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1 dead, several wounded in shootings in Odessa, Texas

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Josie said:
Gunman identified as Seth Ator. Possibly a convicted felon who shouldn't have had firearms.
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Guess we will never know how he got his gun, because registration is threatening to The Precious.


Maybe he owned it before he was a felon. But we couldn’t know he had it to confiscate it because it threatens The Precious.
 
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Threegoofs said:
There are certainly lot numbers on liquids. ???
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Someone has an unmarked bottle full of tussinex -=how are you going to identify it>
 
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Threegoofs said:
Guess we will never know how he got his gun, because registration is threatening to The Precious.


Maybe he owned it before he was a felon. But we couldn’t know he had it to confiscate it because it threatens The Precious.
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when someone calls a firearm the precious I immediately realize we are dealing with someone whose posts cannot be taken seriously on this issue
 
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TurtleDude said:
There has never been a murder with an assault rifle that was legally owned by a private citizen in US history
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That is easy to fix - simply change the definition of "assault rifle" and add a grandfather clause. ;)
 
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TurtleDude said:
There has never been a murder with an assault rifle that was legally owned by a private citizen in US history
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You mean ‘automatic weapon’.

And once again, I’ll point out how this argument shows how incredibly effective gun control is for automatic weapons in the US.

Let’s do more of it!
 
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Threegoofs said:
Stolen drugs would be very quickly noted. Illegally sold pills would eventually get noticed, and heavy penalties result.

And with guns? Someone steals guns- not necessarily traceable. Someone illegally sells guns? Once they do the deal in a parking lot- it’s done and no one knows.

You have some dude who goes to Indiana and buys dozens of guns a week and sells them in Chicago...registration will go a long way to stop that.
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Absolutely untrue. I have opioids in my medicine cabinets that are 20 yrs old. Saved for ''future' emergencies that happily are not common.

People dont check their medicines or count their pills every day, that's ridiculous.

And again, you didnt address the actual identification of the pills...which was the correlation to registration.

Criminals also dont care a bit about registration. Most cannot legally own or acquire them anyway and then get rid of them after the crime. Please explain how gun registration prevents gun violence?
 
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Threegoofs said:
Law abiding drivers pay insurance.

Not fair! [emoji849]
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What crimes are driver's held accountable for?

For gun injuries, *health insurance* pays and we all pay into that. So gun owners should pay twice?
 
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Threegoofs said:
You mean ‘automatic weapon’.

And once again, I’ll point out how this argument shows how incredibly effective gun control is for automatic weapons in the US.

Let’s do more of it!
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No I said assault rifle. an assault rifle is an automatic weapon and pretending that you can do to the 40-75 million semi auto rifles in circulation what was done to rifles that had not even been invented and were subject to a near ban before they hit the market, is stupid

and assault rifles are a damning argument against you gun banners. No assault rifle was ever used for a murder in the USA and the Democrats still banned them from being sold if they were made after May 19, 1986. That proves that crime control is not what motivates Democrat gun laws.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Now you’re just being silly.
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I spent a fair amount of time working with DEA "diversion" agents. how are you gong to trace once legal narcotics that are sold by those who were prescribed them?
 
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Tlrmln said:
To defend yourself?

How many of the people who got shot were actually carrying?
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How many people who were there and carrying did nothing? You know, good guys with guns?
 
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Lursa said:
What reason did I give for carrying beyond personal protection?

Were any of the dead/shot people carrying?

And are you endorsing the idea that people carrying, handguns no less, should shoot at moving vehicles?

You are intentionally completely avoiding the actual points made in my post and inventing your own.
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No, I'm not endorsing that. Clearly I call the contention by apsdt asinine, as he indicated shooters like that were a reason he carries. I'm pointing out the absurdity of it.
 
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Lursa said:
Dont remember. May I ask your point?

Or please clarify for me: do you endorse any further gun control restrictions?
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Ah, so you don't know of any, but you asserted that I actually do.

Cite the restrictions you have in mind and I'll let you know.
 
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Lursa said:
Absolutely untrue. I have opioids in my medicine cabinets that are 20 yrs old. Saved for ''future' emergencies that happily are not common.

People dont check their medicines or count their pills every day, that's ridiculous.

And again, you didnt address the actual identification of the pills...which was the correlation to registration.

