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Markets rally as China calls for calm in trade war - as it happened

What economic problems? Name one. Oh, this will be like the collusion hoax where you could never come up with any proof of collusion. Right now, the economy is fine and farmers are with Trump in the polls with 67% approval on his handling the China tariffs.

Even Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer gets it...

"The New York senator, who has largely cheered the president's efforts to crack down on what officials from both major parties call Chinese trade abuses, backed Trump again on Sunday. In a tweet, he urged the president to "hang tough on China."

"Strength is the only way to win with China," said Schumer.


Schumer urges Trump to hang tough after China trade tariff threat

Trump shows enormous strength on behalf of this country, and the resistance tears him down.
Party before country types tend to do that when they are feeling threatened.
 
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Trump is the greatest flip-flopper ever in politics.

How quickly they forget.

I don't forget that ALL presidents flip-flop.

You probably do though.
 
Trix is perfectly fine with Americans being in pain so Trump can win his trade war.

Duh.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
Think about what will happen if we keep sending 500 billion dollars a year to China. China gets stronger and we get weaker. This is a war that we must win or eventually China will dominate the US. Maybe you are OK with that. I’m not. Wars are painful sometimes.
 
Think about what will happen if we keep sending 500 billion dollars a year to China. China gets stronger and we get weaker. This is a war that we must win or eventually China will dominate the US. Maybe you are OK with that. I’m not. Wars are painful sometimes.

Ironic that the above poster would accuse me of wanting to see Americans in pain...

Also, while farmers are in pain, (a problem Trump is attempting to remedy with a deal where Japan will buy their surplus corn), nobody ever seems to mention US steel workers who are in enormous pain as a result of China shenanigans.
 
Think about what will happen if we keep sending 500 billion dollars a year to China. China gets stronger and we get weaker. This is a war that we must win or eventually China will dominate the US. Maybe you are OK with that. I’m not. Wars are painful sometimes.

What part of this trade war has stopped those 500 billion dollars from going to China? How will any future trade deal achieve this? What is the game plan here?
 
Even Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer gets it...

"The New York senator, who has largely cheered the president's efforts to crack down on what officials from both major parties call Chinese trade abuses, backed Trump again on Sunday. In a tweet, he urged the president to "hang tough on China."

"Strength is the only way to win with China," said Schumer.


Schumer urges Trump to hang tough after China trade tariff threat

Trump shows enormous strength on behalf of this country, and the resistance tears him down.
Party before country types tend to do that when they are feeling threatened.

A Tweet from early May. And Tweets, public comments, and arguments on the Senate floor calling for tariffs and toughness on China. Schumer has been pushing Chinese tariffs since before Trump was screwing porn stars behind his wife's back.

I didn't know you were a fan of Schumer.
 
I don't forget that ALL presidents flip-flop.

You probably do though.

All people lie. Politicians lie more than most people. Trump lies more than most politicians.

See, just because everyone does something, doesn't mean they're ALL the same.
 
Even Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer gets it...

"The New York senator, who has largely cheered the president's efforts to crack down on what officials from both major parties call Chinese trade abuses, backed Trump again on Sunday. In a tweet, he urged the president to "hang tough on China."

"Strength is the only way to win with China," said Schumer.


Schumer urges Trump to hang tough after China trade tariff threat

Trump shows enormous strength on behalf of this country, and the resistance tears him down.
Party before country types tend to do that when they are feeling threatened.

A Tweet from early May. And Tweets, public comments, and arguments on the Senate floor calling for tariffs and toughness on China. Schumer has been pushing Chinese tariffs since before Trump was screwing porn stars behind his wife's back.

I didn't know you were a fan of Schumer.

Nevermind the failure to recognize the difference between "strength" wielded idiotically by a person who knows so little about economics that they think national trade posture can be assessed by looking at trade relations with one country in isolation vs. "strength" wielded in a calculated fashion by someone who actually has a clue.

And nevermind everything else about the person you responded to.
 
I don't forget that ALL presidents flip-flop.

You probably do though.

All people lie. Politicians lie more than most people. Trump lies more than most politicians.

See, just because everyone does something, doesn't mean they're ALL the same.

It's just another atrociously dishonest "both sides" statement. Her move - as anyone who defends Trump must use - is to try to keep the focus on the category of thing done by "both sides" so as to hide from the discussion the scale and severity of each instance of its doing.
 
No, I am not thinking wrong. Unless you can prove that Recession belongs on the three "R's" list of faux outrage, yours is simply wishful thinking....
Have an IRA? If so, check the stats on its performance in the last 23 months or so.
 
Think about what will happen if we keep sending 500 billion dollars a year to China. China gets stronger and we get weaker. This is a war that we must win or eventually China will dominate the US. Maybe you are OK with that. I’m not. Wars are painful sometimes.

Especially if they're fought stupidly.

The things we make, through agriculture and manufacturing account for just 20% of the US GDP. It's 47% of China's. We can argue about what the optimal levels should be, and how much unfair trade practices are damaging the US economy, but we didn't have a trade deficit with them, we'd be doing something wrong. We have a service economy.

