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NYT updates Kavanaugh 'bombshell' to note accuser doesn't recall alleged assault

W_Heisenberg said:
That's just not true. Obama is a good person. He was generally a good President. A lot of the stuff you say are lies are just things Obama was blocked from doing for various reasons. A lot of the criticism about Obama is mostly the result of Obama being black, and it bugs some white people to have a black person as their leader. It bugs them so much, they still talk about him, just as you're doing, and he's not even the President anymore.



That's not accurate. They corrected themselves, and everyone, especially liberals and moderates, would think poorly of them had they not corrected themselves.



Boo-hoo. The NYT does not have any obligation to refrain from being critical of Trump. Nor do they have any obligation to not be biased. Their obligation is to tell the truth.

The journalist in this opinion piece did not say that journalists covering Trump should lie.

The journalist in this piece basically said we should stop pretending Trump isn't an authoritarian demagogue playing to the nation's worst racist tendencies. I agree with the journalist.

The journalist said that the media should stop giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. I agree with the journalist on that point too.

Do you think Trump doesn't lie?

I also think it's important for people to recognize that Trump and his supporters are already engaged in a war with the other half of the country. Do you think Fox News is "fair and balanced"? Do you actively seek out unbiased sources of information? Are you okay with Fox News and Trump lying, misleading, exaggerating to further YOUR political agenda? When Shep Smith is on do you change the channel? Whose show is recorded on your DVR? Is it Shep Smith or is it Hannity? And do you think Hannity is unbiased? I think we already know the answer to these questions.



I 100% think the mainstream media is biased. At the same time I also agree with most "liberal" outlets on social issues and I think gay people should have equal rights, I think Roe v. Wade isn't that big of a deal, and I don't think illegal immigrants are an existential threat to the United States.

I believe they try to tell the truth, and I know when they mistake they rectify it, just like they did here. And they corrected this mistake within 24 hours. When was the last time Trump ever corrected...anything?
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How long have you know Obama personally? You say he is a good person, which has to come from personal experience, right?
 
Erod said:
That's exactly what it seems to be. Trump is about to get another appointment and make it 6-3, so they're trying to go after Kavanaugh again. They can't do to the next candidate what they did to Kavanaugh. That won't go well for them and they know it.
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They can if the nominee isn't Amy Coney Barett... but it will likely be Amy Coney Barett.

At that point the Democrats get to exercise their vestigial Anti-Papist organ leftover from their KKK days....
 
W_Heisenberg said:
That's just not true. Obama is a good person. He was generally a good President. A lot of the stuff you say are lies are just things Obama was blocked from doing for various reasons. A lot of the criticism about Obama is mostly the result of Obama being black, and it bugs some white people to have a black person as their leader. It bugs them so much, they still talk about him, just as you're doing, and he's not even the President anymore.



That's not accurate. They corrected themselves, and everyone, especially liberals and moderates, would think poorly of them had they not corrected themselves.



Boo-hoo. The NYT does not have any obligation to refrain from being critical of Trump. Nor do they have any obligation to not be biased. Their obligation is to tell the truth. If they want to spend all their time attacking Trump, they have the right to do so.

The journalist in this opinion piece did not say that journalists covering Trump should lie.

The journalist in this piece basically said we should stop pretending Trump isn't an authoritarian demagogue playing to the nation's worst racist tendencies. I agree with the journalist.

The journalist said that the media should stop giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. I agree with the journalist on that point too.

Do you think Trump doesn't lie?

I also think it's important for people to recognize that Trump and his supporters are already engaged in a war with the other half of the country. Do you think Fox News is "fair and balanced"? Do you actively seek out unbiased sources of information? Are you okay with Fox News and Trump lying, misleading, exaggerating to further YOUR political agenda? When Shep Smith is on do you change the channel? Whose show is recorded on your DVR? Is it Shep Smith or is it Hannity? And do you think Hannity is unbiased? I think we already know the answer to these questions.



I 100% think the mainstream media is biased. At the same time I also agree with most "liberal" outlets on social issues and I think gay people should have equal rights, I think Roe v. Wade isn't that big of a deal, and I don't think illegal immigrants are an existential threat to the United States.

