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G-7 summit: Trump strikes 'billion-dollar' trade deal with Japan

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A deal is all but sealed with Japan.

President Donald Trump Opens a New Window. confirming, "it’s a very big transaction and we’ve agreed in principle," while speaking beside Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in France after a meeting at the G-7 summit Opens a New Window. .

Trump said the prime minister agreed to purchase some of U.S. farmers’ corn, blaming China Opens a New Window. for the excess product on farmers' hands.

“This is a tremendous deal for the United States, really a tremendous deal for our farmers and agriculture,” along with e-commerce, per the president.

More #winning for our country! On top of the Japanese deal and China now willing to come to the table for more trade talks, President Trump has made huge trade deals with Germany and GB.

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"We have excess corn in various parts of our country with our farmers because China did not do what they said they were going to do. And Prime Minister @AbeShinzo, on behalf of Japan, they're going to be buying all of that corn." — President

G-7 summit: Trump strikes '''billion-dollar''' trade deal with Japan | Fox Business
 
First, I know Merkel tried to explain this to Trump at least 11 times that you can't make trade deals with Germany, only the EU, but I might as well try to point this out to you again so that maybe it'll stick.

Second, we already had a trade deal with Japan through the TPP, which Trump torpedoed, so what is so different about this one? Be specific. All we heard was high-pitched screeching when essentially the same deal was made with Japan under Obama, but somehow this is supposed to be totally different.

Trump and Abe herald US-Japan deal in shadow of China trade war | World news | The Guardian
The US and Japan agreed in principle on Sunday to core elements of a trade deal that Donald Trump and Shinzo Abe said they hoped to sign in New York next month.
White House insists Trump not having second thoughts on China trade war

The agreement would cool a trade dispute between the two allies as a trade war between the US and China escalates. US trade representative Robert Lighthizer said the deal covered agriculture, industrial tariffs and digital trade. Auto tariffs would remain unchanged.

Trump said Japan had agreed to buy excess US corn that is burdening farmers as a result of the tariff dispute between Washington and Beijing. Abe referred to a potential purchase of the corn and said it would be handled by the private sector.

“It’s a very big transaction, and we’ve agreed in principle. It’s billions and billions of dollars. Tremendous for the farmers,” Trump told reporters during a joint announcement with Abe at the G7 meeting in France.

It’s a very big transaction, and we’ve agreed in principle. It’s billions and billions of dollars
Donald Trump
Trump is eager to help out farmers who have been hurt by the trade dispute with China, particularly in political swing states that he needs to support him in his bid for re-election in 2020.

The Japanese leader said more work remained, but expressed optimism that it would be finished by the time of the United Nations General Assembly next month.

“We still have some remaining work that has to be done at the working level, namely finalizing the wording of the trade agreement and also finalizing the content of the agreement itself,” he said, through an interpreter.

“But we would like to make sure that our teams … accelerate the remaining work for us to achieve this goal of realizing the signing of the agreement on the margins of the UN General Assembly at the end of September.”

Lighthizer noted that Japan imports about $14bn worth of US agricultural products and said the agreement would open up markets to more than $7bn of such products. He said beef, pork, wheat, dairy products, wine and ethanol would benefit.

“It will lead to substantial reductions in tariffs and non-tariff barriers across the board,” he said. He did not go into detail about the industrial and e-commerce aspects of the deal.

Trump, who this week said he had ordered US companies to start looking for alternatives to doing business in China, seemed to dismiss Abe’s emphasis that the Japanese private sector would handle the purchases of excess US corn.

“The Japanese private sector listens to the Japanese public sector very strongly … It’s a little different than it is in our country perhaps,” Trump said.


Abe seemed to want to hedge against Trump’s suggestion that the corn purchases were a done deal, but he said insect pests had affected some agricultural products in Japan, creating a need to buy certain products.


