US attorney recommends proceeding with charges against McCabe, as DOJ rejects last-ditch appeal

SLC said:

:lol: The judge was back peddling from his blunder before the recess. I'm satisfied to wait and see what Sidney Powell negotiates this case to. She is extremely good. And your comments about a conspiracy book author shows your level of ignorance. We will have to wait and see though. If Wisseman is hiding exculpatory evidence AGAIN as he has been censored for in the past I don't think it will go well for the prosecution. Andrew Weissmann was officially reprimanded by a judge in the Eastern District of New York for withholding evidence. He also got into trouble for his tactics and was removed from the Enron case. And Judge Sulivan has reversed a case when the attorney withheld exculpatory evidence in the past. So the fact that Powell has personal knowledge of Wisseman's dirty tactics and is trying to obtain evidence that she says is exculpatory is very interesting.
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Knock it off with this Pro-Trump/anti-Rule of Law propaganda. It's just more thuggish bullying in support of Trump.

You and other Trump supporters need to get it through your thick heads that Trump and his goons are not above the law.

Weissman wasn't "removed" from the Enron case. He served since the beginning of the Enron investigation, for more than 3.5 years on the prosecutorial team, and was its director for 17 months. While he was on the team. He helped:

#379: 07-18-05 ENRON TASK FORCE DIRECTOR ANDREW WEISSMANN TO STEP DOWN, SEAN BERKOWITZ NAMED DIRECTOR

...bring charges against 34 defendants, including including Enron’s former Chairman Kenneth Lay, Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Skilling, Chief Financial Officer Andrew Fastow, Chief Accounting Officer Richard Causey, Treasurer Ben Glisan, and other high and mid-level Enron and Merrill Lynch executives. Weissmann led the investigations into Andrew and Lea Fastow, Ben Glisan, David Duncan, and the five defendants convicted after trial in the Enron-Merrill Lynch “Nigerian Barge” parking scheme. He also served as the lead prosecutor in the trial of Arthur Andersen in the spring of 2002, and successfully implemented deferred prosecution agreements with innovative monitorship provisions with respect to two financial institutions - Merrill Lynch and Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC). To date, the Task Force has restrained more than $165 million in proceeds derived by the defendants from criminal activity.

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The bottom line is that Trump and his supporters have to resort to defending thugs and crooks, violators of the law, in order to mount a defense of Trump.

SLC said:

Try to stay up with the convesation. That's not what I have been talking about.

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You are tripping over your ego. You haven't successfully refuted the point that Flynn was somehow mistreated in any way.

W_Heisenberg said:

You are tripping over your ego. You haven't successfully refuted the point that Flynn was somehow mistreated in any way.

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admit it it....you don't care if Flynn was mistreated...he was trying to help Trump.. F him and Manafort and Cohen...all about punishing anyone helping Trump.

its the way of Weissmann...gotta history

W_Heisenberg said:

Every single thread like this, Trump supporters type with glee because they are finally getting "payback" for law enforcement having the audacity to investigate their Dear Leader.

And then it's a series of whataboutisms in a lame attempt to defend Trump's terrible actions or the terrible actions of his thuggish goons.

It's all about Trump. The FBI rarely criminally charges employees on lack of candor charges resulting from internal investigations. Apparently, they almost always just fire them.

Thoughts on the Impending Prosecution of Andrew McCabe - Lawfare

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Trying to derail a thread is against forum rules. So please just try to stick to the topic in the OP. Thanks

SLC said:

This is not a TRUMP thread please don't try to derail it.

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It's a Trump thread in as much this wouldn't be happening if McCabe hadn't pissed Trump off. We have a Trump transition member recommending the prosecution of a witness against the Trump transition. Reminds me of when Trump had Rosenstein write a memo saying that Comey should be fired for how he handled the Clinton investigation.

W_Heisenberg said:

You are tripping over your ego. You haven't successfully refuted the point that Flynn was somehow mistreated in any way.

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Never said he was mistreated. Now if Sidney Powell is correct and Wisseman did withhold exculpatory evidence like he has been guilty of in the past that would be mistreatment. When Ms Powell gets the evidence she wants we will see if she is right. Sullivan has ordered the government to give her everything she wants but the government is dragging their feet. Sounds suspicious to me.

HAL9000 said:

It's a Trump thread in as much this wouldn't be happening if McCabe hadn't pissed Trump off. We have a Trump transition member recommending the prosecution of a witness against the Trump transition. Reminds me of when Trump had Rosenstein write a memo saying that Comey should be fired for how he handled the Clinton investigation.

