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[W:257] David Koch Has Died

Obscurity

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I can't wait for all the warm remarks sure to show who is compassionate.It will be very telling.
 
Lovebug said:
I can't wait for all the warm remarks sure to show who is compassionate.It will be very telling.
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I do not parse words for the dead when they pass on. I said the same about Jerry Falwell when he died. I do not understand nor support hollow words of compassion and praise for evil people on their passing.

The Koch brothers have systemically destroyed environments, have proliferated anti-worker anti-union hysteria, and have completely undermined US Politics, Just like Jerry Falwell did.

In fact, I remember the outrage of people when the obituary of the Dayton shooter was released saying kind things about the shooter.

I find it utterly grotesque to douse the dead in praise if in life they were evil, wicked people.
 
Well, I hope he packed some shorts.
 
nota bene said:
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, Obscurity.
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One day it shall toll for me. But today it has tolled for a massive industrialist who destroyed natural environments in the pursuit of profit, took ownership of that which he was not entitled to own, and undermined the political process to the point of absurdity.
 
The Koch Brothers were among the few mega-donors who didn't back Trump in 2016, and who continued to oppose Trump and the damage he was doing to the party they supported for many years. For that I appreciated David Koch.

May he rest in peace.
 
Obscurity said:
Billionaire industrialist and conservative mega-donor David Koch has died at age 79, according to New Yorker reporter
Seems one of the GOP's mega donors has bit the bullet. Good riddance, I say, to industrialists like him who poison the water, the air, destroy natural resources, and infect our politics with vile extremist ideologies.
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... and just as they were starting to support the democrats ...

Koch network open to Democrats as expands political engagement
 
tres borrachos said:
The Koch Brothers were among the few mega-donors who didn't back Trump in 2016, and who continued to oppose Trump and the damage he was doing to the party they supported for many years. For that I appreciated David Koch.

May he rest in peace.
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If you understood how much the Koch Brothers undermined the republican party and bankrolled moves to far right extremist libertarianism fringing upon paleo-conservative Darwinism, you would be speaking differently.

He opposed Trump. This is true. But the unrelenting tide of money him and his brother sent to evil ideas and evil ideologies is unforgivable.
 
Obscurity said:
Billionaire industrialist and conservative mega-donor David Koch has died at age 79, according to New Yorker reporter

Seems one of the GOP's mega donors has bit the bullet. Good riddance, I say, to industrialists like him who poison the water, the air, destroy natural resources, and infect our politics with vile extremist ideologies.
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So when George Soros and RGB finally leave this world we can dance on their graves because they were vile, wicked people who used their money/power in this life to do terrible things?
 
Obscurity said:
If you understood how much the Koch Brothers undermined the republican party and bankrolled moves to far right extremist libertarianism fringing upon paleo-conservative Darwinism, you would be speaking differently.

He opposed Trump. This is true. But the unrelenting tide of money him and his brother sent to evil ideas and evil ideologies is unforgivable.
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I know who the Kochs donated to. I knew who they were all those years I supported the GOP and volunteered on presidential campaigns. No, I wouldn't speak differently than what I just said.
 
digsbe said:
So when George Soros and RGB finally leave this world we can dance on their graves because they were vile, wicked people who used their money/power in this life to do terrible things?
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I do not see any streams, forests, or mountains that RGB herself despoiled in the quest for obscene profits, but I can point out to you plenty of instances of the Koch brothers doing just that.

I find this fascination with civility on death in this country so boring. Civility is underrated when the stakes are as high as they are with the political games the Koch brothers played. They knew the stakes, they knew their roles. They embraced those roles wholeheartedly.
 
nota bene said:
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, Obscurity.
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Charles Koch is known for his donations to right wing groups, especially climate change deniers. So had David Koch but he had been also a substantial benefactor for medical research, the arts and other estimable causes.

From Wiki:


David H. Koch Charitable Foundation

David H. Koch established the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation.[32] The David H. Koch Charitable Foundation has funded cancer research and a number of arts and science organizations, including the American Ballet Theatre, New York City Ballet, Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the American Museum of Natural History.[1][32] An open letter to museums from 36 members of the scientific community demanded that the Smithsonian and other museums cut any ties with the Kochs, because of worries that they would remove information on climate change. The Smithsonian countered by stating both exhibits in question did examine in great detail the impacts of climate change. The Koch Foundation responded they "have pledged or contributed more than $1.2 billion dollars to educational institutions and cultural institutions, cancer research, medical centers, and to assist public policy organizations."[33]

David Koch donated $35 million in 2012 to the Smithsonian's Natural History Museum and $20 million to the American Museum of Natural History in New York City.[34] Joe Romm of ThinkProgress stated "David Koch did not personally intervene to affect the exhibit".[35] David Koch is a member of the board of trustees of the American Museum of Natural History in New York and the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History in Washington.[33]