“We believe that there is a need for us to implement emergency support measures for the Japanese private sector to have the early purchase of the American corn,” he said. “So that’s why, against such backdrop, I do think that there is a possibility for us to cooperate to address this issue.“

So in summary:

- The deal isn't signed until next month
- It mostly only reduces the new tariffs that Trump put on Japan arbitrarily, so a partial reduction of the damage he did
- Trump is hoping Japan will buy a lot of corn because many of his voters are suffering under his trade policies
- Abe repeated over and over that there is no agreement for Japan to buy corn, just that it's an option in the free market and someone might
- Trump thinks the Japanese government will now tell private Japanese companies to buy US corn even though Abe says they won't.


I guess I'm missing the groundbreaking deal making in here. Where's the beef?
 
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First, I know Merkel tried to explain this to Trump at least 11 times that you can't make trade deals with Germany, only the EU, but I might as well try to point this out to you again so that maybe it'll stick.

Second, we already had a trade deal with Japan through the TPP, which Trump torpedoed, so what is so different about this one? Be specific. All we heard was high-pitched screeching when essentially the same deal was made with Japan under Obama, but somehow this is supposed to be totally different.

Hillary Clinton would have torpedoed TPP as well just FYI.
 
First, I know Merkel tried to explain this to Trump at least 11 times that you can't make trade deals with Germany, only the EU, but I might as well try to point this out to you again so that maybe it'll stick.

Second, we already had a trade deal with Japan through the TPP, which Trump torpedoed, so what is so different about this one? Be specific. All we heard was high-pitched screeching when essentially the same deal was made with Japan under Obama, but somehow this is supposed to be totally different.



So in summary:

- The deal isn't signed until next month
- It mostly only reduces the new tariffs that Trump put on Japan arbitrarily, so a partial reduction of the damage he did
- Trump is hoping Japan will buy a lot of corn because many of his voters are suffering under his trade policies
- Abe repeated over and over that there is no agreement for Japan to buy corn, just that it's an option in the free market and someone might
- Trump thinks the Japanese government will now tell private Japanese companies to buy US corn even though Abe says they won't.


I guess I'm missing the groundbreaking deal making in here. Where's the beef?

Why don't you tell Abe he made a bad deal with Trump? Japan calls the deal with the US "very valuable"....

eta: Merkel, Trump talk trade. I'm just reporting the news...
 
Why don't you tell Abe he made a bad deal with Trump? Japan calls the deal with the US "very valuable"....

Oh wow, I didn't realize we're judging trade deals now by the anecdotal statements of foreign powers. I laid out all of the facts and asked you what is so amazing about this deal and you can't provide one single thing. If signed, it'll reduce SOME of the tariffs Trump imposed, and it paves the way for Japan MAYBE deciding to buy US corn, which is only necessary because of Trump's tariffs decimating American farmers.

Quantify for us what added-value is in this deal over just undoing some of what Trump did.

Hillary Clinton would have torpedoed TPP as well just FYI.

Reply #2 and the cultists have already tried to make this about Hillary. At least you're consistent. Immature and unable to string together basic arguments of your own, but consistent.
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize we're judging trade deals now by the anecdotal statements of foreign powers. I laid out all of the facts and asked you what is so amazing about this deal and you can't provide one single thing.

Sure, I have...It's laid out in the O/P, complete with source which explains the trade deal in full.

You just are too stubborn to admit that this will be both a great deal for US and also for Japan.
I'm not here to convince people who don't want to see Trump succeed, and would rather see our country fail at trade talks...
Move on if you can't handle the good news between our country and Japan.
 
Hillary Clinton would have torpedoed TPP as well just FYI.

And it would have been a mistake for her to do so. "But Clinton" argument are weak to begin with, and yours was even weaker than usual.
 
Sure, I have...It's laid out in the O/P, complete with source which explains the trade deal in full.

You just are too stubborn to admit that this will be both a great deal for US and also for Japan.
I'm not here to convince people who don't want to see Trump succeed, and would rather see our country fail at trade talks...
Move on if you can't handle the good news between our country and Japan.

