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Dow drops 350 points after Trump orders US companies to look for ‘alternative to China’

ocean515 said:
Of course she did. Just like the President does. But you also had the right to ignore the demand. You might suffer the consequences, but you still had that right.

The President didn't order companies out of China. He ordered them to start looking. So what does that mean? Nothing.

Yet here we are, once again, with the Trump haters losing their minds over something that doesn't mean anything.

If you want to play the "I predict" game, I think the President is going to have a couple of meetings with China and the G7, and within the next few months, announce that China has agreed to some stuff, and drop all the sanctions.

Guess what happens then? The Stock market explodes upwards, and the left is left in the dust, played like a fiddle once more.
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No he does not have the right to order companies like that. That's just theatre, just Trump playing to the crowd and everyone who isn't in his crowd knows it and shakes their heads.
China is already getting it done, getting soybeans from Brazil and looking at building a railway in South America specifically to make it more efficient to ship from there to China.

China-led rail project in South America may be back on, Peruvian president says | South China Morning Post

Hey, did you hear that your Dear Leader has already threatened to put tariffs on French wine?

Donald Trump threatens to tax French wine ‘like they’ve never seen before’ - National | Globalnews.ca

The guy's a loose cannon, a hazard to everyone on deck.
 
ocean515 said:
So the President can't suggest companies start looking?

And the President's edict do carry weight, so it's pretty silly to base your position on that false claim.
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He wasn't suggesting, he specifically used the word order, he's been spending too much time around Kim Jong Un.

But his edict does not carry any weight because the President does not have the power to order companies around like that. And companies have been looking outside of China for manufacturing for a little while now, places like India and Vietnam. Even the Chinese based manufacturing corporations are looking to open plants in places like S. Korea or Vietnam to get around the tariffs.
 
He’s an idiot. A total joke.

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Kushinator said:
He could have literally tweeted, "I suggest companies start looking elsewhere..." but he didn't. If you want to waste your time defending this nonsense, by all means.
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If you want to waste time trying to suggest there is a difference, by all means, go for it.
 
Grand Mal said:
No he does not have the right to order companies like that. That's just theatre, just Trump playing to the crowd and everyone who isn't in his crowd knows it and shakes their heads.
China is already getting it done, getting soybeans from Brazil and looking at building a railway in South America specifically to make it more efficient to ship from there to China.

China-led rail project in South America may be back on, Peruvian president says | South China Morning Post

Hey, did you hear that your Dear Leader has already threatened to put tariffs on French wine?

Donald Trump threatens to tax French wine ‘like they’ve never seen before’ - National | Globalnews.ca

The guy's a loose cannon, a hazard to everyone on deck.
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Of course he has that right. Define "start looking".

China is a danger to any Western economy. At some point, the chicken littles will have to wake up to that fact.

If you want your free stuff, your going to need someone to make some money to provide it.

Perhaps you're hoping China will be willing to do that for you?
 
Ikari said:
He wasn't suggesting, he specifically used the word order, he's been spending too much time around Kim Jong Un.

But his edict does not carry any weight because the President does not have the power to order companies around like that. And companies have been looking outside of China for manufacturing for a little while now, places like India and Vietnam. Even the Chinese based manufacturing corporations are looking to open plants in places like S. Korea or Vietnam to get around the tariffs.
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So what? I don't think companies have problems with the President telling them to start looking outside of China. They either will, or won't.

I do think the Trump haters can't grasp that, as the indoctrination has caused them to blow a gasket over everything the President says or does.

I don't understand why anyone would be willing to expend so much energy over nothing on a never ending basis.
 
ocean515 said:
Of course he has that right. Define "start looking".

China is a danger to any Western economy. At some point, the chicken littles will have to wake up to that fact.

If you want your free stuff, your going to need someone to make some money to provide it.

Perhaps you're hoping China will be willing to do that for you?
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China is an inevitability. You don't make China do anything. That's what you guys don't understand. You think Trump is making China be more fair and equitable in global trade but China doesn't care what you, me, or Trump wants. Just look at how they treat their own people and ask yourself how much they care what Americans want. To China, Trump has upset the apple cart, Trump has screwed up a system that was working good for them and they have to teach him to stop doing that.
And another thing you need to understand. China knows they're better able to endure a long seige than America is. Than the whole western world is, in fact. And when that happens people will remember how it started, who said trade wars were good and easy to win.
 
ocean515 said:
If you want to waste time trying to suggest there is a difference, by all means, go for it.
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There is a big difference. It's often not what you say but how you say it that matters.
 
Grand Mal said:
China is an inevitability. You don't make China do anything. That's what you guys don't understand. You think Trump is making China be more fair and equitable in global trade but China doesn't care what you, me, or Trump wants. Just look at how they treat their own people and ask yourself how much they care what Americans want. To China, Trump has upset the apple cart, Trump has screwed up a system that was working good for them and they have to teach him to stop doing that.
And another thing you need to understand. China knows they're better able to endure a long seige than America is. Than the whole western world is, in fact. And when that happens people will remember how it started, who said trade wars were good and easy to win.
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So China taking over the world is inevitable? Is that your position?
 
ocean515 said:
So China taking over the world is inevitable? Is that your position?
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Damn. That's a pretty good leap.
No, that's not what I mean. Look at it this way- America has had an economic hegenomy since WW2, has that meant that America ran the world? China is emerging as an economic powerhouse, maybe the driver in the global economy. They've been buying Africa one collective farm at a time, cutting the local politicians in on the profits. They're looking at a railroad from the coast of Brazil to the coast of Peru so stuff can be more efficiently shipped to China. And they can hunker down and outlast America if the trade dispute intensifies.
I know how you think this will all go down, you told me already but I'm more pessimistic. When the dust has settled, when a global downturn has cost the west trillions China will be in position. This that Trump is trying to do is the wrong tack.
 
