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Saudi attacks underscore evolving drone threat, experts say

jet57 said:
It happens when the smart people do it. If you want to swim in the toilet that’s up to you.
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I don't think you would know.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They are seeking freedom from an oppressive government. Should we not support Freedom rather than oppression, especially of religious minorities by oppressive governments
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Bull****. They are Iranian proxies sent to cause chaos and insert an Iranian stooge into power in a Middle Eastern nation.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Sure. Right after you explain how socialism has anything to do with this conversation or my criticism of Saudi atrocities backed and encouraged by America.

I'll be waiting.
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You made a statement that, "(me) promoting democracy in this conflict is f-ing hilarious"... without any knowledge of my position on democracy other than the one comment that I made supporting the democratic process. You need to back that up... not try to turn it around on me for a comment that I made earlier... you can challenge my comment after you defend yours...

How is me wanting people there to support a democratic process instead of killing each other "****ing hilarious"?

Go.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
For defense of the oil facilities the Russian Tor m2 system and Pantsir S2 would be better against smaller drones and smaller cruise missiles than the S300 or S400. Each of the S400 missiles I expect cost around 1 million or more per
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Saudis don’t need to shop at the discount bazaar! How is one of the largest oil facilities attacked by multiple missiles/drones and there seem to be no casualties?
 
Rexedgar said:
Saudis don’t need to shop at the discount bazaar! How is one of the largest oil facilities attacked by multiple missiles/drones and there seem to be no casualties?
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Not discount, more effective at short ranges, with a focus on protecting the site vs hundreds of miles out.

The operators could just focus on anything in the air for 15 miles out from the plant rather than airplanes 200 miles out. That way when something comes up on the screen it is noticed and potentially taken care of.

Now regarding the attack

I am certain there was someone in Saudi Arabia controlling the drones, or they would not have had the accuracy they did in hitting the targets they did. Unless they were sat controlled
 
American said:
It won't be CNN.
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The cop out answer dude. Trump has not one shred of evidence. Most are now pointing to southern Iraqi rebels. That sounds more probable.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You made a statement that, "(me) promoting democracy in this conflict is f-ing hilarious"... without any knowledge of my position on democracy other than the one comment that I made supporting the democratic process. You need to back that up... not try to turn it around on me for a comment that I made earlier... you can challenge my comment after you defend yours...
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Actually, buddy, YOU started this exchange by challenging ME. And my comment is not about your past history on democracy, which I am unaware of. It's the nature of the ABSENCE of democracy in the conflict and the players involved the precludes a democratic solution. My comment was self-explanatory to anyone with any knowledge of the conflict. You are alone in not understanding it.

Go.
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I just did. And I guess I can expect no response to my challenge to you. Figures.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Actually, buddy, YOU started this exchange by challenging ME. And my comment is not about your past history on democracy, which I am unaware of. It's the nature of the ABSENCE of democracy in the conflict and the players involved the precludes a democratic solution. My comment was self-explanatory to anyone with any knowledge of the conflict. You are alone in not understanding it.
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When did I say that there was any democracy/democratic process in the conflict?

Since I didn't you will be unable to back up such a foolish statement... and then you double down by saying that I alone do not understand that there isn't any? :lol:

I just did. And I guess I can expect no response to my challenge to you. Figures.
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Sure you will get one... what is your challenge?
 
Bodhisattva said:
When did I say that there was any democracy/democratic process in the conflict?
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Is there something wrong with your memory?

We should support a democratic process... not armed aggression.
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Sure you will get one... what is your challenge?
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Again, is there something wrong with your memory? Or the limit of your ability to participate in a coherent discussion slamming my political leaning without any connection to the discussion we're having?

If you have nothing to add, get out of my way.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Is there something wrong with your memory?
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No... why do you ask?

Again, is there something wrong with your memory?
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I asked you a question for the sake of clarity... and you think that indicates a poor memory? That sounds like immature thinking.

Or the limit of your ability to participate in a coherent discussion slamming my political leaning without any connection to the discussion we're having?
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I never slammed socialism...

If you have nothing to add, get out of my way.
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I don't think that you understand what is going on here...

...and since you have dodged the fact that you made a stupid statement about my understanding of the conflict and in what intent I meant the democratic process to be... perhaps you can now explain how he absence of democracy in the conflict and the players involved precludes a democratic solution? Thanks... I look forward to you burying yourself further.
 
