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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    So if you and i are out in public together and you get into an anrgument with someone and they shove you, does that give me the legal authority to punch him? Does it matter if the person takes a defensive or aggresive stance after the shove? I'd like to know what the law is in these situtations.

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    Normally, the law will look at you pushing me as an assault, an aggressive act, a reason for you to defend me. Especially if witnesses are saying the other person started the confrontation and that person then later tries to initially act as if the reason they were punched was something they were wearing without provocation.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Of course i would but thats not what im yalking about. Im raising the question of if its legal to defend someone elses honor if there is no immediate threat present.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    I agree with that but being a dick isnt a crime. I find many things people say and many symbols offensive but that does not give me a license to deystroy those symvols or attack those people.

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    No but what led up to an assault is almost always taken into consideration by most juries when it comes to a fight, a simple assault. They look at the actions of the supposed victim before such things occur, what were they doing if anything to possibly instigate or even discourage a fight/altercation. And they also look at what people say afterward about what they think happened, caused the altercation, including trying to blame something like a hat or other such thing when you know there was much more to it. Juries don't generally take it well when you lie about a situation to police and press.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If a black guy pushed someone's wife, the same people would be screaming that dumping a mag into him is the right thing to do. Hell, a black guy talking to someone's wife is grounds to shoot him. We've seen that right here.

    Outrage against false claims has a very clear line, and it's drawn at race.
    Some of these same posters were defending the guy who shot and killed a man who pushed him off his wife during an argument over parking, eventhough it was shown the man who was killed backed off right after pushing him down.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Some of these same posters were defending the guy who shot and killed a man who pushed him off his wife during an argument over parking, eventhough it was shown the man who was killed backed off right after pushing him down.

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    That is to what I refer. A guy told someone's wife, basically from I gathered, to "**** off" and that was cited as the justification for the shooting - defending his wife.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And that somehow justifies a beating?
    How did the other guy know the man who shoved him wasn't going to continue assaulting him? If you support the "stand your ground" logic, this shouldn't be an issue for the person who defended himself. The prevailing rationale being that if someone puts their hands on you, you're within your rights to incapacitate the assailant because you don't know if they're going to escalate their attack.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Does it matter if you are, or are not, wearing a MAGA®© hat when you call someone a "Bitch"?
    It doesn't, but that doesn't change the fact that wearing the hat is protected speech. How mad does that make, bro?
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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    The MAGA hat wearer committed the assault. Pushing is an assault.
    Hitting someone in the face and drawing blood is attempted murder.
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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You have to remember. These people support Antifa.
    In many states I do not have to back off from an aggressive individual, statement or action.

    I can stand my ground and defend myself to the degree that "I" feel is appropriate.

    If I state "I feel threatened" and I am armed I can draw that weapon without any laws being violated.

    If the person who I deemed threating steps towards me I under the law can shoot them, preferably dead.
    (Shoot first, shoot accurately, shoot to kill and it is your word against nobody.)

    I live in an open carry state, but have a concealed permit anyway.

    Honestly I would rather fight an aggressor, I don't start a fight, I also do not fight to win, when I fight I fight to do harm.

    I fight crazy, Psychopathic as some describe it, because I have no remorse or guilt in doing life altering harm.

    I have been arrested for my actions, but never convicted.

    I'm small in stature, do not start the incident and even though I might be laughing when doing permanent harm, within my rights.

    I have been badly beaten, but I take solace in knowing I ruptured an ear drum and ripped out hair in an amount that it will never grow back.

    It is worth noting that because of my attitude when fighting I have never filed charges.

    One other thing is those days are gone as I have incurable stage 4 cancer and dyeing, which then has me back to shooting an aggressor.

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    Re: Charges dropped for two people accused of assaulting man wearing ‘MAGA’ hat in Portland

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hitting someone in the face and drawing blood is attempted murder.
    Defending your property and punching someone and causing them to bleed, maybe.

    Defending your person or another person from an assault, nope.

    Self defense….

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