I believe they try to tell the truth, and I know when they mistake they rectify it, just like they did here. And they corrected this mistake within 24 hours. When was the last time Trump ever corrected...anything?
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Obama was a race baiter, and came from a line of them.

His previous races he cleared the field using dubious tactics.

He associated with terrorists and racists.

His mentor was a vicious race baiter... and he inhaled his toxic poison for 20-years.

That’s a short sad history of Barack Hussein Obama.

Forget about his idiocies as President... If that’s a good person in your books, it reveals much about you.
 
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Erod said:
Are you the only person that doesn't know about her and Willie Brown?
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That's it? Having sex, presumably, with one man who was her boyfriend who was politically powerful counts as sleeping her way to the top?
 
Mason66 said:
How long have you know Obama personally? You say he is a good person, which has to come from personal experience, right?
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Why does it have to come from personal experience? And why would my personal experience be important? Wouldn't it be better to rely on objective facts, and also the personal experiences of a wider sample group?

None of us are omniscient, but there is no evidence Obama committed tax fraud, bilked his contractors, defrauded his investors and banks, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on his wife with a porn star, and consistently lied to the American people. Obama's policies and decision-making process were generally always moderate and thoughtful. Obama was nearly always polite to people, whether they be strangers, friends, or opponents. Obama was dignified at all times. He was educated. He was kind. He was successful at his most important task, which was to improve the economy and improve the general wellbeing of his fellow citizens. Obama pursued our national interests over those of his personal interests. We cannot say the same for Trump at this point.

I'm a moderate, and I don't agree with everything Obama did, but I think Obama was a good person and one of our better Presidents.
 
zimmer said:
The Goebbels Media has spoon fed their drooling followers a poison pill every 11.5 days on average. The Goebbels Media followers are like addicts, hoping for a new dose of smack. And smacked they get... with one false story after another.
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Are you talking smack again? :shock:
 
Scarab said:
That's it? Having sex, presumably, with one man who was her boyfriend who was politically powerful counts as sleeping her way to the top?
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Yes.

California as a country would be the fifth largest in the world.

She spread to get ahead.

Maybe she likes guys older than daddy... but I think it’s fair to claim she spread and got ahead... because she did.
 
zimmer said:
Obama was a race baiter, and came from a line of them.
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No he wasn't. Just repeating stupid stuff that Hannity said doesn't make it true. Obama rarely talked about race. And when he did, it made sense. The idea that black people are unfairly targeted by cops isn't a fantasy. It's true. The things he said about Black Lives Matter and the police shootings, they were all very reasonable, moderate sort of comments.

His previous races he cleared the field using dubious tactics.
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What are you talking about? Are you talking about Ryan? The dude that tried to get his wife to have sex with him in public sex clubs? That was Obama's fault?

He associated with terrorists and racists.
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More Hannity claptrap.

His mentor was a vicious race baiter... and he inhaled his toxic poison for 20-years.
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Well, I don't know about that, but Obama, himself, wasn't a race-baiter because he rarely talked about race. You probably just don't like Obama because he's black. I'm sure it bugs you to have someone who is black to be in a better position than you. It bugs you that a black person was your leader, and achieved something you will never achieve. You probably think Obama didn't deserve to be President because he was black.

That’s a short sad history of Barack Hussein Obama.
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Yeah, he had an Arabic middle name. So what? That doesn't make him a bad person.

Forget about his idiocies as President...
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He made mistakes, I don't agree with everything he did, but in general, he was a good President.

If that’s a good person in your books, it reveals much about you.
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Yeah, I'm not a racist.
 
Scarab said:
Imagine what would happen if I said that Palin knows about taking dick.
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To get ahead?

Did not happen. So you’d likely get shot down pretty quick
 
Fletch said:
Nice whataboutism there. Any comment on the NYT running an unsubstantiated hit piece? Or do you not care because you hate the person being smeared
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It would have been a real hoot to hear what Gellibrand would have said after this Times report came out.
If anyone ever proved they have no no political instincts at all it was she. She actually
honored the "Mattress Girl" of Columbia by inviting her to Obama's State of the Union address in 2015.
By championing Ms. Sulkowicz Gillibrand participated in a harassment campaign against Paul Nungesser, who, for good reason,
has been found innocent by all investigating bodies.” Columbia 'mattress girl' made rape claim after being scorned.