Isn't it common sense to attack your enemy's weakpoint? We put a tariff on a good, they put one right back, but we want their goods more than they want ours. We can take more economic damage, but why should pyrrhic victory be the aim from the outset?

China's theft of intellectual property does more damage to the US economy than the trade imbalance. Thing is, it's rather impractical to prevent most intellectual property theft. We might not be able to make much progress on piracy, but they have a massive conduit for stealing our trade secrets that we can do something about.

Undercut the theft of our intellectual property by undercutting their intellect. They want our higher education way more than we want their's.
English is compulsory for Chinese university students. Most they abroad are sent here. There are 363,000 studying in the US, and China actively encourages them to steal trade secrets. Only 11,000 US students are studying in China.

Levy a 100% fee on the tuition of Chinese students in the US. This will reduce demand on US education, lower tuitions, and make it easier for US students to be accepted, especially in STEM. It will put a greater burden on Chinese higher education. We could even use the money to subsidize the tuition of low income American students.

Optionally, we could put the money in a fund, that after graduation, was payed back to the Chinese student over a long period of time. Forfeiting the money to subsidize American education if they left the U.S. Only the smartest and richest Chinese students would be able to attend school here, and the more we could convince to stay, the more resources China would have wasted in raising them.

But Trump wouldn't do any of that, because he wants to play to his base, who imagines an economy of old when the largest sector of our economy was manufacturing. It's not anymore. The world has moved on. So instead of putting pressure on just the rich in China, he's just gonna spread the pain around so that everyone in both countries feels it.
 
Sorry buddy, but the economic problems we're having right now go much deeper than the trade war, and if you think Trump is smart enough to stop this stupidity you're giving him way too much credit.

It's all relative. To many Trump supporters, he really seems like a genius.

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I think it's fairly safe to say that La Resitance de Trump can remove Recession from their list of faux outrage.
Dow ^ 360, Nas ^125

Russia, Racism, /Recession

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Markets rally as China calls for calm in trade war - as it happened | Business | The Guardian

This seems like someone jumping on a poll that puts Trump on a positive end. It can flip on a dime. And many of us across the country are calling for "calm" over the daily craziness that has taken over in the Oval office, it's not just China. :lol:
 
Trix is perfectly fine with Americans being in pain so Trump can win his trade war.

Duh.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.

I think there's a significant number of Americans that would rather destroy the country, than see brown skinned people in the majority. And they know that in a few decades brown skinned people will be in the majority.

This doesn't bode well for America's future, not their children's future. In Canada that's called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Same in the USA?
 
So how did you prove that what I quoted from the same poll is false? You do realize I copied and pasted that statement from Quinnipiac, don't you?

:coffeepap

You should have posted the rest.

When asked to rate the state of the nation's economy, 61 percent of voters say that it is excellent or good, while 37 percent say that it is not so good or poor.

Snow said these numbers, while still clearly positive on the economy, are the lowest excellent/good economy numbers found by the poll since April 2018. Voters also say that President Trump's policies are hurting the nation's economy at 41 percent, while 37 percent say that they are helping, and 20 percent say that his policies make no difference.

“As trade tensions with China dominate the headlines, confidence in the economy is slipping,” Snow said.

“The number of people who think the economy is getting worse rose by double digits since June. And roughly four in ten voters blame the President's policies, saying they are hurting the economy, the highest level since Trump took office.”
 
This seems like someone jumping on a poll that puts Trump on a positive end. It can flip on a dime. And many of us across the country are calling for "calm" over the daily craziness that has taken over in the Oval office, it's not just China. :lol:

It's crystal clear after reading the replies on this thread, that those who oppose this president don't want to see this trade deal succeed.

Pardon me for celebrating some good news in that China appears to have had enough tariff punishment and has offered an olive branch.
 
It's crystal clear after reading the replies on this thread, that those who oppose this president don't want to see this trade deal succeed.

Pardon me for celebrating some good news in that China appears to have had enough tariff punishment and has offered an olive branch.

It has zero to do with hoping the deal will fail. It has to do with the fact that over and over again there is this "yayyy Trump is winning" which then flops. Look at the NK deal with KJU. How'd that work out?

When it happens it happens.
 
It's crystal clear after reading the replies on this thread, that those who oppose this president don't want to see this trade deal succeed.

Pardon me for celebrating some good news in that China appears to have had enough tariff punishment and has offered an olive branch.

What trade deal?
 
I think there's a significant number of Americans that would rather destroy the country, than see brown skinned people in the majority. And they know that in a few decades brown skinned people will be in the majority.

This doesn't bode well for America's future, not their children's future. In Canada that's called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Same in the USA?
Careful with this, or trix will get mad that you're bad mouthing the white folks!

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
Why is it the folks who say they do not wish for a recession pay so much attention when the stock market tanks? When the market rallies, they are either no where to be seen or continue to predict doom and gloom?
 
Sorry buddy, but the economic problems we're having right now go much deeper than the trade war, and if you think Trump is smart enough to stop this stupidity you're giving him way too much credit.

Yeah. But you're for the Green New Deal which'll bolster the economy.:lamo
 
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