Literally the only detail about the deal you listed in the OP was about selling lots of corn, which as was pointed out to you, this deal does not do, and the only reason it would be necessary is because Trump ****ed them in the first place. Then you made up some completely fictitious "deal with Germany" that can't exist because you can not make deals with Germany. It's like you lie, lie, lie and lie then when someone points out your lies with sourced and well explained facts, you just ignore it altogether.

So what was that secret trade deal with Germany, and what SPECIFICALLY in this deal benefits America past undoing what Trump did?
 
Why don't you tell Abe he made a bad deal with Trump? Japan calls the deal with the US "very valuable"....

eta: Merkel, Trump talk trade. I'm just reporting the news...

Most countries think a deal where they don't give up anything and get something is valuable. The question is not whether it is valuable to Japan, but to the US.
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize we're judging trade deals now by the anecdotal statements of foreign powers. I laid out all of the facts and asked you what is so amazing about this deal and you can't provide one single thing. If signed, it'll reduce SOME of the tariffs Trump imposed, and it paves the way for Japan MAYBE deciding to buy US corn, which is only necessary because of Trump's tariffs decimating American farmers.

Quantify for us what added-value is in this deal over just undoing some of what Trump did.



Reply #2 and the cultists have already tried to make this about Hillary. At least you're consistent. Immature and unable to string together basic arguments of your own, but consistent.

Thank, I appreciate the compliment.
 
Hillary Clinton would have torpedoed TPP as well just FYI.

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Most countries think a deal where they don't give up anything and get something is valuable. The question is not whether it is valuable to Japan, but to the US.

True, but is there a reason you believe it wouldn't be valuable to our country?
Japan made a lot of concessions from what I've read, warming a prior cool agreement.

The agreement was reached after marathon talks between Japan’s Economy Minister Toshimitsu Motegi and US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer in Washington last week.

Lighthizer said the deal, which covered agriculture, industrial tariffs and digital trade, would open up Japanese markets to US goods and lead to a substantial reduction in tariffs on such items as beef.
Japan imports about $14 billion worth of US agricultural products, and the agreement will open up markets to over $7 billion of such products, Lighthizer said, adding that beef, pork, wheat, dairy products, wine and ethanol would benefit.

Plus, they will be buying the EXCESS corn that is burdening our farmers.

#Winning

Japan calls US trade deal ‘very valuable,’ denies it gave Trump too much
 
Sure, I have...It's laid out in the O/P, complete with source which explains the trade deal in full.

You just are too stubborn to admit that this will be both a great deal for US and also for Japan.
I'm not here to convince people who don't want to see Trump succeed, and would rather see our country fail at trade talks...
Move on if you can't handle the good news between our country and Japan.

Trump habitually touts deals before they're done. Remember how he solved the nuclear threat from NK in just one brief summit meeting.
 
Trump habitually touts deals before they're done. Remember how he solved the nuclear threat from NK in just one brief summit meeting.

You are hoping for this?
Japan calls the deal between both countries, "valuable".
 
You are hoping for this?
Japan calls the deal between both countries, "valuable".

I'm just observing that Trump has a tendency to jump the gun on things. It's true. Has nothing to do with my hopes.
 
Why don't you tell Abe he made a bad deal with Trump? Japan calls the deal with the US "very valuable"....

eta: Merkel, Trump talk trade. I'm just reporting the news...

Merkel is a traitor to Germany, and Europe. She's a worthless old bag.
 
Hillary Clinton would have torpedoed TPP as well just FYI.

Hillary would have made some cosmetic changes to TPP, would have claimed to have thus addressed the issues which were discussed during the primaries, and then would have continued on with it.
 
“This is a tremendous deal for the United States, really a tremendous deal for our farmers and agriculture,” along with e-commerce, per the president.

