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Trump displays altered weather map showing Dorian could have hit Alabama

We've been through good and bad economic times over the last 50 years. Congress has done a lot of things to help and to hinder different presidents and to help and to hinder the American economy. I am not in favor of higher taxes, more regulation, less freedom and more government control. I don't believe those things foster national economic freedom and prosperity.
What I was responding to was YOU calling those that support a social safety net "radical communist Democrats." As I wrote, in 1961 conservatives warned that passing Medicare (which they called socialized medicine) would destroy American freedom. I know of no loss of freedom from Medicare. In fact, it is responsible for much freedom from illness.
 
Trump got no help from Russians. Everybody knows that by now, except for those who still believe the democrat lie invented by Hillary's Russian dossier. What most democrats don't realize is that Hillary was Putin's choice, not Trump. Not only that but in 1984 Ted Kennedy asked his Russian insiders to help defeat Reagan in the 1984 election. Russians are communist, like democrats are socialist. Powerful Russian political officers do not like free Americans being free.
According to U.S. intelligence services, Putin unleashed his government's spy apparatus on Trump's behalf. This is not in dispute. According to our imbedded spy, Putin absolutely favored Trump. You claiming that he was for Hillary is laughable.

Perhaps you have been in a cave since 1990 but Russia is not a communist country. It is still a dictatorship but there is indeed capitalism and billionaire oligarchs. Democrats are not socialists. You repeating that lie in nearly every post does not make it any more true.
 
I am not a fan of Trump but don't let my objectivity distract you from your Raging Anti-Trump Hard-on...

It was a map projection... it was wrong... deal with it.

And where is the proof that he added the additional line or that he knew about it? I have not seen that...
This has been rehashed over this thread. Trump made a claim on Sept 1 using a 5 day old map. He was wrong. Instead of manning up, he doubled down on being wrong and doctored a map to "prove" he was right after all. That would be insane even if he wasn't president -- and it's a crime.
 
This has been rehashed over this thread. Trump made a claim on Sept 1 using a 5 day old map. He was wrong. Instead of manning up, he doubled down on being wrong and doctored a map to "prove" he was right after all. That would be insane even if he wasn't president -- and it's a crime.

I admit he was wrong... I don't care about that because it is stupid and why the left leaning news agencies are jokes... as is Fox when it comes to a Dem Pres... but that is not the issue... the issue is where is the proof that Trump altered the map?
 
I admit he was wrong... I don't care about that because it is stupid and why the left leaning news agencies are jokes... as is Fox when it comes to a Dem Pres... but that is not the issue... the issue is where is the proof that Trump altered the map?

You could be right. Someone did it to bait Trump. :lamo And it worked!
 
These people are carrying candles. Do leftists think that is threatening?

Jesus doesn't like Nazis, Marke.

And, yes, when people are chanting Nazi slogans it is threatening. Chanting anti-semitic slogans is threatening. And guess what happened the next day? One of these Nazis pieces of **** killed someone. So, yes, it's threatening.

What if they had all been black and had been carrying a billboard-sized banner calling for the random execution of white cops? I never heard the democrats condemn that, probably because they did not want to offend their black lives marching constituency.

It's wrong. And the vast majority of Democrats and the vast majority of Black people don't want anyone to be randomly executed. Everyone condemns such a thing. I condemn it as well.

And, now, with this whataboutism you offered, we have discovered the origin of your support for Trump, and apparently, it has nothing to do with Jesus.
 
These people are carrying candles. Do leftists think that is threatening? What if they had all been black and had been carrying a billboard-sized banner calling for the random execution of white cops? I never heard the democrats condemn that, probably because they did not want to offend their black lives marching constituency.

You want Democrats to condemn something that hasn't happened? Document that this occurred and I will condemn it. Otherwise you're just being silly. I don't expect you to condemn anyone for things they haven't done. I try not to be that ridiculous.
 
What offends you? That some people may get their numbers wrong, like Obama's estimate of how many people under the Obamacare mandate would be allowed to keep their old insurance? Or is it really just Trump you hate and you make up reasons to find fault with nearly everything he does because of that hatred?

