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Supreme Court allows Trump administration to enforce toughest restriction yet on asylum requests[

Scarab said:
We won't ever know why they tried to immigrate because they're being disqualified before they ever talk to a government official.
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If I had a dollar for every sad story I heard...
 
SLC said:
They can apply in their own countries.
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Sometimes it's too dangerous for them in their own countries.

Think of the Jews trying to escape Nazi Germany. Hundreds were turned away from the U.S. and told to go back to the countries they had just escaped from and apply for asylum from there. Hundreds died.

Laws were changed to stop that from happening again.

If an asylum seeker gets to the U.S., even if they come here illegally, U.S. law says they are entitled to apply for asylum. Here.
 
Amelia said:
Sometimes it's too dangerous for them in their own countries.

Think of the Jews trying to escape Nazi Germany. Hundreds were turned away from the U.S. and told to go back to the countries they had just escaped from and apply for asylum from there. Hundreds died.

Laws were changed to stop that from happening again.

If an asylum seeker gets to the U.S., even if they come here illegally, U.S. law says they are entitled to apply for asylum. Here.
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Over 90% of the people that have applied for asylum do not qualify for asylum. They can also apply for asylum in countries other than the US.
 
HumblePi said:
I believe there are criminal elements inside our government, that's what I believe, and they're slowly destroying the rule of law as set forth in the Constitution. Blow it off as nothing, but you're the one that's going to have to live in this shameful country for many years, not me.
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Can you quote the party of the constitution that says we have have to accept asylum seekers.
 
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SLC said:
Over 90% of the people that have applied for asylum do not qualify for asylum. They can also apply for asylum in countries other than the US.
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That stat may be so. I believe there is some disagreement with that stat, but let us assume that it is so.

It is still the law that people who reach America may apply for asylum in America.


Trump's order violates the law.
 
Amelia said:
It goes against the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and its amendments as recorded in the U.S. Code.

"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

8 U.S. Code SS 1158 - Asylum | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute



That's the main thing. I gather there are also other issues in how the regulation was made, but mostly it appears it's simply against the law.
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So you think you understand the law better then the US Supreme Court. Can you tell us what you background in US law is.
 
Amelia said:
Sometimes it's too dangerous for them in their own countries.

Think of the Jews trying to escape Nazi Germany. Hundreds were turned away from the U.S. and told to go back to the countries they had just escaped from and apply for asylum from there. Hundreds died.

Laws were changed to stop that from happening again.

If an asylum seeker gets to the U.S., even if they come here illegally, U.S. law says they are entitled to apply for asylum. Here.
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Being to dangerous in their own country stops them from applying in the countries they passed through on their way here how exactly.
 
SLC said:
They can apply in their own countries.
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And they should. I don't know why people are applying for asylum when they arrive at the US and not sooner. Maybe they don't have internet access. Maybe they can't get the forms. Maybe their murder was attempted and they fled unexpectedly in the middle of the night. Maybe they wanted the help of attorneys that they couldn't find or afford in their countries of origin. Maybe they don't qualify for asylum at all and are just trying to scam us. Maybe all of them. The point is that Trump and hiz Nazi domestic policy advisor, Stephen Miller, are hell bent on removing non-white people from this country and on preventing any other non-white people from entering it. As a result, I don't trust anything the administration does related to immigration policy.
 
braindrain said:
Can you quote the party of the country that says we have have to accept asylum seekers.
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U.S. law says that people who are in the country have the right to apply for asylum here. After consideration, their request may be denied and they may be ordered to be deported. But by law they have the right to at least may the application here.

"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

8 U.S. Code SS 1158 - Asylum | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
joko104 said:
If I had a dollar for every sad story I heard...
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Then what? You'd have a dollar? Your posts are devoid of human, let alone American, compassion, so I can't imagine you know much about sad stories.
 
braindrain said:
So you think you understand the law better then the US Supreme Court. Can you tell us what you background in US law is.
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The Supreme Court didn't rule on whether Trump's order was legal.

A lower court did say the order was illegal. The Supreme Court gave the Trump administration permission to carry out the order anyway while the cases work their way through the court system up to the Supreme Court to get a final verdict.
 
braindrain said:
Can you quote the party of the constitution that says we have have to accept asylum seekers.
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This isn't about accepting asylum seekers. It's about accepting their applications.
 
Scarab said:
And they should. I don't know why people are applying for asylum when they arrive at the US and not sooner. Maybe they don't have internet access. Maybe they can't get the forms. Maybe their murder was attempted and they fled unexpectedly in the middle of the night. Maybe they wanted the help of attorneys that they couldn't find or afford in their countries of origin. Maybe they don't qualify for asylum at all and are just trying to scam us. Maybe all of them. The point is that Trump and hiz Nazi domestic policy advisor, Stephen Miller, are hell bent on removing non-white people from this country and on preventing any other non-white people from entering it. As a result, I don't trust anything the administration does related to immigration policy.
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When they transit through Mexico in order to get to the United States they are no longer in danger and they are asylum shopping. Its illegal in the EU to asylum shop. I don't have as much sympathy if they refuse asylum in Mexico. The majority of these folks are economic migrants and don't qualify for asylum.
 