More #winning for our country! On top of the Japanese deal and China now willing to come to the table for more trade talks, President Trump has made huge trade deals with Germany and GB.

The White House@WhiteHouse
"We have excess corn in various parts of our country with our farmers because China did not do what they said they were going to do. And Prime Minister @AbeShinzo, on behalf of Japan, they're going to be buying all of that corn." — President

G-7 summit: Trump strikes '''billion-dollar''' trade deal with Japan | Fox Business

U.S. - Japan
The United States had agreed a comprehensive trade agreement with Japan as part of the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership, but Trump withdrew from that pact on his third day in office. As a result, U.S. exporters have been losing sales in Japan to the remaining TPP nations and the EU, which has a separate trade pact.

American companies and agriculture exporters are at a clear disadvantage to their Asia-Pacific and European counterparts in the absence of a comprehensive trade deal with Japan," the Chamber said in a statement.

Trump was so busy trying to attack anything Obama created, until he could not think anything through, except his bigoted race bias ignorance.... and American Farmers and Others within our Business and Citizen sectors continue to pay for such "ignorance"!!!


Trump would need to know more about GEO Political Intricacies, not just spinning what he thinks,... these intricacies are based on facts, researched documentations, legal positions, and political and diplomatic elements, among much else that is involved.

President Obama utilize the agencies, departments and divisions with trained and skilled professional who engaged decades of material based on the detailed information they had access to in developing the 'intricate elements of the Trans Pacific Partnership. Trump sc-ewed that up, and it has cost the U.S. on an ongoing and basis. Not just with Japan but with other members of the 12 nation pact, that were and all still are a part of the Trans Pacific Partnership, except the U.S.

Right wing media won't tell those details and truths to its listeners!!!
 
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Trump was so busy trying to attack anything Obama created, until he could not think anything through, except his bigoted race bias ignorance.... and American Farmers and Others within our Business and Citizen sectors continue to pay for such "ignorance"!!!

One things Japan is not going to do, is they are not going to import the chemical injected meats and GMO modified products be it agriculture or meat. They may buy the corn for the sake of creating Ethanol, but they likely are not so driven to buy it for general citizen consumption as primary food usages.

Trump would need to know more about GEO Political Intricacies... something he does not know.
President Obama utilize the agencies, departments and divisions with trained and skilled professional who engaged decades of material based on the detailed information they had access to in developing the 'intricate elements of the Trans Pacific Partnership. Trump sc-ewed that up, and it has cost the U.S. on an ongoing and basis. Not just with Japan but with other members of the 12 nation pact, that were and all still are a part of the Trans Pacific Partnership, except the U.S.

Right wing media won't tell those details and truths to its listeners!!!

They don't have to. The TPP was doomed to fail because it left too many Americans behind....
Left wing media won't tell those details and truths to their listeners, not that they care.
 
Hillary would have made some cosmetic changes to TPP, would have claimed to have thus addressed the issues which were discussed during the primaries, and then would have continued on with it.

You don't know that!

What we do know is that ....
Hillary opposed TPP

“But based on what I know so far, I can’t support this agreement,” she wrote. “The bar here is very high and, based on what I have seen, I don’t believe this agreement has met it.”
 
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Merkel is a traitor to Germany, and Europe. She's a worthless old bag.

She prides herself as an elitist, that's for sure.

 
They don't have to. The TPP was doomed to fail because it left too many Americans behind....
Left wing media won't tell those details and truths to their listeners, not that they care.

You should figure out what it is, and what it does and the provisions it provides and the latitude established within its framework, and the opportunity it creates ... which it is evident that none of which you know anything about. If you did know anything about such variables, it is extremely likely that you would have chosen to remain silent, rather than push a comment that signifies the depth of lack of knowledge as to what the TPP is, and what it entails.
 
She prides herself as an elitist, that's for sure.



The dignity and integrity of this woman is far beyond what some as we see can even begin to comprehend.
 
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