People who lie to my face and treat me like an idiot offend me. Immature people who can't man up and admit a mistake offend me. Cowards who threaten underlings with firing unless they cover for the boss's boneheaded incompetence offend me. Is that enough, or do you need more?
 
I admit he was wrong... I don't care about that because it is stupid and why the left leaning news agencies are jokes... as is Fox when it comes to a Dem Pres... but that is not the issue... the issue is where is the proof that Trump altered the map?

It doesn't matter if Trump or a staff member did it. The wrongdoing was not the mark, but in presenting it to the public in a dishonest, lying attempt to prove he was in fact correct on Sunday. That was Trump, all him. He can't blame the dishonesty on a staffer. This is where Trump is dragging the country, and the office of the President. We actually have people defending him based on whether it was his hand that made the mark.

Here's an example - let's say you do some tutoring, and you agree to $100/session and you did 10 sessions. If you present a bill for 14 sessions, $1,400, and you know you only did 10, that's fraud. Does it matter who prepared that bill? Does that absolve you somehow of wrongdoing because your wife or a secretary typed it up? Of course not, and if you had a shred of integrity, you wouldn't try to blame them for YOUR fraud. So why are you using that standard to defend Trump?
 
I am not a fan of Trump but don't let my objectivity distract you from your Raging Anti-Trump Hard-on...

It was a map projection... it was wrong... deal with it.

And where is the proof that he added the additional line or that he knew about it? I have not seen that...

That event was planned in advance. Media invited, and the map prepared, with an aide sitting there just to hand it to him. The proof Trump knew about it is Trump planned the event and held it up for the world to see, and it was out of date by 4 days AND altered with a Sharpie. That's not a mistake, that's lying to all of us.

OK, I'll add here that I've presented another possibility, and it's that Trump really is dumb as a box of rocks, proudly ignorant, and lazy, and has surrounded himself with worthless, bootlicking, sycophants. I'm not really sure that's a better defense, but I have to admit it's possible.
 
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Immature people who can't man up and admit a mistake offend me.

When a person does not admit to their mistake, you are "offended"? WTF?

It doesn't matter if Trump or a staff member did it. The wrongdoing was not the mark, but in presenting it to the public in a dishonest, lying attempt to prove he was in fact correct on Sunday. That was Trump, all him. He can't blame the dishonesty on a staffer. This is where Trump is dragging the country, and the office of the President. We actually have people defending him based on whether it was his hand that made the mark.

I am still trying to figure out how what he did was wrong. He says, accurately, that early on that certain models strongly suggested that Alabama might get hit. The weather service comes out and say it is wrong. Trump then comes back with an altered map but there has to be more to it. It looks like he is trying to justify his claim that was accurate that early models showed the Alabama was going to get hit, not that he is trying to say that they are still predicted to get hit. "the National Hurricane Center was reporting at this time that parts of Alabama only had a 5% to 10% chance of getting tropical storm level winds." Trump CLEARLY states that the storm took a different route up Florida instead and that is where this issue starts. People start attacking him about Alabama for some stupid reason.

Then the "the NWS’s parent organization, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), also weighed in, disputing the earlier tweet and siding with the President." further confusing the issue...

A Timeline of Trump'''s Hurricane Dorian, Alabama Controversy | Time

Trump displays altered weather map showing Dorian could have hit Alabama - ABC News

So I know that there are Raging Anti-Trump Hard-ons across the world and Trump certainly did not help himself with being unclear about the sharpie map (which he did not actually say anything about - the sharpie bulge) but it is pretty clear that he is not lying...

Here's an example - let's say you do some tutoring, and you agree to $100/session and you did 10 sessions. If you present a bill for 14 sessions, $1,400, and you know you only did 10, that's fraud. Does it matter who prepared that bill? Does that absolve you somehow of wrongdoing because your wife or a secretary typed it up? Of course not, and if you had a shred of integrity, you wouldn't try to blame them for YOUR fraud.

What a bad analogy...

