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Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections

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Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections


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An oil rig docked in Sabine Pass, Tex. The repeal means industrial pollution will be able to flow more freely into waterways.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Thursday announced the repeal of a major Obama-era clean water regulation that had placed limits on polluting chemicals that could be used near streams, wetlands and other bodies of water.

The rollback of the 2015 measure, known as the Waters of the United States rule, adds to a lengthy list of environmental rules that the administration has worked to weaken or undo over the past two and a half years. Those efforts have focused heavily on eliminating restrictions on fossil fuel pollution, including coal-fired power plants, automobile tailpipes, and oil and gas leaks, but have also touched on asbestos and pesticides.

Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections - The New York Times

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Oh good. More contamination of drinking water, more pollution causing wildlife to die. Great for coal companies though. Is American great enough yet?
 
HumblePi said:
Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections


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An oil rig docked in Sabine Pass, Tex. The repeal means industrial pollution will be able to flow more freely into waterways.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Thursday announced the repeal of a major Obama-era clean water regulation that had placed limits on polluting chemicals that could be used near streams, wetlands and other bodies of water.

The rollback of the 2015 measure, known as the Waters of the United States rule, adds to a lengthy list of environmental rules that the administration has worked to weaken or undo over the past two and a half years. Those efforts have focused heavily on eliminating restrictions on fossil fuel pollution, including coal-fired power plants, automobile tailpipes, and oil and gas leaks, but have also touched on asbestos and pesticides.

Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections - The New York Times

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Oh good. More contamination of drinking water, more pollution causing wildlife to die. Great for coal companies though. Is American great enough yet?
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C’mon, get with the program!

Trump says 'air and water are the cleanest they've ever been' in US | TheHill

/s
 
INB4


[ COUNSELOR
Okay. Now, uh, as your counselor, I'm here to tell you about laws and regulations and why they are bad, okay?

So, first of all... Rules'r bad...You shouldn't have rules. And uh, regulations are bad, you shouldn't have regulations.
And as for laws, well, laws are bad you shouldn't do laws. Okay, that about wraps up my introduction, now are there any questions? Yes,
Stan?

STAN
Why do dogs have cold noses?

COUNSELOR
Uh... I'm not sure. ]
​

See https://www.weeklyscript.com/South+Park+-+204+-+Ike's+Wee+Wee.html





Same thing every time from a DP conservartive or libertar....I mean closeted anarchist. Rolling back regulations is good because regulations are bad and scientists don't know anything (aka, their knowledge rightly makes the ignorant ashamed of themselves).

I've never heard one of them - literally never - pick a specific regulation and present a cost/benefit analysis (an actual cost-benefit analysis such as used by that agency), then argue for why we're better off without the regulation than with it. Of course I haven't seen or heard that. They don't have a ****ing clue. They just think they're virtue-signalling how principled they are by insisting that anything government does is bad by definition (except when it separates brown kids from their families and withholds basic necessities).

They just don't have a clue. They mock the idea of having a clue.







Maybe I'll simplify it for them: how many people dying from cancer each "job" allegedly created by rolling back a given regulation is fair?
 
We are all going to die!
 
And this is why voting in state and local elections is so important.
 
And once again, Trump errs on the side of being anti-Obama at all costs to please his idiot constituency's need to maintain their culture of irrationality. This is exactly what happens when a mass of people allow themselves to be convinced that Global Warming is a hoax. It opens the door to completely **** all over every aspect of the environment as a partisan show of force against "the left" who dare use their brains.

I just don't get it and I don't see how the Conservative base will ever be able to move past how they have been behaving for the past eleven years. They actually seem to be getting worse. Perhaps they are transitioning.

- They were irrationally angry over witnessing their ideologies fail one at a time and "the Left" proven correct.

- They bitterly elected a middle finger to tell the rest of America and the world to go to hell.

- Now they celebrate exponentially irrational decisions because they are bitter about what they have become and what represents them now.

Like a butterfly that becomes moth, the progression and transition seems unnatural.
 
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HumblePi said:
Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections


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An oil rig docked in Sabine Pass, Tex. The repeal means industrial pollution will be able to flow more freely into waterways.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Thursday announced the repeal of a major Obama-era clean water regulation that had placed limits on polluting chemicals that could be used near streams, wetlands and other bodies of water.

The rollback of the 2015 measure, known as the Waters of the United States rule, adds to a lengthy list of environmental rules that the administration has worked to weaken or undo over the past two and a half years. Those efforts have focused heavily on eliminating restrictions on fossil fuel pollution, including coal-fired power plants, automobile tailpipes, and oil and gas leaks, but have also touched on asbestos and pesticides.

Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections - The New York Times

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Oh good. More contamination of drinking water, more pollution causing wildlife to die. Great for coal companies though. Is American great enough yet?
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What I find nearly as maddening as Trump's determination to make climate change worse faster is that he's not even doing it primarily because he thinks it will help the economy and simplify business decisions. He's doing it moreso to spite Obama and Democrats. If a Republican administration had implemented the exact same environmental regulations, I believe that Trump would leave them in place.
 