Amelia said:
The Supreme Court didn't rule on whether Trump's order was legal.

A lower court did say the order was illegal. The Supreme Court gave the Trump administration permission to carry out the order anyway while the cases work their way through the court system up to the Supreme Court to get a final verdict.
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If the Trump administration hadn't made a compelling argument the lower court's ruling would not have been stayed.
 
SLC said:
If the Trump administration hadn't made a compelling argument the lower court's ruling would not have been stayed.
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We don't know that.

The order granting the stay did not comment on the strength of the argument. We don't know if the split was 5-4, 6-3 or 7-2.

The court granted the stay without explanation.

Recently the current court has departed widely from precedent. We can't know whether it's following the normal "Trump has a good chance of prevailing so we issue the stay" tradition or not.
 
SLC said:
When they transit through Mexico in order to get to the United States they are no longer in danger and they are asylum shopping. Its illegal in the EU to asylum shop. I don't have as much sympathy if they refuse asylum in Mexico. The majority of these folks are economic migrants and don't qualify for asylum.
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Maybe. Like I already said, the administration's intentions related to immigration are all bad. I'll have sympathy for immigrants before I have any for what Trump is doing.
 
Amelia said:
Sometimes it's too dangerous for them in their own countries.

Think of the Jews trying to escape Nazi Germany. Hundreds were turned away from the U.S. and told to go back to the countries they had just escaped from and apply for asylum from there. Hundreds died.

Laws were changed to stop that from happening again.

If an asylum seeker gets to the U.S., even if they come here illegally, U.S. law says they are entitled to apply for asylum. Here.
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You know who died trying to get into the US? Anne Frank.
 
HumblePi said:
Yes I am 'for real', this is an abomination, this goes against everything this country was founded on. Trump and his Supreme Court toadies are following the orders of Stephen Miller who is the white nationalist Trump whisperer.
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If you believe Trump by enforcing the toughest restrictions yet on asylum requests
is going against everything this country was founded on,
you're expanding the frontiers of desperation a notch or two. I think maybe you have a dog in this fight

Is that your sincere belief that the SCOTUS is following the orders of Steven Miller 'the white nationalist'?

If so it's hard to admire your ability to spew pure nonsense. But I'm truly impressed if you really believe
what you have posted.

Many of us applaud Trump hoping he will stop the deterioration of life caused by illegal &
legal immigration in our once harmonious society.


The multicultural polygot we are beginning to see indications of will divide America into small pockets
of people trying to live as they lived in Mexico, Iraq, Vietnam, China, keeping their religion, values,
and beliefs. This is a cultural disaster.
 
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SLC said:
When they transit through Mexico in order to get to the United States they are no longer in danger and they are asylum shopping. Its illegal in the EU to asylum shop. I don't have as much sympathy if they refuse asylum in Mexico. The majority of these folks are economic migrants and don't qualify for asylum.
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But once they cross the border they have allies among the immigration lawyers who rarely are on the up & up!

A federal judge sentenced an Illinois immigration lawyer who cheated the immigration system
to make sure his clients were granted asylum in the U.S. to 15 months in prison.

Prosecutors say Robert Dekelaita, who called himself “Robin Hood” for refugees, would forge the
names of his clients seeking asylum on application papers and fabricate their life stories with horrific
anecdotes of kidnappings, bombings, and religious persecution that were all false, drawing inspiration
from news stories he collected, CBS Chicago reported.

Trump understands that this situation is not sustainable. His strength is the hope that
the people are still with him on putting America first. He faces some serious obstacles.
 
slick said:
If you believe Trump by enforcing the toughest restrictions yet on asylum requests
is going against everything this country was founded on,
you're expanding the frontiers of desperation a notch or two. I think maybe you have a dog in this fight

Is that your sincere belief that the SCOTUS is following the orders of Steven Miller 'the white nationalist'?

If so it's hard to admire your ability to spew pure nonsense. But I'm truly impressed if you really believe
what you have posted.

Many of us applaud Trump hoping he will stop the deterioration of life caused by illegal &
legal immigration in our once harmonious society.


The multicultural polygot we are beginning to see indications of will divide America into small pockets
of people trying to live as they lived in Mexico, Iraq, Vietnam, China, keeping their religion, values,
and beliefs. This is a cultural disaster.
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Spoken like Stephen Miller. Remind us please when the US was "harmonious". Was that when we were genociding Native Americans, lynching black people, or interning Japanese Americans? Your irrational fear of multiculturalism is not only disproven by history but is also the definition of xenophobia.
 
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