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Trump Asserts He Can Force U.S. Companies to Leave China

He’s a complete boob. Republicans should be embarrassed.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Funny that none of that had dissuaded the Trump family business from continuing to capitalize on Chinese manufactured Trump brand merchandise. Guess Ivanka will have to toss away all those numerous trademark application approvals the Chinese government granted her last November now.
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Hell his 2020 campaign banners are made there.


There's a picture slide show here:


Trump flags: Made in China | Reuters.com
 
MTAtech said:
Please site when Obama 'ordered businesses around the world.' I have no memory of that happening.
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MTA, re-read his comments again.

He's saying: If Obama had ordered businesses around it would have spurred conservatives talk of a revolution, but this is a Repub POTUS, so.
 
BWG said:
MTA, re-read his comments again.

He's saying: If Obama had ordered businesses around it would have spurred conservatives talk of a revolution, but this is a Repub POTUS, so.
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Oh, my bad.
 
Mycroft said:
We've been through this before, remember? He doesn't need to use that tool yet. But that doesn't mean he can't use the tool when he's ready.
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Oh, so this is about what Trump needs then?
 
chuckiechan said:
He knows that. He is using the MSM media trolls to get the China problem in the forefront where it belongs. We need to disengage our supply chain from China. Industry can’t stand by and hope we are going to BOHICA when Trump is gone when he goes, and another weak president takes his place and continues to make unenforceable deals.

This is a permanent battle. Every dollar of Chinese surplus is invested in destroying the USA. Their stated national goal is to be the worlds manufacturer. Where does that leave us? We become a agricultural colony.
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Doesn't this seem to avoid the very fact that China had already owned most of the U.S.' debt before Trump drastically cut taxes and significantly increased government spending, thereby forcing the Treasury to offer more bonds to China?

Trump is not a strong President. He gives you that impression because he runs his mouth aggressively (after spending a life time affording to get away with it), blames others for his idiot decision-making, and takes credit where none is due. He has proven to be mostly (if not only) interested in catering to big business at America's expense. Our problem was never who is manufacturing. Capitalism, in which we preach as the essence of American being, will always favor that which costs less for the most labor. Why do you think "free labor" (slavery) mattered so much to the Old South and to European imports?

The natural course of improving American lives involves better pay and benefits so that we can all enjoy life's BS. This is just who we are and as time passed, Americans adapted and learned new skills. The factory worker, replaced by a robot, learned how to maintain and fix that robot. Unless Trump can convince Americans to work for less, he is not going to do a damn thing to force American companies back to America so that American laborers can find purpose again in their obsolete jobs. The coal miner must eventually learn how Photovoltaics work.

And the funny thing is that, as a business man, he must know this. He is merely relying on the absolute idiocy and simple-minded ignorance of his constituents to fall for -or at least pretend to fall for- this ideological line of BS. And from this stupidity, he hopes to be re-elected.
 
Zoupish said:
Oh, so this is about what Trump needs then?
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This is about Trump trying to deal with China.

Is that a problem for you?
 
exoplanet said:
People love authoritarianism so long as it aligns with their belief system. Obviously, Obama ordering businesses around would spur conservatives talk of a revolution, but this is a Repub POTUS, so...
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can you imagine if he had started a one man global trade war that included our friends and allies? FFS, instant impeachment and probably for real secession would have followed, IMO.
 
chuckiechan said:
He knows that. He is using the MSM media trolls to get the China problem in the forefront where it belongs. We need to disengage our supply chain from China. Industry can’t stand by and hope we are going to BOHICA when Trump is gone when he goes, and another weak president takes his place and continues to make unenforceable deals.

This is a permanent battle. Every dollar of Chinese surplus is invested in destroying the USA. Their stated national goal is to be the worlds manufacturer. Where does that leave us? We become an agricultural colony.
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Does Corporate American plan to pay people union wage to make things in the US because if they don't then Americans won't be able to afford the products that they create. henry Ford knew this when he p[aid above the standard for people to build his Model-A and Model T. You cannot destroy the middle class with union-busting "right to work" laws and other ideas and then expect them to get a proper post-12 grade education and buy American made products.

Where are Trump's own products and Ivanka's shoes made?
 
Mycroft said:
None of that negates the actions of the Chinese.

Or...would you rather Trump act like Biden and not work to resolve those issues and, instead, let them continue so that his son can get paid a billion dollars by China?
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So, when faced with this false dichotomy of "do nothing" and "make things worse" that you invented, you still somehow chose "make things worse."

Republicans. :roll:
 
Deuce said:
So, when faced with this false dichotomy of "do nothing" and "make things worse" that you invented, you still somehow chose "make things worse."

Republicans. :roll:
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LOL!!

No. I'll go with "make things better".

You can go with "hope for the worst".
 
exoplanet said:
People love authoritarianism so long as it aligns with their belief system. Obviously, Obama ordering businesses around would spur conservatives talk of a revolution, but this is a Repub POTUS, so...
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This is a general truth.