I think something should be made more clear. What the Obama era regulations did was expanded the Federal reach on clean waters to any body of water even if temporary from seasonal rains.

So the federal government could prevent a land owner from leveling ground in their back yard because it was flooding in heavy rains. The federal government could claim authority over a ditch. They could declare farmland to be a wetland during the rainy season and prevent tilling.

Please read the proposed regulation changes from a reliable source which outlines them in total.
 
Scarab said:
What I find nearly as maddening as Trump's determination to make climate change worse faster is that he's not even doing it primarily because he thinks it will help the economy and simplify business decisions. He's doing it moreso to spite Obama and Democrats. If a Republican administration had implemented the exact same environmental regulations, I believe that Trump would leave them in place.
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Undoubtedly.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I think something should be made more clear. What the Obama era regulations did was expanded the Federal reach on clean waters to any body of water even if temporary from seasonal rains.

So the federal government could prevent a land owner from leveling ground in their back yard because it was flooding in heavy rains. The federal government could claim authority over a ditch. They could declare farmland to be a wetland during the rainy season and prevent tilling.

Please read the proposed regulation changes from a reliable source which outlines them in total.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with anything you just said. That's total BS. Trump's claim that this bill impinges on the rights of farmers and rural landowners, is a total lie. This has everything to do with money and pollution of rivers and streams from the runoff of arsenic and other chemicals from coal production. And yes, that DOES pose a threat to Americans. This is going to further weaken regulations specifically for power plants, and oil drilling rigs. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with farmers leveling their land or any other bull**** that you choose to believe.

This clean water rollback is just the latest in a string of moves by Trump to dismantle major environmental protections against pollutants, from curtailing regulations on methane emissions and energy-efficient light bulbs, to pushing for oil and gas drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Destroy the environment -- that's Trump's mission. And in exchange, he makes his rich oil and coal barons richer.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I think something should be made more clear. What the Obama era regulations did was expanded the Federal reach on clean waters to any body of water even if temporary from seasonal rains.

So the federal government could prevent a land owner from leveling ground in their back yard because it was flooding in heavy rains. The federal government could claim authority over a ditch. They could declare farmland to be a wetland during the rainy season and prevent tilling.

Please read the proposed regulation changes from a reliable source which outlines them in total.
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Show us.
 
Mr Person said:
INB4


[ COUNSELOR
Okay. Now, uh, as your counselor, I'm here to tell you about laws and regulations and why they are bad, okay?

So, first of all... Rules'r bad...You shouldn't have rules. And uh, regulations are bad, you shouldn't have regulations.
And as for laws, well, laws are bad you shouldn't do laws. Okay, that about wraps up my introduction, now are there any questions? Yes,
Stan?

STAN
Why do dogs have cold noses?

COUNSELOR
Uh... I'm not sure. ]
​

See https://www.weeklyscript.com/South+Park+-+204+-+Ike's+Wee+Wee.html





Same thing every time from a DP conservartive or libertar....I mean closeted anarchist. Rolling back regulations is good because regulations are bad and scientists don't know anything (aka, their knowledge rightly makes the ignorant ashamed of themselves).

I've never heard one of them - literally never - pick a specific regulation and present a cost/benefit analysis (an actual cost-benefit analysis such as used by that agency), then argue for why we're better off without the regulation than with it. Of course I haven't seen or heard that. They don't have a ****ing clue. They just think they're virtue-signalling how principled they are by insisting that anything government does is bad by definition (except when it separates brown kids from their families and withholds basic necessities).

They just don't have a clue. They mock the idea of having a clue.







Maybe I'll simplify it for them: how many people dying from cancer each "job" allegedly created by rolling back a given regulation is fair?
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It's good until things get really bad and then someone takes action to place regulations. It really is a silly position. There's validity in critiquing excessive regulation, but to claim that things are great now without understanding that they got that way because of regulations, is dishonest.
 
Mr Person said:
By all means, do not let us stop you from drinking a gallon of coal plant runoff on a daily basis to own the libs.
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I don't own anyone, who do you own?
 
Deuce said:
Show us.
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Drowning by EPA overreach | TheHill

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recently found itself in hot water. The New York Times revealed the agency colluded with environmentalist groups in a campaign to manufacture public comments in favor of a new rule that expands its own power. The agency’s actions and the shenanigans of its environmentalist supporters shed light on how a bad rule can flow through the regulatory process.

The Waters of the United States (WOTUS) rule extends the reach of EPA to regulate ponds, ditches and even large puddles under the Clean Water Act (CWA). That’s bad news for farmers, ranchers, small businesses or anyone else who wants to use land under CWA jurisdiction: It costs an average of $270,000 to obtain the special permit required to do so, according to the National Federation of Independent Businesses.
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Donald Trump's EPA takes aim at Obama-era clean water rules
“The old rule put Washington in control of ponds, puddles, and prairie potholes," said Wyoming GOP Sen. John Barrasso, who chairs the Environment and Public Works Committee. "The regulation was so confusing that property owners and businesses could not determine when permits were needed."


