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4-year-old boy shot dead allegedly by 5-year-old sibling while mom slept in another room: Police

SLC said:
They prosecute people who speed and kill all the time. If you blow through a stop sign you may well get prosecuted.
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Doubtful, unless you've been drinking.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
In rare cases yes, but as a rule nope. Even your own anecdote mentions no jail time for the intitial 3 homicides.
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The kid was 16 when he did it then 18 or 19 when he ran from the cops. You are moving the goal posts when you require jail time on a first offense. You said "yet such "accidents" are rarely prosecuted as crimes." The kid was prosecuted and convicted.
 
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SLC said:
The kid was 16 when he did it then 18 or 19 when he ran from the cops. You are moving the goal posts when you require jail time on a first offense.
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I would imagine that the OP case is a first offense. How many negligent homicides should we allow?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I would imagine that the OP case is a first offense. How many negligent homicides should we allow?
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I wouldn't jail the parents but I would put them on probation and possibly take their remaining kids until they prove they can provide a safe environment for them.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
This parent had this gun for self defense, no doubt. They always do.

I'll give you even odds she was not trained in gun safety, because you know, that requirement would be unconstitutional.

If only this 4 year-old had been armed. This tragedy could have been averted, right?

We just don't have enough guns, that's the problem!
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At this point it, should be obvious that this thread is meant for nothing more than to just troll anyone who sees it.
 
TurtleDude said:
well she lost a child--should the other child be deprived of her mother? If the purpose of punishment is revenge-than maybe she should go to jail but that punishes the child who remains more. If the purpose is deterrence, than its stupid since if the idea of losing a child if you leave a gun out doesn't deter you then a short stint in jail won't

I do note that gun banners are big on punishing people like this but they don't seem too keen on punishing felons caught with firearms or those who use firearms to harm others.

In fact, most gun banners see the NRA and gun owners as the enemy, not violent criminals

Your silly hatred of the Second Amendment is duly noted
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You don't seriously think that she shouldn't be charged, do you? It's illegal to leave such young children unattended. And with access to a loaded gun? That resulted in a homicide? She has to serve time.
 
apdst said:
The only problem with that, is some people can't afford a gun safe. That's an infringement on their rights. It deprives poor people of the ability to defend themselves; the very folks that need to be able to defend themselves the most.
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Did you straight up lift that from opponents of voter ID laws? Do you support voter ID laws but oppose secure firearm storage laws?
 
SLC said:
I wouldn't jail the parents but I would put them on probation and possibly take their remaining kids until they prove they can provide a safe environment for them.
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You wouldn't jail the mother for criminal negligence resulting in the death of a four-year-old?
 
Scarab said:
You wouldn't jail the mother for criminal negligence resulting in the death of a four-year-old?
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Do you? If the child was otherwise well cared for , nope. Community service, probation, probation visits, take her other kids until a safe responsible environment can be demonstrated.
 
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SLC said:
Do you? If the child was otherwise well cared for , nope. Community service, probation, probation visits, take her other kids until a safe responsible environment can be demonstrated.
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Of course she should be jailed! She broke multiple laws. A four-year-old died because of her. What kind of warped thought process causes some people to want to criminalize abortions but let deathly negligent parents off the hook?
 
SLC said:
If you were speeding texting or driving recklessly you will likely get prosecuted .
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So what yoou are describing are extenuating circumstances, not just your usual "blowing past a stop sign". I've never seen someone prosecuted for just doing that.
 
Scarab said:
You don't seriously think that she shouldn't be charged, do you? It's illegal to leave such young children unattended. And with access to a loaded gun? That resulted in a homicide? She has to serve time.
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Just to be clear:

Having lost one child in a tragic accident, you want to lock the surviving child's out-of-her-mind-with-grief-and-guilt mother up because...?

Liberals - their truth is truly stranger than fiction...
 
apdst said:
The only problem with that, is some people can't afford a gun safe. That's an infringement on their rights. It deprives poor people of the ability to defend themselves; the very folks that need to be able to defend themselves the most.
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A trigger lock is a few dollars
 
bongsaway said:
You forgot the law abiding gun owner part.
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Clearly the individual that owed the firearm failed to abide by the law; wouldn't you agree?
 
aociswundumho said:
You need to take a training course in order to learn not to leave a loaded firearm around small children?



It doesn't have to be a requirement. Why not offer a free firearm training course to anyone who wants it?
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First of all, if we offer something for free that's "socialism!"

If it's not a requirement, it doesn't change anything at all. Why don't we just mske a pilot's license optional?
 
Bum said:
Clearly the individual that owed the firearm failed to abide by the law; wouldn't you agree?
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Only if it's a law that you have to secure it. If it's not against the law, then an unsecured gun still makes you "law abiding."
 
Crosscheck said:
I think it would benefit gun manufacturers to provide trigger locks with all guns sold.
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Most do. FYI, in the local news here in DFW they reported that a teen living in the house claimed they bought the firearm, still under investigation.
 
Crosscheck said:
I think it would benefit gun manufacturers to provide trigger locks with all guns sold.
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Many firearms are manufactured with internal locks; Taurus is an example....for both semi automatics and revolvers.

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rocket88 said:
Only if it's a law that you have to secure it. If it's not against the law, then an unsecured gun still makes you "law abiding."
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I imagine leaving a firearm out where a child can access it easily falls under endangerment laws.
 
Bum said:
I imagine leaving a firearm out where a child can access it easily falls under endangerment laws.
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Debatable. Some would say that requiring anything amounts to infringement of the 2nd.
 
rocket88 said:
Debatable. Some would say that requiring anything amounts to infringement of the 2nd.
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Unlikely.....leaving a firearm out where children can reasonably get at it hardly falls under any aspect of the 2A.
 
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