So why are you using that standard to defend Trump?

I am not "defending Trump"... :roll:

:lol:

Holy Hell... the accusations. I am debating what was said, not who said it.

Trump displays altered weather map showing Dorian could have hit Alabama - ABC News

That event was planned in advance. Media invited, and the map prepared, with an aide sitting there just to hand it to him. The proof Trump knew about it is Trump planned the event and held it up for the world to see, and it was out of date by 4 days AND altered with a Sharpie. That's not a mistake, that's lying to all of us.

But he did not discuss the sharpie bulge at all and the actual map was from the National Hurricane Center (or whatever the name is).

OK, I'll add here that I've presented another possibility, and it's that Trump really is dumb as a box of rocks, proudly ignorant, and lazy, and has surrounded himself with worthless, bootlicking, sycophants. I'm not really sure that's a better defense, but I have to admit it's possible.

I think that is part of the problem...
 
According to U.S. intelligence services, Putin unleashed his government's spy apparatus on Trump's behalf. This is not in dispute. According to our imbedded spy, Putin absolutely favored Trump. You claiming that he was for Hillary is laughable.

You have been misled. Putin is not for Trump and has never been for Trump. Bill Clinton gave half a million dollar speeches in Putin's hometown. Trump never got any money from Russians involved in American politics. Hillary, Podesta, Bill Clinton and other democrats hauled in tens of millions of dollars in DONATIONS from Russians leading up to the 2016 election. Get your facts straight. We are tired of hearing leftists spread leftist lies about American, American politicians, and American views and values.

Perhaps you have been in a cave since 1990 but Russia is not a communist country. It is still a dictatorship but there is indeed capitalism and billionaire oligarchs. Democrats are not socialists. You repeating that lie in nearly every post does not make it any more true.

Putin does not favor God Bless American freedom in his oppressed country. If he had been an American politician he would no doubt have been a leading corrupt democrat socialist.
 
You have been misled. Putin is not for Trump and has never been for Trump. Bill Clinton gave half a million dollar speeches in Putin's hometown. Trump never got any money from Russians involved in American politics. Hillary, Podesta, Bill Clinton and other democrats hauled in tens of millions of dollars in DONATIONS from Russians leading up to the 2016 election. Get your facts straight. We are tired of hearing leftists spread leftist lies about American, American politicians, and American views and values.



Putin does not favor God Bless American freedom in his oppressed country. If he had been an American politician he would no doubt have been a leading corrupt democrat socialist.

Here's Putin saying he wanted 45 to win.YouTube
 
This has been rehashed over this thread. Trump made a claim on Sept 1 using a 5 day old map. He was wrong. Instead of manning up, he doubled down on being wrong and doctored a map to "prove" he was right after all. That would be insane even if he wasn't president -- and it's a crime.

Note to big dummass in Congress: 'Hello, Mr. Schiff-head. You falsely accuse Trump of a crime and move to impeach him. Your hair-on-fire leftist ideology has led you far away from God Bless American patriotism into Goddam American Socialism hell. You can go to hell and take your mob of seditious democrat freaks with you.'
 
Note to big dummass in Congress: 'Hello, Mr. Schiff-head. You falsely accuse Trump of a crime and move to impeach him. Your hair-on-fire leftist ideology has led you far away from God Bless American patriotism into Goddam American Socialism hell. You can go to hell and take your mob of seditious democrat freaks with you.'
Thank you for your anti-liberal rant. I hope it made you feel better because it has nothing to do with the thread.
 
When a person does not admit to their mistake, you are "offended"? WTF?

Sure, it's cowardly, displays a lack of integrity.

I am still trying to figure out how what he did was wrong. He says, accurately, that early on that certain models strongly suggested that Alabama might get hit.

You're already misstating the facts. He said on Sunday: "In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

He wasn't talking about earlier models. On Sunday no one cared what models predicted 5 days prior. Your narrative is the dishonest one pushed by Trump and his lemmings.