The crux of the rollback is a change in how "navigable waterways" are defined under the Clean Water Act.

The 2015 definition crafted under President Barack Obama would narrow considerably under Trump, a move that Wheeler told reporters would make it "clearer and easier to understand ... that will result in significant cost savings, protect the nation's navigable waterways, and reduce barriers to important economic and environmental projects."
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EPA settles with Wyoming farmer over man-made pond | TheHill
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is letting a Wyoming farmer keep the pond he constructed in a closely watched case on the federal government’s jurisdiction over waterways.

Andy Johnson had sued the EPA last year over about $16 million in fines that he had amassed for constructing a pond on his property without an EPA permit, in a creek that the agency said is subject to the Clean Water Act.
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HumblePi said:
This has absolutely nothing to do with anything you just said. That's total BS. Trump's claim that this bill impinges on the rights of farmers and rural landowners, is a total lie. This has everything to do with money and pollution of rivers and streams from the runoff of arsenic and other chemicals from coal production. And yes, that DOES pose a threat to Americans. This is going to further weaken regulations specifically for power plants, and oil drilling rigs. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with farmers leveling their land or any other bull**** that you choose to believe.

This clean water rollback is just the latest in a string of moves by Trump to dismantle major environmental protections against pollutants, from curtailing regulations on methane emissions and energy-efficient light bulbs, to pushing for oil and gas drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Destroy the environment -- that's Trump's mission. And in exchange, he makes his rich oil and coal barons richer.
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It clarifies what bodies of water the EPA can regulate and they need to be navigable, like it was before the Obama administration decided they wanted to regulate backyards, mud puddles, ditches, and farm fields.

Deal with the facts and quit the drama ****.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Drowning by EPA overreach | TheHill



Donald Trump's EPA takes aim at Obama-era clean water rules


EPA settles with Wyoming farmer over man-made pond | TheHill
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More BS, and your own link states it as such. From your second link --->

The new rule would replace an Obama administration regulation, known as the "Waters of the United States" rule that expanded federal protections to smaller rivers and streams.
...
“Even a child understands that small streams flow into large streams and lakes – which provide drinking water for so many Americans,” said Craig Cox, senior vice president for agriculture and natural resources for the Environmental Working Group. “By removing safeguards and allowing industry to dump pollutants into these water sources, Trump’s EPA is ensuring more contamination challenges for utilities and dirtier water for their customers.”

Evidently the man-child Trump understands less than a child.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I think something should be made more clear. What the Obama era regulations did was expanded the Federal reach on clean waters to any body of water even if temporary from seasonal rains.

So the federal government could prevent a land owner from leveling ground in their back yard because it was flooding in heavy rains. The federal government could claim authority over a ditch. They could declare farmland to be a wetland during the rainy season and prevent tilling.

Please read the proposed regulation changes from a reliable source which outlines them in total.
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Please give examples where any of that happened since 2015?
 
OpportunityCost said:
It clarifies what bodies of water the EPA can regulate and they need to be navigable, like it was before the Obama administration decided they wanted to regulate backyards, mud puddles, ditches, and farm fields.

Deal with the facts and quit the drama ****.
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Even chemicals dumped into dry ditches and watersheds eventually get into the major streams and lakes, as soon as there is major downpour. Anybody who lives in the West understands this basic fact.
 
HumblePi said:
Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections


merlin_146441016_ef6f5e15-35a0-4f42-be96-8794d5614d41-articleLarge.jpg


An oil rig docked in Sabine Pass, Tex. The repeal means industrial pollution will be able to flow more freely into waterways.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Thursday announced the repeal of a major Obama-era clean water regulation that had placed limits on polluting chemicals that could be used near streams, wetlands and other bodies of water.

The rollback of the 2015 measure, known as the Waters of the United States rule, adds to a lengthy list of environmental rules that the administration has worked to weaken or undo over the past two and a half years. Those efforts have focused heavily on eliminating restrictions on fossil fuel pollution, including coal-fired power plants, automobile tailpipes, and oil and gas leaks, but have also touched on asbestos and pesticides.

Trump Administration to Roll Back Clean Water Protections - The New York Times

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Oh good. More contamination of drinking water, more pollution causing wildlife to die. Great for coal companies though. Is American great enough yet?
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Anything to keep the economy going, even if it means poisoning children.
 
Media_Truth said:
More BS, and your own link states it as such. From your second link --->

The new rule would replace an Obama administration regulation, known as the "Waters of the United States" rule that expanded federal protections to smaller rivers and streams.
...
“Even a child understands that small streams flow into large streams and lakes – which provide drinking water for so many Americans,” said Craig Cox, senior vice president for agriculture and natural resources for the Environmental Working Group. “By removing safeguards and allowing industry to dump pollutants into these water sources, Trump’s EPA is ensuring more contamination challenges for utilities and dirtier water for their customers.”

Evidently the man-child Trump understands less than a child.
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The Obama rules argued for regulation of ANY body of water within the US.
 
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