The David H. Koch Charitable Foundation is a significant funder of Americans for Prosperity,[36] a libertarian/conservative political advocacy group. David H. Koch chairs the board of directors of the associated AFP Foundation.[37]
 
tres borrachos said:
I know who the Kochs donated to. I knew who they were all those years I supported the GOP and volunteered on presidential campaigns. No, I wouldn't speak differently than what I just said.
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So you support the economic Darwinism the Koch brothers promoted? Sad. The Koch brothers fought for everyone else's lives to be more difficult when we all know there is no need for that in the richest nation on earth.

I for one do not support billionaire money in politics. I am unsure why any of you would.
 
Obscurity said:
So you support the economic Darwinism the Koch brothers promoted? Sad. The Koch brothers fought for everyone else's lives to be more difficult when we all know there is no need for that in the richest nation on earth.

I for one do not support billionaire money in politics. I am unsure why any of you would.
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This thread is about Koch passing. I posted my opinion on his passing.

I am not saying anything about money in politics. There are many other threads where I can do that.
 
Obscurity said:
I do not see any streams, forests, or mountains that RGB herself despoiled in the quest for obscene profits, but I can point out to you plenty of instances of the Koch brothers doing just that.

I find this fascination with civility on death in this country so boring. Civility is underrated when the stakes are as high as they are with the political games the Koch brothers played. They knew the stakes, they knew their roles. They embraced those roles wholeheartedly.
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Well, to many they see RGB as having the blood of millions on her hands with her support of abortion and being on the SCOTUS. Should pro-life people praise her demise when she dies because they believe the things she supported were some of the most evil positions within our country?

See, people tend to treat death with civility out of respect for those who are mourning. It's a basic human decency that when someone dies we try to not speak ill of the dead out of respect for those who are currently mourning their passing. It's about respecting those still living that are going through a personally dark time, not so much trying to not offend someone who is now dead and thus can't be offended.
 
tres borrachos said:
This thread is about Koch passing. I posted my opinion on his passing.

I am not saying anything about money in politics. There are many other threads where I can do that.
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His legacy and death are intrinsically tied to his philosophical and political leanings, as he wanted it to be. He is honored by discussing those things freely; he is not honored by people heaping praise on him just for him having the audacity to up and die.
 
Some of you people just totally suck as human beings. Has nobody ever taught you that if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all? When you express disrespect for someone no longer able to defend themselves then act as a bully and a brat. When you do so for political purposes you come off as a pathetic hack.

There are threads in this forum that just flat out make me ashamed to participate here and this is one of them.
 
digsbe said:
Well, to many they see RGB as having the blood of millions on her hands with her support of abortion and being on the SCOTUS. Should pro-life people praise her demise when she dies because they believe the things she supported were some of the most evil positions within our country?
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Pro life people are open to discuss her legacy at her passing as they see fit. I don't see that as "dancing on graves". I see it as being honest with who you are.

digsbe said:
See, people tend to treat death with civility out of respect for those who are mourning. It's a basic human decency that when someone dies we try to not speak ill of the dead out of respect for those who are currently mourning their passing. It's about respecting those still living that are going through a personally dark time, not so much trying to not offend someone who is now dead and thus can't be offended.
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Being offended is not an argument, so I fail to see why I should be bothered by Charles Koch, with whom I disagree on basically everything, being upset. David was a human being but a flawed human being that caused untold torment and caused untold discomfort, destroyed natural environments in the pursuit of profits, and openly supported politicians who would marginalize and undermine minorities in this country. They are part of a dying legacy of social conservatism.
 
Obscurity said:
Seems one of the GOP's mega donors has bit the bullet. Good riddance, I say, to industrialists like him who poison the water, the air, destroy natural resources, and infect our politics with vile extremist ideologies.
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It's sad, but this is kind of how I feel about all the baby boomers that vote Trump. My uncle died last year and I remember thinking, oh well. One less Trump voter. The baby boomer generation is going to go down in history as the Worst Generation of Americans. It's kind of sad how many of them will likely go to their grave with their children and grandchildren losing all respect for them because of Trump and their horrible political views.
 
Lutherf said:
Some of you people just totally suck as human beings. Has nobody ever taught you that if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all? When you express disrespect for someone no longer able to defend themselves then act as a bully and a brat. When you do so for political purposes you come off as a pathetic hack.

There are threads in this forum that just flat out make me ashamed to participate here and this is one of them.
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So you expect me to lie about my feelings of Mr. Koch and his legacy?

I will not entertain you.
 
Rest in peace.
 
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