Criminals also dont care a bit about registration. Most cannot legally own or acquire them anyway and then get rid of them after the crime. Please explain how gun registration prevents gun violence?
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Pharmacies do. Once it gets released, it’s not controlled.

But the issue with narcotics is moving large quantities, not individual rx’s.

But I guess when you don’t have great counter arguments to gun registration, pretending it’s a good comparison makes sense.
 
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TurtleDude said:
No I said assault rifle. an assault rifle is an automatic weapon and pretending that you can do to the 40-75 million semi auto rifles in circulation what was done to rifles that had not even been invented and were subject to a near ban before they hit the market, is stupid

and assault rifles are a damning argument against you gun banners. No assault rifle was ever used for a murder in the USA and the Democrats still banned them from being sold if they were made after May 19, 1986. That proves that crime control is not what motivates Democrat gun laws.
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Again... you’re talking about automatic weapons, which are a fantastic example of the benefit of strong gun regulation
 
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TurtleDude said:
There has never been a murder with an assault rifle that was legally owned by a private citizen in US history
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I know that, you know that, and ttwtt78640 knows that, but we are apparently in the minority. It is unfortunate when irrationality has such a large hold on so many people.
 
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TurtleDude said:
He doesn't even believe what he is posting.
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I hope that is the case with most of the goofy stuff that is posted online these days. Unfortunately, what really scares me is that some people do believe the nutty stuff that they spout.
 
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hiccup!
 
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Crossfire said:
I know that, you know that, and ttwtt78640 knows that, but we are apparently in the minority. It is unfortunate when irrationality has such a large hold on so many people.
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As I have noted for years, the "INFORMATION" that the anti gun left has is this

1) Democrats want gun control to pretend they are doing something about crime

2) gun owners then vote against Democrats

3) that makes us the "enemy" to Democrat activists and that alone is what motivates their anti gun desires
 
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Threegoofs said:
Again... you’re talking about automatic weapons, which are a fantastic example of the benefit of strong gun regulation
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Why did dems ban them if that "regulation" worked so well?
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Ah, so you don't know of any, but you asserted that I actually do.

Cite the restrictions you have in mind and I'll let you know.
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The overall sarcasm in your early posts in the thread.

Hence the reason for no specifics.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Pharmacies do. Once it gets released, it’s not controlled.

But the issue with narcotics is moving large quantities, not individual rx’s.

But I guess when you don’t have great counter arguments to gun registration, pretending it’s a good comparison makes sense.
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Sorry, you're arguments still fail, you didnt add anything. Buying guns, 'over the counter' do indeed get background check verification.

Once pill or gun owners get their items home...they can still be stolen and the identification lost.

Please try something else.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Again... you’re talking about automatic weapons, which are a fantastic example of the benefit of strong gun regulation
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I know. It's a great example of gun control that works
 
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Lursa said:
These conversations are about firearms commonly owned in America, not grenades and machine guns.

So can you tell me why you...or our society...should value the lives of the law-abiding who keep/carry firearms to protect self and family over the other lives?

No one is better able to assess their risks, their families' risks, than each individual. No strangers can do that and they wont pay anyone else's consequences.

The laws would punish the law-abiding, putting us at a disadvantage...since the laws would not actually remove the guns from criminal hands.

Prohibition doesnt work...it creates more crime and more violence.
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It's difficult for something to be commonly owned when its sale is banned by law, for example - guns prohibited by the assault weapons ban before the ban was lifted. The rest of your post is equally nonsensical. Individuals don't "assess their risks" for the purpose of many dangers that arise in society, which is why we have laws that restrict vehicle driving, pedestrian walking, airplane piloting, the marketing of certain poisons, asbestos use, etc. This is aside from the mental or emotional disability that would cause someone to believe he needs an assault weapon to head off risks he perceives to his personal safety. There's no evidence whatsoever that prohibiting assault weapons leads to more crime and violence or that "it doesn't work". In other Western democracies such bans seem to work exceedingly well. Our own sickening rise in mass shootings began with the legalization of the sale of these needless weapons.
 
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Lursa said:
I have no idea.

What advantage does it have?

If your car gets stolen, THEN you can call the police and give them identifying information. Why do they need it before that?
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Oh IDK. Let’s say, you run down pedestrians; or, you just committed a murder and took off in your car; and maybe somebody took down your plate number. I think the police and the public would like to be able to track you down.

I guess you’d like to make that harder to do?
 
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