Trump said:
Our great American companies are hereby ordered...
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ocean515 said:
Doesn't that carry about as much weight as when your mother told you to be home by 10pm?
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ocean515 said:
And the President's edict do carry weight, so it's pretty silly to base your position on that false claim.
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Might want to sort out what your position is before posting.
 
ocean515 said:
Only to those trained to demand there is a difference for political purposes.
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I disagree. You're being dishonest... have the last word.
 
ocean515 said:
So what? I don't think companies have problems with the President telling them to start looking outside of China. They either will, or won't.

I do think the Trump haters can't grasp that, as the indoctrination has caused them to blow a gasket over everything the President says or does.

I don't understand why anyone would be willing to expend so much energy over nothing on a never ending basis.
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Yup, nothing but the President trying to order companies to obey his commands. lol

Thought y'all hated "socialism".

And every rational and intelligent individual knows that had Obama said this exact thing, y'all would be losing your minds at this point.
 
Grand Mal said:
Damn. That's a pretty good leap.
No, that's not what I mean. Look at it this way- America has had an economic hegenomy since WW2, has that meant that America ran the world? China is emerging as an economic powerhouse, maybe the driver in the global economy. They've been buying Africa one collective farm at a time, cutting the local politicians in on the profits. They're looking at a railroad from the coast of Brazil to the coast of Peru so stuff can be more efficiently shipped to China. And they can hunker down and outlast America if the trade dispute intensifies.
I know how you think this will all go down, you told me already but I'm more pessimistic. When the dust has settled, when a global downturn has cost the west trillions China will be in position. This that Trump is trying to do is the wrong tack.
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It is not unreasonable, nor is it inappropriate, to take action against a country that is harming other countries through egregious violations of international law.

China depends on the rest of the World to fuel it's economic activity. If the rest of the World, led by the United States, takes on China and forces it's hand, the issue can be dealt with.

If not, it won't be the ramifications would be dire.
 
Greenbeard said:
Might want to sort out what your position is before posting.
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Might want to know what you are dealing with before posting.

The President's has much power and weight. Declaring emergencies, etc., is evidence of that power. That fact is indisputable.

In this case, telling businesses to start looking, means very little.

What does "start looking" mean? What does it look like? How could one tell if a company has started looking, or not?

Since the answer to those questions is obvious, it's clear the declaration by the President means nothing.

Of course, to the infected on the left, it's just another dictatorial decree.

Just be aware, not everyone is so impaired.
 
Ikari said:
Yup, nothing but the President trying to order companies to obey his commands. lol

Thought y'all hated "socialism".

And every rational and intelligent individual knows that had Obama said this exact thing, y'all would be losing your minds at this point.
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You're demonstrating how easy it is for the liberal media and the propaganda ministries on the left, to control what their target audience is required to think.
 
ocean515 said:
You're demonstrating how easy it is for the liberal media and the propaganda ministries on the left, to control what their target audience is required to think.
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Are you suggesting that the reports that Trump order companies to leave China was just made up by the news media? He literally Tweeted it!

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and then doubled-down with this:


We'll see how the markets react on Monday after this.
 

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ocean515 said:
You're demonstrating how easy it is for the liberal media and the propaganda ministries on the left, to control what their target audience is required to think.
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lol

You're demonstrating how badly TDS affects Trumpeteers and makes them defend everything, even when he tries to order US companies out of China.
 
Napoleon said:
Only a very small amount. China still owns over $1 trillion in bonds that could be weaponized.
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SIAP. How is China going to weaponize dumping trillions in American bonds if American bonds could become worthless if China weaponizes the dumping of American bonds?
 
Ikari said:
lol

You're demonstrating how badly TDS affects Trumpeteers and makes them defend everything, even when he tries to order US companies out of China.
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I'll be tough. I wonder, should the Green New Deal, for example, be abandoned because that'll be tough, too?
 
cabse5 said:
I'll be tough. I wonder, should the Green New Deal, for example, be abandoned because that'll be tough, too?
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I don't think you are being tough enough. The difference is that the Green New Deal is a carefully thought out outline of what climate policy should look like. In contrast, Trump's trade policy is completely incoherent. While though-out stable protectionist policies makes an economy inefficient, it doesn't necessarily make it depressed. Trump's policies are depressing the economy on a whim. Those whims depend on what he saw on TV a few minutes ago. So, what businesses are going to spend billions shifting manufacturing locations based on policy that can change during a commercial?
 
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MTAtech said:
I don't think you are being tough enough. The difference is that the Green New Deal is a carefully thought out outline of what climate policy should look like. In contrast, Trump's trade policy is completely incoherent.
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How is the Green New Deal coherent or even based in fact? Why are Trump's plans to disregard Chinese trade incoherent?
 
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