The weather service comes out and say it is wrong. Trump then comes back with an altered map but there has to be more to it. It looks like he is trying to justify his claim that was accurate that early models showed the Alabama was going to get hit, not that he is trying to say that they are still predicted to get hit. "the National Hurricane Center was reporting at this time that parts of Alabama only had a 5% to 10% chance of getting tropical storm level winds." Trump CLEARLY states that the storm took a different route up Florida instead and that is where this issue starts. People start attacking him about Alabama for some stupid reason.

You're misstating Trump's claim, moving the goal posts....

Then the "the NWS’s parent organization, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), also weighed in, disputing the earlier tweet and siding with the President." further confusing the issue...

Right, Sec. Ross said he's fire the political staff if they didn't throw the AL NWS under the bus, so the political hacks did that, and put the agency in a turmoil. Thanks Wilbur!!

A Timeline of Trump'''s Hurricane Dorian, Alabama Controversy | Time

Trump displays altered weather map showing Dorian could have hit Alabama - ABC News

So I know that there are Raging Anti-Trump Hard-ons across the world and Trump certainly did not help himself with being unclear about the sharpie map (which he did not actually say anything about - the sharpie bulge) but it is pretty clear that he is not lying...

As I've said it's possible Trump is just dumb as a box of rocks and has worthless sycophants for aides. The other option is lying because a map from Thursday to back up a claim he made Sunday is obviously dishonest, a lie because it was prepared in advance. So take your pick - dumb as a box of rocks and surrounded by sycophants or liar.

What a bad analogy...

OK, why does it matter who marked up the map that was dishonest to begin with (being 4 days out of date)? Trump presented it. The buck stops with him, not that poor aide sitting next to him.

Holy Hell... the accusations. I am debating what was said, not who said it.

Trump displays altered weather map showing Dorian could have hit Alabama - ABC News

But he did not discuss the sharpie bulge at all and the actual map was from the National Hurricane Center (or whatever the name is).

Doesn't matter. It was altered to bring AL into the Hurricane's path, so it looks like he was correct on Sunday. He wasn't, and presenting a map, altered or not, from Thursday to back up a warning on Sunday is either dishonest, or painfully, shockingly stupid and incompetent.

I think that is part of the problem...

Well, it's a possibility but even then the buck should stop at the desk of the guy in charge. If he's that dumb, then please, please, Pres. Trump, next hurricane just go find a golf course for a few days, turn off your phone, and get the hell out of the way of the experts.

Frankly the worst part of the incident was Sec. Ross forcing the NOAA political hacks at the threat of firing to throw their weather people under the bus. It's an abuse of power, and all to protect the fragile ego of an incompetent ignoramus in the WH.
 
Jesus doesn't like Nazis, Marke.

You said the one side was carrying torches. Is that true? I saw no torches. Was the crowd disruptive? Did they don black masks and go around beating people like anti-fa mobs do? How do you know all those candle holders were supposedly encouraging the moron who ran over people with his car? You don't. Your interpretation is a lie, was a lie, and will always be a lie. Blacks may be marching around big cities calling for the execution of cops, but no respectable republican group anywhere is marching around calling for a race war.

What slogan were these people chanting and were these people respected members in good standing of any republican organization or group that you know of? Is Trump to be blamed for every white guy who mows people down with his car just like Obama is to be blamed for every black guy who mows an innocent American down with a gun?

And, yes, when people are chanting Nazi slogans it is threatening. Chanting anti-semitic slogans is threatening. And guess what happened the next day? One of these Nazis pieces of **** killed someone. So, yes, it's threatening.

Black lives mobs chanted "Death to cops" and two cops were executed by a deranged black in NYC the next day. Black lives mobs chanted "Death to cops" in another city and five innocent police officers were gunned down by a black the next day. You are right, hate speech does encourage immoral and illegal violence.



It's wrong. And the vast majority of Democrats and the vast majority of Black people don't want anyone to be randomly executed. Everyone condemns such a thing. I condemn it as well.

And, now, with this whataboutism you offered, we have discovered the origin of your support for Trump, and apparently, it has nothing to do with Jesus.
 