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So McCabe wouldn't have lied three times under oath to investigators and once not under oath to investigators if it wasn't for Trump. :lol: Now that is some spin there. :lamo

W_Heisenberg said:

Knock it off with this Pro-Trump/anti-Rule of Law propaganda. It's just more thuggish bullying in support of Trump.

You and other Trump supporters need to get it through your thick heads that Trump and his goons are not above the law.

Weissman wasn't "removed" from the Enron case. He served since the beginning of the Enron investigation, for more than 3.5 years on the prosecutorial team, and was its director for 17 months. While he was on the team. He helped:

#379: 07-18-05 ENRON TASK FORCE DIRECTOR ANDREW WEISSMANN TO STEP DOWN, SEAN BERKOWITZ NAMED DIRECTOR



The bottom line is that Trump and his supporters have to resort to defending thugs and crooks, violators of the law, in order to mount a defense of Trump.

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I'm not saying anything about Enron either way. I am saying the government should conduct themselves ethically. By ALL accounts Wisseman didn't and was removed from the Enron case. He is an unethical lawyer.

Atomic Kid said:

LOL! There's no such thing as a 'transitional government'. We have only ONE President and only ONE National Security Advisor at any ONE time. Except in this Administration. Which often seems to be without a National Security Advisor. You are in a federal government office or you are not.

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And no decisions were being made by Flynn. He was feeling out people with whom he would shortly be working. Nothing wrong with that.

Athanasius68 said:

And no decisions were being made by Flynn. He was feeling out people with whom he would shortly be working. Nothing wrong with that.

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Yup Obama's team did and so did Bush's but Trump's...BAD! BAD!

Trump said:

admit it it....you don't care if Flynn was mistreated...he was trying to help Trump.. F him and Manafort and Cohen...all about punishing anyone helping Trump.

its the way of Weissmann...gotta history

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I believe the Rule of Law is one of the foundations of our Republic. Without the Rule of Law the Republic will cease to exist. The political and legal institutions of our Republic are the mechanisms with which we use to resolve our disputes and to make decisions as a country. It is clear that Trump and his supporters, and now the Republican party as a whole, find that these political and legal institutions as nothing more than a nuisance. And, that is why, when you see potential prosecutions of McCabe, Trump supporters like yourself write about how happy they are that people who "attacked" Trump and are finally getting "payback". This rank partisanship is a form of extremism and it will destroy our country.

So, I reject, wholeheartedly your assertion. And you must also know I am a former Republican. I am a former Republican because I am not willing to sell my soul for the sake of minor policy gains, even major policy gains.

You and your fellow Trump supporters are going to end up ruining our country in the name of Jesus and white supremacy. You just lack the education, historical knowledge, and general wisdom to see it.

The Republican Party is now the party of Right-Wing Authoritarianism, it's now the party of thugs and bullies.

W_Heisenberg said:

Knock it off with this Pro-Trump/anti-Rule of Law propaganda. It's just more thuggish bullying in support of Trump.

You and other Trump supporters need to get it through your thick heads that Trump and his goons are not above the law.

Weissman wasn't "removed" from the Enron case. He served since the beginning of the Enron investigation, for more than 3.5 years on the prosecutorial team, and was its director for 17 months. While he was on the team. He helped:

#379: 07-18-05 ENRON TASK FORCE DIRECTOR ANDREW WEISSMANN TO STEP DOWN, SEAN BERKOWITZ NAMED DIRECTOR



The bottom line is that Trump and his supporters have to resort to defending thugs and crooks, violators of the law, in order to mount a defense of Trump.

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Read this article.Explosive New Docs Reveal Weissmann’s Misconduct In Enron Case

TomFitz said:

You should tell that to Trump.

The appearance of impropriety is one of the constants of his Administration.

At this point, he is all but publicly demanding baksheesh from foreign governments, and US government agencies.

And the aura of sleaziness that has always surrounded him has attracted small time hustlers and big time crooks like moths to a flame. The corruption in the Trump Administration is not only rampant, but the appearance of it is a daily occurrence.

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Why cant you just admit that was wrong without the whatabout?

SLC said:

Read this article.Explosive New Docs Reveal Weissmann’s Misconduct In Enron Case

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We have to take whatever the Federalist writes about Trump with a grain of salt, they are one of the most consistently pro-Trump former Conservative publications out there. I say former Conservative because I do not believe the kind of stuff the Trump administration is doing to be Conservative. It's mostly about maintaining white racial superiority and asserting Christian/evangelical dominance over the government and policy-making. So when they use headlines like, "Explosive New Docs!" we have to recognize it's mostly about writing pro-Trump propaganda.