American said:
Hahaha, that's a cool story. You believe that happens around here in the daily debate swirling toilet? :lol: Do we really debate, or do we just tell each other things?
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American:

I cannot speak for you and others but I come here to debate and to bounce ideas off others here. Sure there's a lot of chaff to sort through but there is also considerable reserves of wisdom and inspiration in what some other posters have to say. It's even better when they do a good job of proving me wrong because that's a good way to learn. So speaking for myself alone, I believe nothing unless strong evidence is available to support the issue at hand. There are some very smart and wise folks on this forum who could teach us both a thing or two I'd wager.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No... why do you ask?

I asked you a question for the sake of clarity... and you think that indicates a poor memory?
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Yes, when it was detailed in our previous exchange within hours. Poor memory and/or pure laziness.

I never slammed socialism...
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You wondered why I hated America. Then pointed to my political leaning and surmised that my hatred of America was based on socialism. Which, of course, had literally nothing to do with the topic. But addressing the topic wasn't the point, was it?

perhaps you can now explain how he absence of democracy in the conflict and the players involved precludes a democratic solution?
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Please articulate the democratic solution available that would have avoided violence. Thanks!
 
Dans La Lune said:
Yes, when it was detailed in our previous exchange within hours. Poor memory and/or pure laziness.

So it is impossible that I was asking again so that everything was clear and that we were all on the same page? Impossible... right?

You wondered why I hated America. Then pointed to my political leaning and surmised that my hatred of America was based on socialism. Which, of course, had literally nothing to do with the topic. But addressing the topic wasn't the point, was it?
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Straw Man... try again.

Please articulate the democratic solution available that would have avoided violence. Thanks!
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When did I say that a democratic solution would have avoided violence? I didn't... I am beginning to understand the problem here.
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Evilroddy said:
American:

I cannot speak for you and others but I come here to debate and to bounce ideas off others here. Sure there's a lot of chaff to sort through but there is also considerable reserves of wisdom and inspiration in what some other posters have to say. It's even better when they do a good job of proving me wrong because that's a good way to learn. So speaking for myself alone, I believe nothing unless strong evidence is available to support the issue at hand. There are some very smart and wise folks on this forum who could teach us both a thing or two I'd wager.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I guess the trolling and hypocrisy has made me more cynical than I should be. Sorry.
 
jet57 said:
The cop out answer dude. Trump has not one shred of evidence. Most are now pointing to southern Iraqi rebels. That sounds more probable.
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Yeah, Trump is waiting on the evidence, are you?
 
jet57 said:
Is that your way of admitting that you don’t know how to research?
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No, it's my way of telling you that you're guessing.
 
RAMOSS said:
Unless, of course, it's a false flag to drive up the price of oil
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I am moving towards your position, that it was a false flag

Primarily due to this article

Asia Times | How Iran precisely targeted Saudi oil facilities | Article


Drones (probably of the Abalil 2/T type) were launched from Iranian-controlled Shi’ite militia bases in southern Iraq, and cruise missiles of the Quds-1 type were launched from Iran, near the Iran-Iraq border. Twenty-two weapons were fired in all, of which 19 hit their targets, with sufficient precision to hit oil tanks in roughly the same spot.

The high precision has amazed US Pentagon analysts. They do not understand how that could be done from such a long distance and beyond the communications capabilities of even the Quds-1.


I think Saudi Arabia was infiltrated by well-trained operators who were close to the targets and were able to guide the terminal phase of the attacking cruise missiles (and maybe the drones) via video transmitted from the missiles and drones.

The drones raise a different question, and it is highly doubtful they were the cause of the tanker strikes. What is known of the Ababil is that its warhead is a high explosive stuffed with ball bearings. It would have exploded on contact and made a mess. The Quds-1, on the other hand, could have a penetration-type warhead like an RPG, but maybe without the explosive.


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I expect it would have required a few control devices to guide the missiles and drones into the targets, not just one trying to switch between all the different drones and missiles ensuring they are on target
 
Atomic Kid said:
The most telling thing about this incident was that despite all the sophisticated technology and equipment that we and Saudi's have to bring to bear this attack was still pulled off with practically no warning whatsoever. That's a sobering thought for contemplation.
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It sure is, but doesn't indicate that the problem isn't being researched. On the other hand, Iran is no more prepared then that, so we could easily launch our own cruise missile/drone attack under their noses.
 
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