You want Democrats to condemn something that hasn't happened? Document that this occurred and I will condemn it. Otherwise you're just being silly. I don't expect you to condemn anyone for things they haven't done. I try not to be that ridiculous.

Don't condemn the jackasses for the cops they have not killed, condemn the buffoons for the cops they did kill.
 
People who lie to my face and treat me like an idiot offend me. Immature people who can't man up and admit a mistake offend me. Cowards who threaten underlings with firing unless they cover for the boss's boneheaded incompetence offend me. Is that enough, or do you need more?

I got fired from a job once for supporting the republican in a governors race. At least the democrat moron lost the election, but I was still out of a job. No problem, however, because the Lord continued to take care of me in spite of everything the devil's crowd could throw at me.
 
Ok then :2wave: Sorry that I "offended" you...

You don't offend me, but your claim was wrong, you misstated the controversy. The 'controversy' started when Trump included AL in the list of states that were likely to get hit much harder than expected by the hurricane, then a Cat 5. When he tweeted that, there was a 0% chance AL would see hurricane force winds. The AL NWS immediately corrected their thin skinned boss, and we were off to a week of BS of Trump trying to cover his boneheaded error.
 
Here's Putin saying he wanted 45 to win.YouTube

Putin said he liked Trump for working to bring relations back to normal. I like Trump for that also. What Putin did not say is that he hates Trump for opening up American oil drilling, driving gas prices down and hurting the Russian economy, among other things Putin does not like about Trump.
 
I got fired from a job once for supporting the republican in a governors race. At least the democrat moron lost the election, but I was still out of a job. No problem, however, because the Lord continued to take care of me in spite of everything the devil's crowd could throw at me.

I'm glad it turned out OK, but what was your point? Do you approve of cowards who threaten underlings' jobs unless they dishonestly cover for their boss's incompetence, and mistakes the boss made as a result of their incompetence? That's what men of integrity should do?
 
You said the one side was carrying torches. Is that true? I saw no torches.

You can see it in the first 16 seconds. It's the tikki torches you can buy at Best Buy or Wal-Mart for your backyard or pool.

Was the crowd disruptive?

Yes, they were disruptive the next day. The next day one of the nazis murdered someone.

Did they don black masks

Nope, and I don't necessarily think that was a wise strategy considering their hateful ideology.

and go around beating people like anti-fa mobs do?

I don't agree with antifa tactics, and I'm not going to defend them. Why are you defending the Nazis?

How do you know all those candle holders were supposedly encouraging the moron who ran over people with his car? You don't.

I don't know for sure. Is it your opinion that when James Fields murdered Heather Heyer he was not motivated by his political ideology, and he did not share this political ideology with the nazis he marched with?

Your interpretation is a lie, was a lie, and will always be a lie.

Out of curiosity which aspect of my interpretation do you consider to be a lie? That there were Nazis there? That Nazi ideology motivated James Fields to murder Heather Heyer? Or, that Trump did not more pro-actively discourage white supremacy and Nazis in general before they marched in Charlottesville and murdered Heather Heyer? Or, that Trump did not more forcefully condemn the Nazis and white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville?

Blacks may be marching around big cities calling for the execution of cops, but no respectable republican group anywhere is marching around calling for a race war.

What are you referring to exactly? I'm personally unaware of any Black people calling for the execution of cops or for race wars. This is not something that happens. I'm sure, maybe, out of all of the hundreds of thousands of protestors you could probably find a handful with some sort of banner that called for cops to be executed.

What slogan were these people chanting and were these people respected members in good standing of any republican organization or group that you know of? Is Trump to be blamed for every white guy who mows people down with his car just like Obama is to be blamed for every black guy who mows an innocent American down with a gun?

Yes, I think Trump can be partly blamed for the increase in racist and extremist attacks by right-wing extremists and white supremacists.

Let me give an example. Recently, Trump tweeted the following: So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly..........and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

There is no other way to describe these comments. What Trump tweeted was racist, mean-spirited, and bigoted. His comments encouraged white supremacists and nazis.
 
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