Neither Trump nor the pro-Trump propagandists at the Federalist would have been happy unless the investigation was managed by Trump, Jr., that all the prosecutors and FBI agents were pro-Trump, and the Judge handling the case was Ivanka Trump, and the jury in all the subsequent trials was comprised of Trump supporters who donated to the Trump campaign. It's completely idiotic the things Trump supporters are complaining about, and it's all about this idea that they think Trump should not be submitted to the authority of the Rule of Law, that Trump himself is beyond the Rule of Law, like some king or monarch. So knock it off. He's not a king. He's not a monarch. If he does something wrong Congress can remove him.

It's ridiculous, this notion, that every single person involved in investigating or prosecuting Trump and his allies has to be as clean as the pure-driven snow. Trump is not above the law, and he doesn't get to have the deck stacked in his favor like he's some bratty student at an elite boarding school who gets Straight-As because his parents are the biggest donors.

This is the first time in Trump's life that he had to be held to account for his OWN actions, and he cannot stand it. And this is one of the many reasons why I am going to punish Republicans by voting for Democrats from now on. The Republicans have completely lost their marbles and sold their soul to the devil as far as I'm concerned.

I agree Weissman is not perfect. And I think Weismann shouldn't have done what he did, but that doesn't mean he is then forever barred from handling important prosecutions.

SLC said:

So McCabe wouldn't have lied three times under oath to investigators and once not under oath to investigators if it wasn't for Trump. :lol: Now that is some spin there. :lamo

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That's a quite a stretch from what I said, don't you think?

No, I'm saying that Trump applies improper pressure to punish those who work against him. For example, Jeff sessions showed a lack of candor in his testimony during his confirmation hearings, when he said he did not recall any activities connecting the Trump campaign to the Russian government. He later admitted he discussed the Trump campaign with ambassador Kislyak. McCabe opened and investigation into Sessions. Sessions fired McCabe. Think we'll be seeing any indictments for 1001 violations against Sessions anytime soon? I don't.

18 U.S. Code § 1001.
(c)With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—
(1)administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
(2)any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

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So does anybody know the status of the grand jury yet? It seems like they chose not to indict, but details are scarce at best.

W_Heisenberg said:

I believe the Rule of Law is one of the foundations of our Republic. Without the Rule of Law the Republic will cease to exist. The political and legal institutions of our Republic are the mechanisms with which we use to resolve our disputes and to make decisions as a country. It is clear that Trump and his supporters, and now the Republican party as a whole, find that these political and legal institutions as nothing more than a nuisance. And, that is why, when you see potential prosecutions of McCabe, Trump supporters like yourself write about how happy they are that people who "attacked" Trump and are finally getting "payback". This rank partisanship is a form of extremism and it will destroy our country.

So, I reject, wholeheartedly your assertion. And you must also know I am a former Republican. I am a former Republican because I am not willing to sell my soul for the sake of minor policy gains, even major policy gains.

You and your fellow Trump supporters are going to end up ruining our country in the name of Jesus and white supremacy. You just lack the education, historical knowledge, and general wisdom to see it.

The Republican Party is now the party of Right-Wing Authoritarianism, it's now the party of thugs and bullies.

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Trump has the expectation of protection of the rule of law and that the political and legal institutions treaty him justly as well.

There have been legitimate issues raised that the decision to investigate Trump for conspiring with Russia to fix the 2016 was not made properly and was strongly political in nature. Given that, the rule of law, is indeed being applied and defended by investigating the investigators.

Athanasius68 said:

Trump has the expectation of protection of the rule of law and that the political and legal institutions treaty him justly as well.

There have been legitimate issues raised that the decision to investigate Trump for conspiring with Russia to fix the 2016 was not made properly and was strongly political in nature. Given that, the rule of law, is indeed being applied and defended by investigating the investigators.

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Just because Hannity screams every night, "Leave Trump alone!", doesn't mean there are "legitimate issues" that have been raised.

W_Heisenberg said:

I believe the Rule of Law is one of the foundations of our Republic. Without the Rule of Law the Republic will cease to exist. The political and legal institutions of our Republic are the mechanisms with which we use to resolve our disputes and to make decisions as a country. It is clear that Trump and his supporters, and now the Republican party as a whole, find that these political and legal institutions as nothing more than a nuisance. And, that is why, when you see potential prosecutions of McCabe, Trump supporters like yourself write about how happy they are that people who "attacked" Trump and are finally getting "payback". This rank partisanship is a form of extremism and it will destroy our country.

So, I reject, wholeheartedly your assertion. And you must also know I am a former Republican. I am a former Republican because I am not willing to sell my soul for the sake of minor policy gains, even major policy gains.

