while a president is in office,” said Frank O. Bowman III, a law professor at the University of Missouri and the author of “High Crimes and Misdemeanors: A History of Impeachment for the Age of Trump.”

Courts allowed the Paula Jones case to go forward and required Clinton to testify, which undercuts Trump's lawyers argument.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated[/h]

Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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Pretty sure the Mueller position on the law was that the President could be investigated for criminal behavior but could not be charged criminally while in office. But the evidence supporting criminal charges can and should be preserved for later use if so deemed by prosecutors.
 
Wow, did anyone watch Chris Cuomo's interview with Rudy Giuliani?
 
Atomic Kid said:
Pretty sure the Mueller position on the law was that the President could be investigated for criminal behavior but could not be charged criminally while in office. But the evidence supporting criminal charges can and should be preserved for later use if so deemed by prosecutors.
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State prosecutors are free to pursue an indictment while Trump is in office.
 
MTAtech said:
Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated



Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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And why is it that we believe the NYT?
 
smallvoice said:
And why is it that we believe the NYT?
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Because it has high standards and an excellent reputation for truth -- unlike the current president.
 
Athanasius68 said:
His lawyers seem to be arguing about state prosecutions and investigations, not investigations in general. The article cited somebody who did say there is some ground for the president to make such a claim.
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All you have to do is write the following: "This is wrong, and it is a ridiculous thing for his lawyers to suggest. The President is not above the law. The President is not immune from criminal investigation."

It's not that difficult. Our founding fathers created a Republic based on the Rule of Law, not on the Rule of Thug.
 
MauiMan said:
Did you see Rudy Giuliani on CNN tonight? Holy crap, the guy went nuts! They’re hiding something.
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Seriously, if Trump thinks Rudy does him any favors any single time he goes on TV, that should be enough of a justification to impeach him. Rudy is bonkers.
 
MTAtech said:
[h=1]Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated[/h]

Not only is this argument unprecedented, it's absurd. Presidents have been investigated before (i.e. Nixon, Clinton, Harding). The argument that presidents "have such enormous responsibility and play a unique role in government that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations," is fatally flawed because there is no burden on the president when others are doing the investigating. Nixon was not only investigated as president but governed at the same time.

But what this argument suggests is that Trump and his lawyers are becoming desperate for anything to keep Trump's finances and taxes out of investigative hands.
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Good luck with this.

The SCOTUS has already ruled a President can be sued civilly, so the idea they will agree that a Presidents personal business can't be investigated is pure fantasy.

This will be trashed quickly.
 
smallvoice said:
And why is it that we believe the NYT?
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Because they print retractions when wrong, because unlike Trump, they do not lie about everything... But you knew that. If Fox News, Sean Hannity and Jared Kushner all reported the same thing, Trump's supporters would lump them with the NYTimes as fake news.
 
Athanasius68 said:
His lawyers seem to be arguing about state prosecutions and investigations, not investigations in general. The article cited somebody who did say there is some ground for the president to make such a claim.
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What if every state criminally investigated the next Democrat president at the same time? Obviously the President should be unencumbered to do the work of running the country without answering to a bunch of politically motivated investigations. Any state investigation of the president should only be done after he has left office.
 
SLC said:
What if every state criminally investigated the next Democrat president at the same time? Obviously the President should be unencumbered to do the work of running the country without answering to a bunch of politically motivated investigations. Any state investigation of the president should only be done after he has left office.
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:coffeepap

State Litigation during the Obama Administration
 
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