Gillibrand 'The Madame Defarge of New York' was at it again with her remarks about the accusations of
sexual assault against Kavanaugh. “I believe Dr. Blasey Ford,” she announced during a press conference
because "she’s telling the truth.” very very bad political instincts!

It's hard to believe any of the candidates could have been infected with that Gellibrand syndrome but
here we are. Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), fBeto O’Rourke (Tex.)
& Julián Castro, all presidential candidates have jumped on the NYT story before the retraction &
like the idiots they are called for impeaching Kavanaugh duped by another fake news story.
I'm a little surprised at Warren, up till now I thought she had substantial political instints.
 
zimmer said:
Yes.

California as a country would be the fifth largest in the world.

She spread to get ahead.

Maybe she likes guys older than daddy... but I think it’s fair to claim she spread and got ahead... because she did.
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Ok. I just wanted to know if there was anything to that position besides Willie Brown.
 
zimmer said:
To get ahead?

Did not happen. So you’d likely get shot down pretty quick
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"To get ahead" did not appear in your original post and we both know why.
 
tres borrachos said:
Willie Brown forced all those people to vote for her all these years?
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People do lots of favors for people they're in romantic relationships with. Powerful people sometimes give powerful favors. Maybe Harris became involved with Brown just to advance her career and influence. Because that's unsubstantiated, and because Brown is just one man, I think this particular criticism against Harris is partisan crap.
 
But while we found Dr. Ford’s allegations credible during a 10-month investigation, Ms. Ramirez’s story could be more fully corroborated. During his Senate testimony, Mr. Kavanaugh said that if the incident Ms. Ramirez described had occurred, it would have been “the talk of campus.” Our reporting suggests that it was.

At least seven people, including Ms. Ramirez’s mother, heard about the Yale incident long before Mr. Kavanaugh was a federal judge. Two of those people were classmates who learned of it just days after the party occurred, suggesting that it was discussed among students at the time.

We also uncovered a previously unreported story about Mr. Kavanaugh in his freshman year that echoes Ms. Ramirez’s allegation. A classmate, Max Stier, saw Mr. Kavanaugh with his pants down at a different drunken dorm party, where friends pushed his penis into the hand of a female student. Mr. Stier, who runs a nonprofit organization in Washington, notified senators and the F.B.I. about this account, but the F.B.I. did not investigate and Mr. Stier has declined to discuss it publicly. We corroborated the story with two officials who have communicated with Mr. Stier; the female student declined to be interviewed and friends say she does not recall the episode.
 
TurtleDude said:
what does that have to do with a Democrat party organ engaging in virulent smear campaigns other than showing that the TDS crowd doesn't care about the truth?
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It is not a smear campaign if it is true.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This isn't okay.

What I want to know is why Trump supporters are never irritated when Trump or Trump propaganda outlets lie.

It just seems like you guys just eat it up, like you enjoy the fact Trump lies, like you are getting back at the media or something, and that Trump lying just to get back at the media is okay.
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Should have stopped typing after first 3 words.

Deflection is not a defense
 
TomFitz said:
It’s a very rare occurrence.

Nor is there any evidence that this is a hit piece.

Not that it matters. Other witnesses recorded similar behaviors, and Christine Ford’s testimony was never discredited at all.

And Kavanaugh’s peevish, self righteous belligerence screamed white privilege and entitlement.

It would have ended his candidacy that instant in a normal Congress. But since the GOP is fully invested in protecting Trump, at whatever cost, Senators who would normally have showed Kavanaugh the door, fell in line.
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Complete garbage from start to finish. The story is a smear and a hit piece but you are unable to bring yourself to admit his obvious fact so you attack the victim of the smear. Pathetic.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Everyone holds the NYT and the media to a high standard. The NYT knows this as well, that's why they corrected the story within 24 hours.
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The story shouldnt have run. It wasnt corroborated. The rest of your post is just a whataboutism rant. This has nothing to do with Trump. There are plenty of threads about him. This is about the NYT. Try and focus.
 
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