You and your fellow Trump supporters are going to end up ruining our country in the name of Jesus and white supremacy. You just lack the education, historical knowledge, and general wisdom to see it.

The Republican Party is now the party of Right-Wing Authoritarianism, it's now the party of thugs and bullies.

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good...when Durham makes his full report on the abuse of power that went on to oust a sitting President I'm glad you'll support the rule of law as Bill Barr prosecutes those involved.

Trump said:

good...when Durham makes his full report on the abuse of power that went on to oust a sitting President I'm glad you'll support the rule of law as Bill Barr prosecutes those involved.

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Nope. Not going to happen. You are going to eat your words. And Bill Barr is a thug and a crook too. He is a mini-me version of Trump.

The President is not above the law and just because someone investigates him doesn't mean that the investigator is wrong or abusing his power.

The bottom line is you think the President is the ultimate authority on everything. You think just like Trump does. The President is not above the law.

W_Heisenberg said:

Nope. Not going to happen. You are going to eat your words. And Bill Barr is a thug and a crook too. He is a mini-me version of Trump.

The President is not above the law and just because someone investigates him doesn't mean that the investigator is wrong or abusing his power.

The bottom line is you think the President is the ultimate authority on everything. You think just like Trump does. The President is not above the law.

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but you support the rule of law....correct? IF it happens you will support the law.

W_Heisenberg said:

We have to take whatever the Federalist writes about Trump with a grain of salt, they are one of the most consistently pro-Trump former Conservative publications out there. I say former Conservative because I do not believe the kind of stuff the Trump administration is doing to be Conservative. It's mostly about maintaining white racial superiority and asserting Christian/evangelical dominance over the government and policy-making. So when they use headlines like, "Explosive New Docs!" we have to recognize it's mostly about writing pro-Trump propaganda.

Neither Trump nor the pro-Trump propagandists at the Federalist would have been happy unless the investigation was managed by Trump, Jr., that all the prosecutors and FBI agents were pro-Trump, and the Judge handling the case was Ivanka Trump, and the jury in all the subsequent trials was comprised of Trump supporters who donated to the Trump campaign. It's completely idiotic the things Trump supporters are complaining about, and it's all about this idea that they think Trump should not be submitted to the authority of the Rule of Law, that Trump himself is beyond the Rule of Law, like some king or monarch. So knock it off. He's not a king. He's not a monarch. If he does something wrong Congress can remove him.

It's ridiculous, this notion, that every single person involved in investigating or prosecuting Trump and his allies has to be as clean as the pure-driven snow. Trump is not above the law, and he doesn't get to have the deck stacked in his favor like he's some bratty student at an elite boarding school who gets Straight-As because his parents are the biggest donors.

This is the first time in Trump's life that he had to be held to account for his OWN actions, and he cannot stand it. And this is one of the many reasons why I am going to punish Republicans by voting for Democrats from now on. The Republicans have completely lost their marbles and sold their soul to the devil as far as I'm concerned.

I agree Weissman is not perfect. And I think Weismann shouldn't have done what he did, but that doesn't mean he is then forever barred from handling important prosecutions.

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That is all you have to say the rest is just hyperbolic garbage.

HAL9000 said:

That's a quite a stretch from what I said, don't you think?

No, I'm saying that Trump applies improper pressure to punish those who work against him. For example, Jeff sessions showed a lack of candor in his testimony during his confirmation hearings, when he said he did not recall any activities connecting the Trump campaign to the Russian government. He later admitted he discussed the Trump campaign with ambassador Kislyak. McCabe opened and investigation into Sessions. Sessions fired McCabe. Think we'll be seeing any indictments for 1001 violations against Sessions anytime soon? I don't.

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Hey if Sessions disscused anything of substance and not just cocktail conversation go after him. He was no friend of Trump I blame a lot of this mess on his feckless leadership as the Ag and him recusing himself puttying Rosenstein in charge.

Trump said:

admit it it....you don't care if Flynn was mistreated...he was trying to help Trump.. F him and Manafort and Cohen...all about punishing anyone helping Trump.

its the way of Weissmann...gotta history

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For people who tout 'strong on crime' you sure are lax when it comes to people you like who commit crimes. We can't run a democracy where we only prosecute Those People and not people Leaders like who commit serious offenses.

MTAtech said:

For people who tout 'strong on crime' you sure are lax when it comes to people you like who commit crimes. We can't run a democracy where we only prosecute Those People and not people Leaders like who commit serious offenses.

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and what crimes has Trump been charged with again?

mean while....these folks were terminated for cause.

Comey Fired

McCabe Fired

Strzok Fired

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