However, until recent years, I have always held Americans out as the exception to such a thing. This is where I found "American exceptionalism." I always thought that no matter what, because of the solid institution of representative democracy, we would always err on the side of democracy and nation over the idea that "what ever it takes" to win mattered more. Our history shows this. The political sides have actually unfortunately screwed entire peoples over (Compromise of 1877) just to be able to find a middle democratic ground in order to move the country forward. But now? It's purely about contradictory and hypocritical political team spirit, with only the deceptions and illusions that the country actually matters. Americans have proven in recent years to be no better than the rest.

Perhaps, and hopefully, we are just going through an historical hiccup in time where Americans are experiencing a technological money and media-driven confusion and a loss of individual and national identity.
 
chuckiechan said:
He knows that. He is using the MSM media trolls to get the China problem in the forefront where it belongs. We need to disengage our supply chain from China. Industry can’t stand by and hope we are going to BOHICA when Trump is gone when he goes, and another weak president takes his place and continues to make unenforceable deals.

This is a permanent battle. Every dollar of Chinese surplus is invested in destroying the USA. Their stated national goal is to be the worlds manufacturer. Where does that leave us? We become a agricultural colony.
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Ever heard of high quality machinery products and services? How about computer programs? There is more between producing simple products and being an agricultural colony. And weapons of course, the US sells it fair share of that too.

The problem is not with the Chinese producing, it is to do with the US/world consuming more and more Chinese stuff. And I am guilty of that too. My funds are limited and I can get the same stuff from China for a fraction of what I have to pay in the Netherlands at a local company.
 
Mycroft said:
Our economy IS doing great, but it will do better when that stuff stops.

Or do you think Trump shouldn't be working to end these corrupt actions by China?
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The question is whether or not it is an emergency that allows the POTUS authority over who can do business with China. Nothing you’ve described sounds like an emergency.
 
Mycroft said:
This is a national emergency and, like the illegal immigration national emergency, it has been allowed to go on for far too long.

Stealing intellectual property

Forced technology transfers

Dumping into our markets

Putting our companies out of business

Subsidizing Chinese businesses

Currency manipulation

Flooding our country with Fentanyl​

All of this has been going on...and has been ignored by previous administrations...for decades.
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And on top of that nastiness by the Chinese, the Russians have hacked into and tried to affect our elections. Only Trump can stop these two evil powers that stalk us.
 
exoplanet said:
The question is whether or not it is an emergency that allows the POTUS authority over who can do business with China. Nothing you’ve described sounds like an emergency.
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It's not your decision.
 
Nickyjo said:
And on top of that nastiness by the Chinese, the Russians have hacked into and tried to affect our elections. Only Trump can stop these two evil powers that stalk us.
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I don't know about that, but he's the only one doing anything about it even though he's getting a lot of opposition.
 
exoplanet said:
People love authoritarianism so long as it aligns with their belief system. Obviously, Obama ordering businesses around would spur conservatives talk of a revolution, but this is a Repub POTUS, so...
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Obama was a lead from behind type of guy. He was pretty limp when it came to protecting the US economy.
 
chuckiechan said:
He knows that. He is using the MSM media trolls to get the China problem in the forefront where it belongs. We need to disengage our supply chain from China. Industry can’t stand by and hope we are going to BOHICA when Trump is gone when he goes, and another weak president takes his place and continues to make unenforceable deals.

This is a permanent battle. Every dollar of Chinese surplus is invested in destroying the USA. Their stated national goal is to be the worlds manufacturer. Where does that leave us? We become a agricultural colony.
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I thought the "National Emergency" was immigration?

Seems to me, since TRump became President, everything has become a National Emergency.

China, N. Korea, Iran, Nato, TPP, Immigration.

And some things, like GLOBAL WARMING no longer are.

This guys needs to be removed from office. Now. Today.
 
Mycroft said:
This is about Trump trying to deal with China.

Is that a problem for you?
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Yeah, I don't always have a problem when a stupid man tries to do stupid things, but I do when they wield a lot of power. The reality is, if Trump was actually able, with the stroke of a pen, to cease all American corporate activity in China, it would rapidly create a deep recession, which is more traceable to a presidential action, than any before it in US history. At that point, I wouldn't just support his removal from office, I would hope he joins the exclusive club of US presidents who **** their pants in public.
 
It seems as if Trump got spooked by market reaction to his tariffs, started to back down, then got furious over reports that he was backing down and reversed course again.
Trump expresses regret about escalating China trade war, then reverses course and says he wishes he raised tariffs higher
IARRITZ, France — President Trump conceded regret Sunday morning about his escalating trade war with China before reversing course in the afternoon and saying he only wished he had raised the tariffs higher.
It was a head-spinning about-face after the president evinced rare second thoughts on a key issue, even as White House officials said his comments had been “misinterpreted.”
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I have to laugh at his supporters that backed him because he was so decisive. Because he literally doesn't know anything, he's persuaded by the last thing that happens or the last person he speaks to.
 
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